EPTAlso 1-1-1 allin TvP hasn't been touched
.Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 104
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
Also 1-1-1 allin TvP hasn't been touched . | ||
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Nocteo
Belgium799 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:22 phrenzy wrote: So it will take 4 fungals to kill a viking now? Great :/ Which is fine really, instead make a couple of corruptors to protect broodlords. | ||
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proot
United States126 Posts
BFH is fine...I guess? There's no real point in getting the blue flame now unless you want to roast lings, but it'll be more practical to just gain map control via red flames. They could have approached it another way by compensating on the price at least. As for the immortal change, that'll just bring back the ridiculous 3/4 gate robo pressures that were around in the beta where immortals took less time to build, considering range has much bigger balance implications. I really can't see it lasting too long even if it does make it through. | ||
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emsy
Australia34 Posts
Also loving the Bnet privacy changes. I suppose the ultra decrease in time is to compensate for the infestor changes. But infestors still do substancial damage... | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:29 proot wrote: The terran nerfs simply feel like poorly thought out knee jerk reactions. The barracks one in particular seems really weird because, before this, the rax finished right as the 15th scv finished for an orbital. Bohoo cry me a river, protoss has to cut probes to get a 9 pylon right at the beginning of the game. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:23 ProxySilmaril wrote: Patch seems ok, but the Infestor problem isn`t solved, it gets more worse! For example, if protoss has a army of Voids+colossus+stalker without blink and the Zerg has Infestor+mass ling + broodlords, then it is a def loss for Protoss, when he get fungaled. The Voids will be down even faster and the stalker couldnt come to the broods, also with blink they couldnt, because of fungal! so after voids are down, the broods have free way!!!! So solution for Infestor would be: - fungal should only slow - fungal have to cost more energie (is justiefied, because blink needs more time anyway) - and maybe remove pathogen glands Nothing you said makes sense (and I'm a protoss player). Why would it be worse? Fungal is weaker now, voids will not be down faster. And why would you not research blink for the late game now? If the zerg has brood lords (which usually come late late late game), you had plenty of time to research blink. Again, nothing you just said makes any sense at all. On August 25 2011 18:29 proot wrote: The terran nerfs simply feel like poorly thought out knee jerk reactions. The barracks one in particular seems really weird because, before this, the rax finished right as the 15th scv finished for an orbital. Now it'll be some strange timing where the 16th scv is halfway done, or you have a delayed scv for a faster orbital. Zealot proxys are going to be very micro intensive to deal with, seeing you'll have one marine vs the zealot when it hits. I simply can't find a good reason for this change. you know you can just wallin, right? that kinda negates zealot pressure. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:15 ondik wrote: As a protoss I like the immortal range buff, wp should have been buffed long time ago, as for mothership, I don't think people will use it more. However, how is this patch supposed to deal with 1-1-1 what is the main issue right now? Is range buff and 5s longer rax build time really enough? Some players started countering it with blink stalkers, what's not much possible with 30s longer research time. Protoss got tools. Now it's Protoss's job to make them work. Notably, Robo is now a lot better at early pressure against a walled-in Terran... On August 25 2011 18:27 sleepingdog wrote: I don't really know why we are discussing this, but you should be able to macro while being in a battle. The protoss can not because this would require him to leave the screen. Even with the insta-warp, terrans shouldn't be "too" far behind. Terran can also 'overmax' beforehand by replacing some SCVs with OCs. Every race has useful tricks. | ||
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Macpo
453 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:16 Girondelle wrote: I dont understand the reasoning behind the barrack building time increased it enables zerg to fast expand a bit more safely vs 2 rax. I think that paradoxically it may encourage 2 rax play indirectly, as it will encourage zerg fast expand play, against which 2rax is perfectly viable... | ||
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SamsLiST
Germany184 Posts
I go freeze myself for 2 weeks now,...cya | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:32 Macpo wrote: it enables zerg to fast expand a bit more safely vs 2 rax. I think that paradoxically it may encourage 2 rax play indirectly, as it will encourage zerg fast expand play, against which 2rax is perfectly viable... 2rax vs a fast expanding zerg is not working. Good zergs just piss on it. | ||
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Glacial
United Kingdom124 Posts
Just wouldn't want PvP to be dominated by Collossi wars with robo tech looking so much safer now. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
-Xel'naga cavern -pylon on lwoground -double gate on highground -profit. | ||
Speight
Australia152 Posts
Consider the game fixed. | ||
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Playerone111
39 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:33 Snowbear wrote: 2rax vs a fast expanding zerg is not working. Good zergs just piss on it. Like Nestea yday  ? | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
Also confused about the rax change.. TvP against proxy will be silly hard to defend. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Like every high master Z | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I was suggested making it 60 shields. I think 100 shields is too much. | ||
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
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ProxySilmaril
81 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 25 2011 18:23 ProxySilmaril wrote: Patch seems ok, but the Infestor problem isn`t solved, it gets more worse! For example, if protoss has a army of Voids+colossus+stalker without blink and the Zerg has Infestor+mass ling + broodlords, then it is a def loss for Protoss, when he get fungaled. The Voids will be down even faster and the stalker couldnt come to the broods, also with blink they couldnt, because of fungal! so after voids are down, the broods have free way!!!! So solution for Infestor would be: - fungal should only slow - fungal have to cost more energie (is justiefied, because blink needs more time anyway) - and maybe remove pathogen glands[/QUOTE] Nothing you said makes sense (and I'm a protoss player). Why would it be worse? Fungal is weaker now, voids will not be down faster. And why would you not research blink for the late game now? If the zerg has brood lords (which usually come late late late game), you had plenty of time to research blink. Again, nothing you just said makes any sense at all. [QUOTE]On August 25 2011 18:29 proot wrote: -->first, voids go down faster becuase they are armored [url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray[/url] (Infestor Fungal Growth damage changed from 36 (+30% armored) to 30 (40 vs Armored).) --> second blink wouldnt help because of fungal | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:33 Snowbear wrote: 2rax vs a fast expanding zerg is not working. Good zergs just piss on it. No. What you said is factually incorrect. | ||
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