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On December 10 2011 02:08 SKYFISH_ wrote:
seems to me stephano won that game EZ .....forGG is hardly the unstoppable pro TLers have been hyping up for the past month
LOL i'm not biased but anyone can see that fOrGG harass was being really irritating to stephano and he had a big window to attack (before ultras) that he totally screwed up since fOrGG has no idea on how to play past 2 base.
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On December 10 2011 01:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:42 Art.FeeL wrote:On December 10 2011 01:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:
God... how do people watch him.
I know he is good, but fucking jeez, he does hellion banshee or thor timings every game... He is...practicing? By being predictable?
If you aren't familiar with how the BW players practiced back in the day then perhaps I should help you. They would practice one cookie cutter build until they knew it like the back of their hand. From there they would expand on it based off what they see.
What FOrGG is doing is no different than your boy toy IdrA. Predictable yes, but he'll branch out. It's the BW method.
Some people and their double standards. Fuck.
On December 10 2011 02:08 SKYFISH_ wrote:
seems to me stephano won that game EZ .....forGG is hardly the unstoppable pro TLers have been hyping up for the past month
I watched a lot of FOrGG the other day and he was steamrolling pro's left and right. Just woke up so I missed the stephano match, but he did sweep IdrA 4-0 and beat guys like Top too. You cannot make judgements off one game, but a whole slue of them sure.
We're very fortunate to get to watch him stream on ladder, so we can actually get a chance to see how good he can actually be. From what I've seen he's well on his way.
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all I saw was forGG mining out his main and losing the game as soon as stephano remembered to make units other than lings
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On December 10 2011 02:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:
all I saw was forGG mining out his main and losing the game as soon as stephano remembered to make units other than lings
Stephano was down 30 supply most of the game, but forgg waited too long. In fact though, stephano's style of mass ling and 3-5 queens is pretty good against the early harass but forgg still managed to do damage.
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is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
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On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Everyone stated he made mistakes that game. Its a ladder game. Whats your point?
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On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Or Stephano is an incredibly talented young gamer as we all know.
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On December 10 2011 02:26 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Everyone stated he made mistakes that game. Its a ladder game. Whats your point?
I think he's trying to counter the extreme fOrGG hype that's been spreading the last week or so. It's the endless circle of hype/atihype that surrounds every player.
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On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
no one is going to stream "for real" games.
ogs has a stable of some of the best practice partners in the world. the real practice happens behind closed doors. i'm afraid you're going to see stupid, one-dimensional builds from him. at least, until gsl comes about.
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On December 10 2011 02:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:26 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Everyone stated he made mistakes that game. Its a ladder game. Whats your point? I think he's trying to counter the extreme fOrGG hype that's been spreading the last week or so. It's the endless circle of hype/atihype that surrounds every player.
I suppose but you have to be blind to not recognise the insane mechanics that fOrGG is displaying?
Obviously fOrGG is lacking in the decision making department.
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i acknowledge that forgg is being way too hyped right now, but seriously..
he's laddering and streaming, who honestly thinks he's giving half a shit? he's doing the same exact builds over and over and simply keeping mechanics sharp, the fact that almost everyone loses to this shit nonstop is lolworthy
no point giving credit or taking away credit from whatever is going on, but if anyone thinks a korean pro is gonna showcase how he really plays/other strats to the world, especially know that he's in code s...
no, just no.
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On December 10 2011 02:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 01:42 Art.FeeL wrote:On December 10 2011 01:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:
God... how do people watch him.
I know he is good, but fucking jeez, he does hellion banshee or thor timings every game... He is...practicing? By being predictable? If you aren't familiar with how the BW players practiced back in the day then perhaps I should help you. They would practice one cookie cutter build until they knew it like the back of their hand. From there they would expand on it based off what they see. What FOrGG is doing is no different than your boy toy IdrA. Predictable yes, but he'll branch out. It's the BW method. Some people and their double standards. Fuck. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:08 SKYFISH_ wrote:
seems to me stephano won that game EZ .....forGG is hardly the unstoppable pro TLers have been hyping up for the past month
I watched a lot of FOrGG the other day and he was steamrolling pro's left and right. Just woke up so I missed the stephano match, but he did sweep IdrA 4-0 and beat guys like Top too. You cannot make judgements off one game, but a whole slue of them sure. We're very fortunate to get to watch him stream on ladder, so we can actually get a chance to see how good he can actually be. From what I've seen he's well on his way.
