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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
September 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#501
On September 27 2012 11:30 FXOBoSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:27 Fenrax wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:25 FXOBoSs wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:23 Fenrax wrote:
Thanks for your post FXO BoSs.

On September 27 2012 11:18 FXOBoSs wrote:
I dare say if people who are directly involved actually had the balls to explain the truth, then this type of shit wouldn't happen all the time.



The community agrees with that. But if the truth is not explained like you say, then what is left for us except to speculate?


If the truth isn't there. Start demanding it. Social media is a bitch. Trust me, if I get spammed on twitter it forces me to speak and should work the same for everyone else.


So tell us what you know (if there is something you haven't yet)!


Unstable has already addressed what I know. As he woke me up with a phone call asking WTF....

It wasn't forced on players from ESF.. There are like hundreds of reasons why. For instance, Leenock wanted to focus on GSL. Some complained of lag, others complained of the fairness.

Personally, I think they deserved more invites also because of all the time and money thats been invested by them/us growing MLG.


That sounds fair. I can understand Leenock there. Not enough to gain for the huge investment.

But I think that wasn't what you meant with "balls to explain the truth". What did you mean with that? What kind of truth?
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 27 2012 02:39 GMT
#502
On September 27 2012 11:35 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:30 FXOBoSs wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:27 Fenrax wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:25 FXOBoSs wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:23 Fenrax wrote:
Thanks for your post FXO BoSs.

On September 27 2012 11:18 FXOBoSs wrote:
I dare say if people who are directly involved actually had the balls to explain the truth, then this type of shit wouldn't happen all the time.



The community agrees with that. But if the truth is not explained like you say, then what is left for us except to speculate?


If the truth isn't there. Start demanding it. Social media is a bitch. Trust me, if I get spammed on twitter it forces me to speak and should work the same for everyone else.


So tell us what you know (if there is something you haven't yet)!


Unstable has already addressed what I know. As he woke me up with a phone call asking WTF....

It wasn't forced on players from ESF.. There are like hundreds of reasons why. For instance, Leenock wanted to focus on GSL. Some complained of lag, others complained of the fairness.

Personally, I think they deserved more invites also because of all the time and money thats been invested by them/us growing MLG.


That sounds fair. I can understand Leenock there. Not enough to gain for the huge investment.

But I think that wasn't what you meant with "balls to explain the truth". What did you mean with that? What kind of truth?


cut him some slack, you've been on him asking questions.

we're even lucky we're getting a snippet of what's happening.

if you really want the full truth, ask mlg--they should know what's up.
FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
September 27 2012 02:42 GMT
#503
The point I was making in this thread is that the community fuels peoples money making opportunities. If they don't feel obliged to be at least some-what transparent. Then the community needs to force them to be some what transparent. People aren't asking for balance sheets. Just information on why certain people are playing and certain people aren't. Theres no harm explaining that and I think its completely unacceptable that organisations don't want to explain it. It would save us all a huge deal of time and would save the reddit mods from brain meltdowns.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
September 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#504
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.

User was temp banned for this post.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 27 2012 02:46 GMT
#505
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.



if you could explain to us how kespa has helped mlg grow sc2 and esports, please post it here.

if i recall, it's been esf players + foreigners who's getting crowds in mlg (for sc2)
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#506
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.

Holy fuck, is it that hard for people to read the damn thread?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#507
On September 27 2012 11:47 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.

Holy fuck, is it that hard for people to read the damn thread?


The thread should really be closed I don't know why it was not as soon as it became obvious that the OP is false ~_~
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
September 27 2012 02:49 GMT
#508
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.


Any sort of legitimate excuse? Why should the ESF team participate in this MLG joke. MLG is just a tool being used by Kespa to promote the Kespa players. I'm very happy ESF is fighting back and I hope the foreign community decide to join in with ESF team. The ESF teams and the foreign teams made starcraft 2 into what it is today. And we were doing fine before Kespa.

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 27 2012 02:49 GMT
#509
On September 27 2012 11:47 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:47 babylon wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.

Holy fuck, is it that hard for people to read the damn thread?


The thread should really be closed I don't know why it was not as soon as it became obvious that the OP is false ~_~

Yeah, I'm just baffled by some posting habits. It's either a.) I didn't read the OP, b.) I didn't read the thread (come on, at least skim the last page, especially when you see Slasher's name attached to an OP???), or c.) .... both. Dear lord.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45458 Posts
September 27 2012 02:52 GMT
#510
On NASL tonight, it was just announced that Stephano would be dropping out too, claiming that the first place prize pool wasn't worth it.

The broadcaster sounded completely serious, for the record.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#511
On September 27 2012 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On NASL tonight, it was just announced that Stephano would be dropping out too, claiming that the first place prize pool wasn't worth it.

The broadcaster sounded completely serious, for the record.

EG posted this on twitter hours ago. Its legit.
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Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 02:58:55
September 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#512
On September 27 2012 11:49 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:44 Scarecrow wrote:
The second ESF boycott without any sort of legitimate excuse. At least Kespa cited scheduling when pulling out. ESF just seems to run on spite, whining about a big brother getting more of the cake.


