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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On September 27 2012 21:35 xuanzue wrote: so, there are mods to ban this guy, but there are not mods to clarify the op seriously.... they temp ban people just because they believed the wrong OP and posted their opinion on it. But the wrong OP stays. In the freaking community news forum that normal users can't even make threads in. WTF is going on???? | ||
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Michaels
419 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:01 Fenrax wrote: seriously.... they temp ban people just because they believed the wrong OP and posted their opinion on it. But the wrong OP stays. In the freaking community news forum that normal users can't even make threads in. WTF is going on???? Its always good to have atleast one anti-kespa thread going. | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
Edit: I mean, this thread made me a bit unsettled to be honest  | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
28 pages of going.. nowhere? As people already said, this one oughta be closed. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 27 2012 21:35 .vid wrote: esf acting like turds again. Please learn to read just more than the OP... | ||
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Quarz
448 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:58 vthree wrote: Please learn to read just more than the OP... Why, the mods could cite FXOBoss statement in the OP. Users are not resposible for false information. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:00 opterown wrote: they weren't part of the original announcement, whereas stephano was On Live on Three, MLGLee said Stephano and Scarlett would be replaced. I guess they need time to approach alternative players who agree to sign up. I expect MLG to announce replacements today at some point. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:05 Michaels wrote: Its always good to have atleast one anti-kespa thread going. This has barely anything to do with KeSPA considering it's MLG who are organizing it and like always people don't like the MLG format. In other words, tell it to the commissioner because he has, "Oh so great ideas." Your anti-kespa bs is directed in the wrong direction fella. To review: - Some players don't like the prize pool (top heavy scenario) - It's online and playing cross-realm play leads to less than optimal conditions - Player scheduling - Tournament Format - What's in it for the players? MLG is making money off them via PPV only, which is limited exposure and we know where CEOs like A.G. stand on this. - Etc. It really comes down to the players and they are allowed to choose which tournaments they participate in. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Moreover, BoSs' posts in the thread contradict his statement in the OP which is read to mean that ESF as a whole "most likely" withdrew due to a disagreement over fairness. In the thread he has stated that individual players chose on their own to decline for varied reasons. The potential consequence here is that the main foreign community site causes friction between Kespa/eSF/MLG. I'm really surprised that no TL mod has responded to these concerns from the site's community. | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
I will not support this MLG event, because it is taking complete advantage of the players (no price money except for the no. 1). It gives Kespa players an unfair advantage with 24/48 invites, with no SC2 track record at all. It does not honor any of the effort put in by ESF players in the past. It is based on cross-server replays, only played on the korean servers, essentially screwing over both NA and EU competitors. On top of that it was pretty clear that MLG is forced into this competition by an unknown third party that is puppeteering this stuff, so there is no clarity who is messing up our SC2 scene. Just to be clear, I have nothing against MLG at all, I love what they are doing in general, don't mind PPV. What I do mind is that the scene is being locked down, and that the competitive spirit is damaged because of it. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:01 Fenrax wrote: seriously.... they temp ban people just because they believed the wrong OP and posted their opinion on it. But the wrong OP stays. In the freaking community news forum that normal users can't even make threads in. WTF is going on???? That's exactly how I feel. This all seems inconsistent with how I thought TL operated. Is this some sort of unlabeled sponsored thread or cross-promotion for game spot? I know the TL staff doesn't owe anyone an explanation, but I'm legitimately curious as to why the OP hasn't been edited, and why this was chosen as "community news" in the first place. It just doesn't add up to me, but maybe that's why they're running a forum and I'm not. User was warned for this post | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:09 TestSubject893 wrote: That's exactly how I feel. This all seems inconsistent with how I thought TL operated. Is this some sort of unlabeled sponsored thread or cross-promotion for game spot? I know the TL staff doesn't owe anyone an explanation, but I'm legitimately curious as to why the OP hasn't been edited, and why this was chosen as "community news" in the first place. It just doesn't add up to me, but maybe that's why they're running a forum and I'm not. Well they know Slasher and assume he is right and yet don't bother to read Boss his posts. The only conclusion i can give. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
