EPTESF teams/players missing from MLG vs Proleague - Page 6
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:00 liberate71 wrote: If it didn't have implications on the MLG Fall Championship - I doubt it would be anywhere near as big a deal. Seems MLG are just intimidated by KeSPA and forgot who helped push them from $5,000 1st place prizes to $25,000 1st place prizes. GSL has a partnership with IPL, what the hell is MLG supposed to do? Obviously it makes good business sense to partner with the other Korean giant. You think GSL would ever have a GSL Finals at MLG when they have a partnership with IPL? | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:46 CosmicSpiral wrote: Those random players = every Korean SC2 player who is not a KeSPA player. No, my point is that there're 30000 good players in the world, and now 6 of them declined. We assumed that they are 6 best players of the world, so we can just invite the next 6 (from 6th to 12th position). If they refuse we can invite the next 6 and so on, this way there's no problem at all. In fact they are as random as anyone else if we go that way. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:53 AlmondCS wrote: uh... whats your point? esf/gsl also get to decide who they invite to their tournament. they give foreign players seeds even though they didnt go through the qualifiers. GSL "chose" to make it that way too. so whats the problem here? its the choice of MLG! dont go all crazy saying it's unfair. of course it is MLG's choice! Noone wants to to forbid MLG to do what they want with their tournaments. People are just discussing their oppinions here about what is done and possible consequences... And if a tournament decides to favor a certain group of players, then the other players don't feel that great about it. And if they don't get anything in response to even it up again, than they feel even worse about it and take actions on their own. And that's what happened here: MLG clearly favors KESPA and shows ESF the cold shoulder and ESF takes first (indeed very small) consequences (it's not like they boycott MLG completely...). MLG should have made their MvP series a show match. But they feared that noone would've cared about it then, so they put qualifier spots on the line to hit 2 flies with one slap: First MvP series gets more relevance. Second: They get KESPA players to their main event to upgrade it even more. The problem are the issues between ESF and KESPA right now. Anyone thinking that with KESPA's agreement to participate in the GSL season 4 everything is fine now, is just naive. ESF and KESPA observe what's happening now very precisely. This very bad timing from MLG for such an event might have played a lot into the whole drama. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:59 mage36 wrote: yea. they chose to make it that way. It's a partnership. Why would Kespa agree to having less than half of the representation? eSF can form another tournament with another partnership with anyone. No one has stopped them with having deals with others. I'll just quote this: Why doesn't anyone have a problem with those and has a problem with this? I have no problem with both. It's just stupid taking sides. The IPL/GSL partnership is about hosting an event together. That's a business partnership, sure, but IPL isn't giving GSL players byes through half the tournament because of it or something like that. "Partnerships" that give some players a competitive advantage over others have no place in legitimate sports. Tiger Woods doesn't get a 5-stroke handicap because he demanded it in exchange for coming to the tournament. And if he did, no one would just be like "eh, the tournament is allowed to do whatever it wants...." Of course the tournament is allowed to do whatever it wants, but if this is what it wants, that tournament isn't legitimate. | ||
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Fuego
United Kingdom166 Posts
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership. MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other. To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'. MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague'). How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:01 Condor Hero wrote: It's called MLG vs Proleague. I thought it was dumb to invite so many NA players too cuz they would just get smashed but that's a discussion for another day. I agree with that last part NA players can't hold a candle to KESPA or GOM. But the whole setup was designed to massively favor KESPA from the start. Which is bad IMO. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
Am I the only one that doesn't get pissed about that? | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:02 kamikami wrote: No, my point is that there're 30000 good players in the world, and now 6 of them declined. We assumed that they are 6 best players of the world, so we can just invite the next 6 (from 6th to 12th position). If they refuse we can invite the next 6 and so on, this way there's no problem at all. In fact they are as random as anyone else if we go that way. And all you will be left with is foreigners and KeSPA players because no eSF player in their right mind will accept an invitation. The "best players in the world" were not invited in the MvP Invitational, they were the best performers from the Summer Championship. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote: I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet. MLG and KeSPA have a partnership. MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other. To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'. MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague'). How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. People think it's "unfair" because ESF players helped grow MLG starcraft to what it is. Those same ESF players which are tied so closely with GOM though have a partnership with IPL. Are people going to complain about lack of Kespa invites when that tournament rolls around next? Honestly this is really silly, they're just acting in their best interest. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote: I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet. MLG and KeSPA have a partnership. MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other. To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'. MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague'). How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. This is different then foreigners going to a Korean event. KESPA and GOM are both Korean. So choosing to invite one set of Koreans over the other is unfair to the opposing Korean group. There not inviting more Koreans, they are replacing more GOM Koreans with KESPA players. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
I don't see why the esf have gotten their knickers in a twist, MLG has partnered with kespa after trying to partner with GOM and getting shafted in favour of IPL..... this tourney is supposed to pit kespa vs the best of the rest.... | ||
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Kooun
Canada260 Posts
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:09 emythrel wrote: wasn't the whole concept of the tourney Proleague (i.e kespa) vs the world? So 24 proleague players vs 24 non proleague players. Ofc under those circumstances kespa gets half the spots. The rest go to non kespa players. I don't see why the esf have gotten their knickers in a twist, MLG has partnered with kespa after trying to partner with GOM and getting shafted in favour of IPL..... this tourney is supposed to pit kespa vs the best of the rest.... They chose that concept because they were looking for a concept that would allow them to favor Kespa. You say "under those circumstances" like the concept was a natural disaster forced on MLG against its control. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote: I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet. MLG and KeSPA have a partnership. MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other. To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'. MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague'). How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done. I understand this concept, and you are correct in most of your assertions. I think the problem a lot of people have with this is the results of this tournament influence future MLGs (Fall Championship, etc.) If they want to have a MLG vs. KeSPA tournament, then by all means they should do so, but they shouldn't have it affect future tournaments. This means all of the KeSPA players invited have an unfair advantage qualifying for MLGs over the ESF players. Since it's invite only as well, it means the KeSPA players don't even get in on merit, they get in by beating mostly each other, foreigners, and the small number of ESF players that were invited. tl;dr: MLG can and should have a joint MLG/KeSPA tournament, but that tournament can't invite a majority KeSPA players and then have a major influence over who gets to attend later tournaments. That does shaft the ESF players, basically saying "we value having KeSPA players on the circuit over the ESF players who helped get us where we are now" | ||
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