Any sort of legitimate excuse? Why should the ESF team participate in this MLG joke. MLG is just a tool being used by Kespa to promote the Kespa players. I'm very happy ESF is fighting back and I hope the foreign community decide to join in with ESF team. The ESF teams and the foreign teams made starcraft 2 into what it is today. And we were doing fine before Kespa.



OMG This ISN'T a concerted effort by ESF to boycott the invitational. For fucks sake, read the thread, skim it at the very least and read FXO Boss posts. He stated that there are MULTIPLE REASONS why a FEW ESF players declined and he gave HIS OPINION on another possible reason.


On September 27 2012 11:30 FXOBoSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:27 Fenrax wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:25 FXOBoSs wrote:
On September 27 2012 11:23 Fenrax wrote:
Thanks for your post FXO BoSs.

On September 27 2012 11:18 FXOBoSs wrote:
I dare say if people who are directly involved actually had the balls to explain the truth, then this type of shit wouldn't happen all the time.



The community agrees with that. But if the truth is not explained like you say, then what is left for us except to speculate?


If the truth isn't there. Start demanding it. Social media is a bitch. Trust me, if I get spammed on twitter it forces me to speak and should work the same for everyone else.


So tell us what you know (if there is something you haven't yet)!


Unstable has already addressed what I know. As he woke me up with a phone call asking WTF....

It wasn't forced on players from ESF.. There are like hundreds of reasons why. For instance, Leenock wanted to focus on GSL. Some complained of lag, others complained of the fairness.

Personally, I think they deserved more invites also because of all the time and money thats been invested by them/us growing MLG.

Best in the world at what I do
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 02:58:27
September 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#513
@FxoBoss: I understand. So no drama here, just Leenock not wanting to play because the expected value is too low. Thanks.

There is nothing wrong with that. It is also good that you understood the community being so quick with speculations. We have gotten used to being lied and misinformed about many things going on behind the scenes. About the whole Blizzard vs. Kespa vs. ESF case we know nothing about what really happened. And we will never know the truth about what happened behind the curtains which feels bad because they make money with us and still treat us like that. There are certainly no balls.

And so we quickly jump on bandwagons and suspect someone is lying again to us, even when it is nothing big, like this time. Which causes you to get called by someone at night for nothing, sorry for that. Thanks again for your patience and for answering my questions.
FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
September 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#514
Instead of suspect, why not heckle and get people to answer you. The community has alot of power if its used right. If they act like drama queens they lose their power.
www.twitter.com/gosutrading
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45458 Posts
September 27 2012 03:00 GMT
#515
On September 27 2012 11:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On NASL tonight, it was just announced that Stephano would be dropping out too, claiming that the first place prize pool wasn't worth it.

The broadcaster sounded completely serious, for the record.

EG posted this on twitter hours ago. Its legit.


Thanks for the extra source

I'm surprised he's not going to play in that tournament. Is he planning on making more than $10,000 during that tournament period doing something else?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 03:07:31
September 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#516
On September 27 2012 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On NASL tonight, it was just announced that Stephano would be dropping out too, claiming that the first place prize pool wasn't worth it.

The broadcaster sounded completely serious, for the record.


Scoots confirmed it on Live On Three. He also stated that players (presumably EG players) agreed to participate before knowing it was PPV or knowing the complete details about this tournament.

I guess Stephano did not think playing 50 + games was worth it considering only the winner got any prize money at all. He has a busy schedule with travelling to other tournaments already plus existing commitments to NASL4, Stim to the Win, MSI Pro Cup Worldwide plus team matches. I guess he figures he can more easily qualify for MLG Pool Play via the EU qualifiers which is much less of a time commitment.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45458 Posts
September 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#517
On September 27 2012 12:03 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On NASL tonight, it was just announced that Stephano would be dropping out too, claiming that the first place prize pool wasn't worth it.

The broadcaster sounded completely serious, for the record.


Scoots confirmed it on Live On Three.

I guess Stephano did not think playing 50 + games was worth it considering only the winner got any prize money at all. He has a busy schedule with travelling to other tournaments already plus existing commitments to NASL4, Stim to the Win, MSI Pro Cup Worldwide plus team matches. I guess he figures he can more easily qualify for MLG Pool Play via the EU qualifiers which is much less of a time commitment.


Ah that's a good point. I personally haven't kept up with all the details (just the general premise of this tournament), and so I didn't realize that only first place gets the cash! I think most tournaments and players prefer more of a trickle down pool...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 03:33:38
September 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#518
Yay (sarcasm), with Stephano and Scarlett out of the picture, KESPA is going crush MLG. This tournament is becoming more of a joke, my interest is (almost) gone, with only Naniwa still keeping me interested. And even he is having a heavy time atm.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
September 27 2012 03:18 GMT
#519
On September 27 2012 12:06 Nosferatos wrote:
Yay (Irony), with Stephano and Scarlett out of the picture, KESPA is going crush MLG. This tournament is becoming more of a joke, my interest is (almost) gone, with only Naniwa still keeping me interested. And even he is having a heavy time atm.

You totally misused the word "irony". It should be "sarcasm".
ottersareneat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States55 Posts
September 27 2012 03:30 GMT
#520
We are not an ESF team.
i like otters because they're neat and they hold hands while swimming backward.
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