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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:28 JayJay_90 wrote: The patch seems pretty good imo, but i think Zerg might not have been nerfed enough and especially ZvP is probably imbalanced. Also 1-1-1 allin TvP hasn't been touched  .Huh? What? Zerg op? Damn I'm in some alternative reality | ||
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phrenzy
United Kingdom478 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:28 escruting wrote: Maybe now that they gave some love to the Tier 3 of Zerg, maybe (and i say maybe) we can see a buff for the carriers. Are you serious lol. The build time of the ultralisk is the only buff to tier 3. And last time i checked they weren't so good against terran (marines, marauders ...pick your unit) or protoss (almost every unit toss has does plus bonus damage to armored) If your saying well yeah but if you have 8 or 9 of them.... then i would say that your are either playing really bad or have a massive lead if you can afford that many ultras. | ||
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Gesperrt
Germany417 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:32 Macpo wrote: it enables zerg to fast expand a bit more safely vs 2 rax. I think that paradoxically it may encourage 2 rax play indirectly, as it will encourage zerg fast expand play, against which 2rax is perfectly viable... 2 rax doesn't kill zergs anymore, but it can cripple them if they overreact. It is just a good trick toi have. The barracks change is probably Blizzard doing small things to the game. It won't change anything at all. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:23 ProxySilmaril wrote: Patch seems ok, but the Infestor problem isn`t solved, it gets more worse! For example, if protoss has a army of Voids+colossus+stalker without blink and the Zerg has Infestor+mass ling + broodlords, then it is a def loss for Protoss, when he get fungaled. The Voids will be down even faster and the stalker couldnt come to the broods, also with blink they couldnt, because of fungal! so after voids are down, the broods have free way!!!! So solution for Infestor would be: - fungal should only slow - fungal have to cost more energie (is justiefied, because blink needs more time anyway) - and maybe remove pathogen glands Sorry, but your wordy analysis is completely moronic. I'm not claiming that the infestor is balanced, OP, or UP. All I'm saying is that you're portraying yourself as a biased noob who plays in like low masters or something and is laying down the assertion-hammer. | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:29 proot wrote: The terran nerfs simply feel like poorly thought out knee jerk reactions. The barracks one in particular seems really weird because, before this, the rax finished right as the 15th scv finished for an orbital. Now it'll be some strange timing where the 16th scv is halfway done, or you have a delayed scv for a faster orbital. Zealot proxys are going to be very micro intensive to deal with, seeing you'll have one marine vs the zealot when it hits. I simply can't find a good reason for this change. BFH is fine...I guess? There's no real point in getting the blue flame now unless you want to roast lings, but it'll be more practical to just gain map control via red flames. They could have approached it another way by compensating on the price at least. As for the immortal change, that'll just bring back the ridiculous 3/4 gate robo pressures that were around in the beta where immortals took less time to build, considering range has much bigger balance implications. I really can't see it lasting too long even if it does make it through. 11-11 is too strong, I believe that is why the barracks will take longer. And no, blue flame was just too strong vs worker lines in all matchups. And I don't think the immortal change is huge at all, immortals are still preety bad. I think you're being a bit too 'knne jerk' yourself, youre being biast. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:11 Zdrastochye wrote: I have no idea why people don't understand the rax changes. Terran is winning in both ZvT and ZvP, if it means one less win in 1000 games played it's helping to realign the balance between races. Nobody wins in ZvP | ||
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Roofies811
Italy17 Posts
I think that nerfing hellions is not a bad idea, but that nerf is just stupid. With the old blue flame hellion you just needed 2 hellions to one-shot drones. Now, with this nerf, you need 3. The thing is that even 3 red flame hellion one-shot drones, so why should I spend 150 150 and research blue flame? To one-shot ling with 2 hellions instead of 3? No thanks, not worth the cost at all, just remove the blue flame at this point, it became useless just like reapers. | ||
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Playerone111
39 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:36 arbitrageur wrote: No. What you said is factually incorrect. idd, 2 rax is very strong agressive opening, if zerg is not careful he may lose game instantly, with terran losing only mining time with 3-4 scvs MAX, if terran sees that for example zerg went for osme kind of 14/14 pool/gas he can easily take an expansion, this build would be my very favourite if i was playing terran /E The immortal change is more about immortals being stuck behind stalkers, how many times have you seen your immortal struggling to get into fight, but he'd rather dance behind wall of stalkers, we can see that often times even on really high high level, even code a/s tbh | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:29 proot wrote: There's no real point in getting the blue flame now unless you want to roast lings, but it'll be more practical to just gain map control via red flames. They could have approached it another way by compensating on the price at least. this. just make is hellions 75/25 and the upgrade 200/200 und everyone would be happy. no need to make everything less powerful, it makes the game less exiting, from a spectator view | ||
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GGPope
Australia367 Posts
The warp prism is ridiculously good already; I think this buff will encourage people to use it and then it may need a portion of its fragility returned considering it's so freaking fast. I think Fungal Growth is still too much of just a DPS ability, it's a shame what its turned into, but this slight nerf is probably deserved. Ramp change is good, barracks change is questionable; I think the terran early-game was already nerfed half to death with reaper rushes and the supply depot change so this addition of five seconds is just making early-game vs terran safer and safer, which is an interesting design choice. Really it's mostly good stuff, good patch in general even though I don't really understand the barracks/blink change.. Looking forward to see some more Raven and Prism use | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:34 Cosmos wrote: Barracks build time is SUCH A JOKE... -Xel'naga cavern -pylon on lwoground -double gate on highground -profit. Scout, take 4 workers, destroy pylon, Protoss lost 100 minerals and supply. | ||
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Hristiyan
99 Posts
When will be the next State of the game ? I want to see idra comment on the blaance changes | ||
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untilMay
Korea (South)190 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
anno august 2011 blizzard does make small changes: haha wtf is this good for, it won't change ANYTHING | ||
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Playerone111
39 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:40 Hristiyan wrote: When will be the next State of the game ? I want to see idra comment ot his. qq infestor nerf qq protoss buff qq terran hidden buff | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:39 TERRANLOL wrote: Lol. I think that's just wrong. I'm sure they made it 30% because it wouldn't round to a number. 30% was because it probably scaled based on unit health No? What are you talking about? | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
-->first, voids go down faster becuase they are armored http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray (Infestor Fungal Growth damage changed from 36 (+30% armored) to 30 (40 vs Armored).) --> second blink wouldnt help because of fungal what ? 36 + 30% = 46,8 patch : 40vs Armored | ||
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