May I add that he was playing a TvZ on cross pos metalopolis. You aren't really supposed to win here as terran, as much as you aren't supposed to win ZvT on xel'naga.
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On December 10 2011 02:32 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:29 karpo wrote:On December 10 2011 02:26 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Everyone stated he made mistakes that game. Its a ladder game. Whats your point? I think he's trying to counter the extreme fOrGG hype that's been spreading the last week or so. It's the endless circle of hype/atihype that surrounds every player. I suppose but you have to be blind to not recognise the insane mechanics that fOrGG is displaying? Obviously fOrGG is lacking in the decision making department.
Yeah, I don't get these people saying he's trying the same build and that it won't work against someone who knows it's coming.
No shit? You think helion drop and banshee harass is gonna work against someone who knows it's coming? These are just builds he's trying out and nothing more.
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On December 10 2011 02:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming. That's very smart. 
Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming, only when his winning. Like the hype Stephano, Hero had. When they lose it's just practice. Double standard all the way.
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On December 10 2011 02:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:32 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 02:29 karpo wrote:On December 10 2011 02:26 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 02:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
is this where we come to the conclusion that Zerg is hilariously OP or could we simply accept for once that our fabled BROODWAR PRO HOMYGAWD made a crapload of mistakes and played a pretty shitty game overall?
Everyone stated he made mistakes that game. Its a ladder game. Whats your point? I think he's trying to counter the extreme fOrGG hype that's been spreading the last week or so. It's the endless circle of hype/atihype that surrounds every player. I suppose but you have to be blind to not recognise the insane mechanics that fOrGG is displaying? Obviously fOrGG is lacking in the decision making department. Yeah, I don't get these people saying he's trying the same build and that it won't work against someone who knows it's coming. No shit? You think helion drop and banshee harass is gonna work against someone who knows it's coming? These are just builds he's trying out and nothing more.
To be more specific he's working on his mechanics on ladder with the hellion/banshee micro.
The builds he is doing are great for practicing that.
FOrGG is a fineness player. He doesn't make as many clicks as some Terrans, but he has really good precision.
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On December 10 2011 02:42 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming. That's very smart. Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming, only when his winning. Like the hype Stephano, Hero had. When they lose it's just practice. Double standard all the way.
unfortunately for your argument he has also cleaned house in code A 6-0 against 3 strong opponents, something which the other two people you mentioned have never done.
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On December 10 2011 02:42 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming. That's very smart. Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming, only when his winning. Like the hype Stephano, Hero had. When they lose it's just practice. Double standard all the way.
People are judging him based on what they can see like mechanics, micro, and multitasking.
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On December 10 2011 02:33 kineticSYN wrote:
i acknowledge that forgg is being way too hyped right now, but seriously..
he's laddering and streaming, who honestly thinks he's giving half a shit? he's doing the same exact builds over and over and simply keeping mechanics sharp, the fact that almost everyone loses to this shit nonstop is lolworthy
no point giving credit or taking away credit from whatever is going on, but if anyone thinks a korean pro is gonna showcase how he really plays/other strats to the world, especially know that he's in code s...
no, just no.
Look what he is doing against Zergs is basically what he done against July so no he is not hiding his builds.
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On December 10 2011 02:46 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:42 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 02:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming. That's very smart. Yeah, judge a player by what he does on ladder, while streaming, only when his winning. Like the hype Stephano, Hero had. When they lose it's just practice. Double standard all the way. unfortunately for your argument he has also cleaned house in code A 6-0 against 3 strong opponents, something which the other two people you mentioned have never done.
Unfortunately that's not the point. The idea is that some people hype players when they want to but the same principle does not apply when they don't like it. And btw, by your argument do you imply that forGG must be better than Stephano or HerO? That is kinda superficial isn't it?
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losing doesnt mean ur a bad player
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