I've renamed the title. The old title is not incorrect but given the new information I feel the new title is better since it implies a lot less, edited in the post from FXO, and removed it from news. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
And, ESF is turning KeSPA mode day by day. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On September 28 2012 01:29 ElephantBaby wrote: Isn't this MLG vs Proleague, why did MLG invite esf players anyway? If ESF players are considered from MLG side, then to include enough foreigners, it is not possible to invite many esf players. And also not that many esf players competed in MLG before. And, ESF is turning KeSPA mode day by day. Because all non-kespa players are MLG players of course. yaaaaay marketing. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Moderating a single post is entirely different from researching a complicated subject. I've renamed the title. The old title is not incorrect but given the new information I feel the new title is better since it implies a lot less, edited in the post from FXO, and removed it from news. Thank you, Nazgul. The title was questionable and implied a great deal. (I still dislike the OP for previously stated reasons.) I'm kind of interested in if you have anything interesting to say yourself, after research, but I also would rather just let the whole thing die. (But I do want to say thank you first.) | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On September 28 2012 03:09 Angel_ wrote: Because all non-kespa players are MLG players of course. yaaaaay marketing. Even if all ESF players are considered MLG players, then Proleague got 24 players, then MLG side also need 24 players, due to the tournament title MLG vs Proleague. In this case, invite more foreigners than ESF players is completely reasonable from MLG. If they invite more esf players than foreigners, it will just be like GSL vs Proleague, instead of MLG. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:50 Domus wrote: After reading through the thing, and listening to live of three, I can come to only one conclusion. This tournament is bad for the players, it is bad for the teams, it is bad for the competitive spirit (people getting free passes based on no results in SC2), and it does not sound all that great for MLG either. The community can decide with their (lack of) financial support if we think this is good for the scene or not. I will not support this MLG event, because it is taking complete advantage of the players (no price money except for the no. 1). It gives Kespa players an unfair advantage with 24/48 invites, with no SC2 track record at all. It does not honor any of the effort put in by ESF players in the past. It is based on cross-server replays, only played on the korean servers, essentially screwing over both NA and EU competitors. On top of that it was pretty clear that MLG is forced into this competition by an unknown third party that is puppeteering this stuff, so there is no clarity who is messing up our SC2 scene. Just to be clear, I have nothing against MLG at all, I love what they are doing in general, don't mind PPV. What I do mind is that the scene is being locked down, and that the competitive spirit is damaged because of it. I see your point with the price mone only for the first. But the fact that more Kespa players than ESF players are invited is not unfair in any way. That is a pure business decision by MLG. The whole tournament is made to introduce the Kespa players to the community, so it it is only natural that many of them are invited. Therefore it also has nothing to do with thankfulness and it also doesn't undermine the competitive spirit. See for a single ESF player it changes nothing. In fact more Kespa players would improve an ESF's player's chances of winning the whole thing if ESF players are truly better than Kespa players. About the real skill level we don't know yet exactly, but so far the win rate has been around 50% and guys like Rain, Hero, Flash and some others have shown pretty good games and success. Also note that Kespa players did not lose a single bad word about the very biased distribution of slots into the two big tournaments (GSL/OSL). ESF players got eight of sixteen (50%) guaranteed slots into the OSL RO16 whereas Kespa players only got two of 32 (6.25%) Code S spots. In GSL Rain proved himself while JD failed, in OSL at least half of the semi finalists will be Kespa players. So it is not like they haven't proven themselves at all. It is an unusual situation for everyone with the switch from BW to SC2 and we don't know even half of the stuff that is going on behind the scenes. But what we know for sure is that by boycotting tournaments for "fairness" reasons you are hurting Esports. I can tell you that all the Kespa players are extremely dedicated to Esports. Go get that pass, pay the 10$. Even if the format is not the best, it is not much money and you will get a buttload of high quality SC2. | ||
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