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Source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/mlg-vs-kespa-broadcast-starts-thursday-6397197
GameSpot eSports has obtained information that says ESF teams and players have declined their invites to the MLG-KeSPA MvP Invitational. All six Korean players invited, among them Jang "MC" Min Chul, Fnatic's Han "aLive" Lee Seok, and Lee "PuMa" Ho Joon, are signed to western teams SK Gaming, Fnatic, and Evil Geniuses, respectively. Incredible Miracle's Hwang "LosirA" Kang Ho and Prime's Lee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon are said to have turned down invites.
“It was most likely because the ESF teams only got 8 invites and KESPA got 24”, FXOpen eSports Director Joshua Dentrinos told GameSpot, one of the teams part of the ESF. “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
Scarlett has also told GameSpot she will be dropping out due to lag issues with playing on the Korean server. More info at the jump.
Mod edit: FXO comments,
On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote:
Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
Just to be super clear, No the ESF did not force Leenock to not play in the event, it was entirely his decision, I cannot speak for other players as I do not speak to them on a daily basis.
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Was PPV one of the issues?
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an online-cross server-lacklustre tournament Hosted by Axslav and Axeltoss with PPV. no thanks
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Interesting, but considering that players from outside KESPA had a lot of opportunities to play, it makes sense to me that there is more invites for KESPA players.
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I definitely can see why ESF would do this. Its a slap in the face.
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mixed feelings, but meh cba to pay for the thing anyway
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“It was most likely because the ESF teams only got 8 invites and KESPA got 24”, FXOpen eSports Director Joshua Dentrinos told GameSpot, one of the teams part of the ESF. “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
"We've got some really amazing players in the MvP Invitational”, MLG SVP of eSports Strategy Lee Chen told GameSpot. “I don't have any specifics to share about why eSF won't be participating int he tournament, but we're obviously fans of their teams and players and look forward to seeing them at future tournaments.” The ESF players are currently playing in MLG's regular Fall invite-only Online qualifiers.
So no one knows and we're just guessing, could be because of lack of invites [that's really it for the article].
edit: On September 27 2012 04:04 FXOUnstable wrote:
I am 99.9% surethat this comment was not meant as a statement because I was sitting next to fxoboss when he was talking about it and he specifically said to me "why does he keep asking me to go on the record when I don't know the whole story.
It's 3am at the moment and I txt'd boss but i will have to wait for confirmation.
Regardless, players are allowed to decline a tournament whenever they want. It is not up to anyone else other than players if they accept or not.
Players decline the FXO invitational all the time, their reasons are none of anybodies business but their own.
FXO declined an invite into the EGMC. Does this mean we hate eg and want their event to fail? No it doesn't, it means we are in GSTL and IPTL already and don't have time in our schedule for anything else.The players that would have been invited to the MvP league would already be extremely busy with GSL/GSTL/IPL etc so they have barely any time as it is.
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Didn't think KESPA was such a threat to Korean Starcraft. But I do like how ESF is sticking it to them. Little guy fighting big.
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Hmm, wasn't going to watch due to PPV anyway, but I completely understand ESF declining. They were the ones that have been part of the SC2 scene longer and put more work into it and they got gypped in the number of spots.
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I understand why ESF would want to pull out, i'm sure most people do as well. However this will cut the viewer numbers since it's going to be for the most part kespa man-handling foreigners.
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I'll just repost my Reddit comment on this topic:
MLG screwed them over here and the e-Sports Federation doesn't have nearly the same influence as KeSPA. This is one of their few ways of protesting that won't end up as mere hot air.
Let's see: - With the exception of the invited eSF players, all other eSF players have to play through two qualifiers against their fellow brethren. Only 8 players out of 58+ successfully got through the first qualifier; only 3 players out of 30 will qualify past the second. If we assume equal skill among all the participants and account for matchups and bracket possibilities, a player going through the two qualifiers has a lovely 1.38% chance of actually making it to the Fall Championship (the chances are slightly higher if double elimination format is involved). Of course your chances increase with your skill level, but all it takes is one bad Bo3 to ruin your shot. KR online tournaments are notorious for having lesser-known players knock out the big guns early in the brackets.
