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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 18:52 SC Trickster wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked, but does anyone know where idra made the post that got him banned for so long?
Also, hot damn at this topic reaching 57 pages lol.
The original ban happened because he suspected Cruncher of stream-hacking him, on the basis of at least circumstantial evidence*, and flamed him on his own (Idra's) fanclub thread. The TL mods apparently do not like this and banned him for two days.
The post that got him banned for three months was made on his Twitter. He suggested that anyone reading the twitter with questions about his ban should contact Chill. TL mod staff, always Lawful Neutral, interpreted this as him suggesting to his fans that they should spam Chill, and banned him for three months.
*Cruncher was definitely watching Idra's stream, although he claims to have hidden and muted the window; Idra perhaps knew the former but not the latter at the time. He also supposedly responded perfectly to an all-in despite not scouting it whatsoever.
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he encouraged harassment and does not feel regret, nor will attempt to change his ways? why wasnt this a perm?
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WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info
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Fair enough,
Thanks for keeping his stream listed though, very mature of you guys ^^
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That's what you get when you don't nip these kind of things in the butt right away.
Idra's not going to stop, not after a 90 day ban either I'm sure.
I was dumbfounded after watching that screenshot of Idra's ban history. What kind of a message did you guys think you were sending towards Idra?
Fuel to the fire. Enjoy your fire.
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On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info
For insulting Cruncher on Idra's own fanclub thread, after he lost a game to Cruncher in which he had circumstantial evidence that Cruncher was watching his stream.
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On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info
He called Cruncher a waste of life. Considering that I've been banned for suggesting that a player was playing at a Diamond level, it certainly isn't a deviation from TL's general policy.
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On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info
Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff.
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On May 08 2011 19:13 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info He called Cruncher a waste of life. Considering that I've been banned for suggesting that a player was playing at a Diamond level, it certainly isn't a deviation from TL's general policy.
Isn't that pretty much the point? Their general policy is hypersensitive for the current environment, bordering on the absurd. I can understand that maybe things were different in BW where this site had 30 people active on it. I wasn't around at that time. But now, well, they certainly aren't doing themselves any favors. The second ban was 100 times more reasonable than the first.
Edit: But the point is the second ban shouldn't have been neccessary.
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On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago.
Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality.
However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass.
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On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff.
Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault.
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On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault.
There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned.
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On May 08 2011 19:15 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:13 Pyo wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info He called Cruncher a waste of life. Considering that I've been banned for suggesting that a player was playing at a Diamond level, it certainly isn't a deviation from TL's general policy. Isn't that pretty much the point? Their general policy is hypersensitive for the current environment, bordering on the absurd. I can understand that maybe things were different in BW where this site had 30 people active on it. I wasn't around at that time. But now, well, they certainly aren't doing themselves any favors. The second ban was 100 times more reasonable than the first. Edit: But the point is the second ban shouldn't have been neccessary.
Back in BW days? These forums have had thousands of users for a very long time. Just realize that a good (perhaps the majority) chunk of the user base originally stemmed from Broodwar and the pro-scene. There was an increase due to Starcraft II, but I do not it was an incredibly large amount (since I am sure a good portion of the TL users went and got Sc II as well).
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i think he deserves it. a nice guy that decides to act like an immature child when hes upset should not be pitied or given leniancy. TL mods give him loads of leeway already and he basically spits on them by not respecting their hard work and telling his fans to harass Chill
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taken his banhistorie into account, this seems very reasonable. If it wasn`t IdrA any other User would have been permabanned ages ago. The biggest surprise for me are some of his hardcore I-close-my-eyes-and-just-listen-to-my-IdrA Fans. Sure, he is a top player and I personally watch his stream whenever I catch it on the TL Streamlist. But I hate his Attitude. What about his team? Do they and their/his Sponsors like havin an esport version of Charlie Sheen representing their names/brands? Ish don`t think so.
Well. IdrA is confident and when he says something factbased about the game you often can´t disagree (excluding the whiney stuff). But why in hell does he take himself so serious?! If he thinks he might be right in some points where others disagree - just give reasons for your statement, leave it that way and be a cool mother..... . There is absolutly no need to convince others of your personal opinion and if it ends in motivating fans to harras people ..... srsly, this shit is wack.
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Sweet, he's still coming back, don't you guys worry.
IdrA is a man on a mission.
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Sad Idra got baned D:
I just started to watch his stream for the first time when he started to commentate on his games. I usually never watch any user streams, but i gave it a try after the last Sotg and i really enjoyed his stream , it was very entertaining, it was actually more enjoyable for me that watching most other tournament streams. Hopefully he won't stop streaming because of this. :S
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On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned.
Exactly.
He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time.
He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke.
He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event.
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On May 08 2011 19:16 motiust wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago. Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality. However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass.
Asking thousands of people to spam a TL mod with PMs is justification for perm-ban. I think idras stream should be suspended from listing as well. He will never learn if there are not real repercussions for his child like behavior.
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Great.. Now he'll never stream again -_-'
I like IdrA but he obviously overreacts a lot. Why not just let him be so that the zerg community could watch him stream?
I get that he needs punishment but honestly, why let it go out on so many others? Why not just enforce it after his week of commentary was done?
Let's say you have a class of 6 year olds.(which is basically how most of TL acts funnily enough ^_^)
At one point one of the kids lashes out and insults another child(cruncher). He gets punished. Shortly after that, he insults a teacher at which point he get's a punishment much more severe. They take away Lego from him. To make sure that he doesn't get to play with the legothey take it away from the other children as well, punishing them for nothing.
You see what I'm getting at? Because honestly, Chill should be able to handle people acting like 6 year olds raging at him right? As far as I know he shouldn't be too moved by this.
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