EPTThey declined their invitations to the tournament It's not like they accepted and then pulled out.
ESF teams/players missing from MLG vs Proleague - Page 4
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
They declined their invitations to the tournament It's not like they accepted and then pulled out. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
There are like 30000 good players out there, why should MLG care about some random players not willing to participate ? | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:25 Lonyo wrote: Yes, the reasoning is... Kespa and MLG have a partnership. Lol it is quite ironic because the first GOM/MLG partnership had 4 Koreans each seeded into super protective pools with all travel expenses paid and ESF teams back then didn't complain about biased seeding. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:41 KissMeRed wrote: I know, and the ESF should be happy to have chances to play KESPA in those tournaments too. These are obviously two opposing organizations. One quite established, KESPA. The other an upstart in comparison, ESF. If ESF wants to survive in the industry, they need to win over KESPA players whenever possible. Otherwise, the best ESF players will just be poached by KESPA teams when the transfer ban is lifted and ESF teams will collapse. If that last bit were true, something like this tournament would do the opposite. The bias in number of invites would almost secure that ESF players be knocked out (or a much higher chance) by KeSPA players, thus making the situation worse for them? | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:43 kamikami wrote: Well, why is this the problem ? Those are "invites" in the first place. If you invite someone to your home and he/she doesn't want to come you can just invite someone else. There are like 30000 good players out there, why should MLG care about some random players not willing to participate ? Random players? What the hell are you talking about? lol Nice troll attempt. | ||
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nachtkap
Germany197 Posts
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skyflyfish
Canada499 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:43 kamikami wrote: Well, why is this the problem ? Those are "invites" in the first place. If you invite someone to your home and he/she doesn't want to come you can just invite someone else. There are like 30000 good players out there, why should MLG care about some random players not willing to participate ? name 300 outside ESF | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:43 kamikami wrote: Well, why is this the problem ? Those are "invites" in the first place. If you invite someone to your home and he/she doesn't want to come you can just invite someone else. There are like 30000 good players out there, why should MLG care about some random players not willing to participate ? Those random players = every Korean SC2 player who is not a KeSPA player. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:43 kamikami wrote: Well, why is this the problem ? Those are "invites" in the first place. If you invite someone to your home and he/she doesn't want to come you can just invite someone else. There are like 30000 good players out there, why should MLG care about some random players not willing to participate ? MarineKing, MC, PuMa, LosirA etc are random players? :| and out of the "30,000" good players, the top echelon would be ESF players :\ | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:22 TeeTS wrote: Well if this all means, that ESF players concentrate more on IPL and maybe even european events, than I would be totally fine with it. The problem for MLG here is, that they have this deal with KESPA, which costed them some money for sure and now they try to make something out of it... I didn't like the news of this exclusive deal in the first place back when it was announced and this is just a consequence of it. :o The thing I'm wondering now is, how far this dispute will go... Well worst scenario is Kespa players going only to MLG and ESF players playing only all the other events like IPL, Dreamhack, IEM etc. I think MLG has some sort of exclusive deal with Kespa, where they only attend MGLs and no other foreign tournaments. And this was prob in response to IPLs connection to GSL( GSTL Final at IPL4, Team World vs GSL, GSL RO8(?) etc at IPL5) To me this seems like two big boys (MLG and IGN/IPL) duking it out the american way. I hope both can survive and we as viewers get to see the best players at as many foreign tournaments as possible. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:41 KissMeRed wrote: I know, and the ESF should be happy to have chances to play KESPA in those tournaments too. These are obviously two opposing organizations. One quite established, KESPA. The other an upstart in comparison, ESF. If ESF wants to survive in the industry, they need to win over KESPA players whenever possible. Otherwise, the best ESF players will just be poached by KESPA teams when the transfer ban is lifted and ESF teams will collapse. I disagree. Kespa has been established in Brood War for a long time, but as far as SC2 goes, ESF is the established organization. I also am unsure how many ESF players would be willing to basically forfeit any free rights they have by going to KESPA teams. ESF just needs money so that it's teams can pay more salaries. If they do that, then I think ESF can survive in the long run. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:42 AlmondCS wrote: uh... coz it's MLG vs KESPA. MLG invites (includes esf) get half, kespa get the other half of the invites. please read first before commenting. Right, but they *chose* to make it that way. There was no reason they had to do that. What if MLG decided to make a big "EG vs. the world" tournament, where half the players were EG. And there was a lot of money and qualifiers to their main tournament. And there was a rule stating that half the qualifiers would go to EG players no matter how badly they did. And it turns out they did it because EG promised never to go to IPL in exchange. Would the community not go insane? | ||
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Kanaz
Denmark658 Posts
They are one of the main reasons that sc2 is what it is today. They came from a nonglobalized bw, and made sc2 (with other ppl) to a globalized esport. And look at the succes, and the interrest from foreigners. Now kespa joins in, and ESF gets the cold shoulder and the meh rewards. I will not buy ppv to this online tournament. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:46 Wingblade wrote: I disagree. Kespa has been established in Brood War for a long time, but as far as SC2 goes, ESF is the established organization. I also am unsure how many ESF players would be willing to basically forfeit any free rights they have by going to KESPA teams. ESF just needs money so that it's teams can pay more salaries. If they do that, then I think ESF can survive in the long run. "Just needs money" You know how many people just need money in the world? | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:47 Salazarz wrote: This is retarded, and people supporting eSF in this decision is really sad. The amount of invites to various events is never 'fair', pretty much every tournament around the world is skewed in favour of various demographics. Likewise, direct seeds into GSL aren't 'fair' either. The theme of this event was KeSPA vs Non-KeSPA - and thus the numbers of players on each 'side'. If MLG wanted this to be a showmatch, then they should have cut off all connections to the Fall Championship. If they wanted it to be a qualifier then it should have been open to all willing participants. Instead they chose both and got a "qualifier" where half the participants didn't have to qualify in the first place, which makes a mockery of the entire tournament. There aren't 16 direct seeds for the GSL. Bad analogy is bad. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
Way to be a bitch about any fuckin thing eSF. #norespect | ||
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