- Meanwhile 24 KeSPA players got invited (i.e didn't have to qualify in any shape or form) to a 48-player invitational in which the top 8 get seeded into the Fall Championship. Judging from their current skill level and the skill level of their foreign competition (we could pretend that foreigners and Koreans are on a equal skill in the general sense, but let's not entertain fantasies here), it's likely that 5-7 of the seeds will be grabbed by KeSPA players. Since it's a Bo1 repeated 24 times, anomalies are far less problematic since they have less impact on overall results.
- The winner of the MvP Invitational gets $10,000 and a seed to the Fall Championship. The winner of the KR/TW Invite-Only Qualifiers gets a seed into the Fall Championship and $0. If he was a winner of the Open Online Qualifiers, he would have played harder competition for worse rewards.
- Historically KeSPA has barely lifted a finger to earn the favor of the international community. The MvP Invitational is not an example of "reaching out of the community", but looks suspiciously like KeSPA having their cake and eating it too. They get a tournament with stacked odds that showcase their players, a bizarre mixture of a showmatch and a qualifier that does not match the criteria of either.
So yes, eSF members are getting fucked over. They are playing harder qualifiers for less profit and smaller chances of actually qualifying for the Fall Championship, all this with 3x the participants. If worst comes to worst they will actually get less seeds to the tournament as well.
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On September 27 2012 00:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I understand why ESF would want to pull out, i'm sure most people do as well. However this will cut the viewer numbers since it's going to be for the most part kespa man-handling foreigners.
MLG has been about Koreans man-handling foreigners for over a year now...
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Sad but it's understandable.
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Jesus.. ESF aren't hesitating to use their power.. not happy
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On September 27 2012 00:49 Zorkmid wrote:
Was PPV one of the issues?
I highly highly doubt it considering ESF players gained their fame through playing in a PPV tournament (GSL). In my opinion there's nothing wrong with PPV anyway, and I'd view MLG no differently if they took the GSL approach of offering a free version that made your eyes bleed or a paid version that doest.
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yay MKP and MC of ESF raised justice
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and this is why invitationals are a bad idea.
On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote: Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
people must know
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I wanted to see they playing, but this is understandable.
Hope it get's better to them.
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On September 27 2012 00:56 CosmicSpiral wrote:I'll just repost my Reddit comment on this topic: Show nested quote +MLG screwed them over here and the e-Sports Federation doesn't have nearly the same influence as KeSPA. This is one of their few ways of protesting that won't end up as mere hot air. Show nested quote +Let's see: - With the exception of the invited eSF players, all other eSF players have to play through two qualifiers against their fellow brethren. Only 8 players out of 58+ successfully got through the first qualifier; only 3 players out of 30 will qualify past the second. If we assume equal skill among all the participants and account for matchups and bracket possibilities, a player going through the two qualifiers has a lovely 0.00138% chance of actually making it to the Fall Championship (the chances are slightly higher if double elimination format is involved). Of course your chances increase with your skill level, but all it takes is one bad Bo3 to ruin your shot. KR online tournaments are notorious for having lesser-known players knock out the big guns early in the brackets.
- Meanwhile 24 KeSPA players got invited (i.e didn't have to qualify in any shape or form) to a 48-player invitational in which the top 8 get seeded into the Fall Championship. Judging from their current skill level and the skill level of their foreign competition (we could pretend that foreigners and Koreans are on a equal skill in the general sense, but let's not entertain fantasies here), it's likely that 5-7 of the seeds will be grabbed by KeSPA players. Since it's a Bo1 repeated 24 times, anomalies are far less problematic since they have less impact on overall results.
- The winner of the MvP Invitational gets $10,000 and a seed to the Fall Championship. The winner of the KR/TW Invite-Only Qualifiers gets a seed into the Fall Championship and $0. If he was a winner of the Open Online Qualifiers, he would have played harder competition for worse rewards.
- Historically KeSPA has barely lifted a finger to earn the favor of the international community. The MvP Invitational is not an example of "reaching out of the community", but looks suspiciously like KeSPA having their cake and eating it too. They get a tournament with stacked odds that showcase their players, a bizarre mixture of a showmatch and a qualifier that does not match the criteria of either.
So yes, eSF members are getting fucked over. They are playing harder qualifiers for less profit and smaller chances of actually qualifying for the Fall Championship, all this with 3x the participants. If worst comes to worst they will actually get less seeds to the tournament as well.
Very good write up. That summs it up pretty well. MLG jumped on the KESPA hype wagon as KESPA Pros switches over and is riding it now pretty hard. We'll see how this ends up, while IPL seems to be sticking with GSL/ESF, at least until IPL 5...
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