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I don't understand why its not a permaban considering the fact that he has been banned before and doesn't regret anything.
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U should ban also his IP from this site.
Maybe one day he grew up. But some times its really funny how he rage about balance xD
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United States43758 Posts
On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant.
disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise
The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it.
The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no.
The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship.
Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms.
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Hokay,
Although one could sure argue about banning somebody for 90day is almost kinda lulzy - the actuall act of banning Idra is justified. Not so much because of his rant against Cruncher who (In my freely stated opinion is indeed a major *mmh mmh*) but because of him trying to use his fanbase as a personal army against Chill - what was not only fucked up for Chill but also for his fans. It once more shows that Idra has no respect - for anyone, not even the people that cheer for him.
But also I am a little afraid of this 100% political correctnes that has been enforced on TL. Sure you have to somehow prevent trolls from taking over and the *How kill 2r4x luuuls imba* posts in the stratgy section. But in general, I see this as a method of killing all kinds of emotions from the game. Soon it'll bee like in the movie Equilibrium (or so) that all SC2 players have to take a drug that makes them resistent to all forms of emotions so they only write glhf and gg.
This can't be it! If I watch sport (soccer f.e.) I WANT to see the losing team lying on the grass crying and the winner running around cheering, huggung each other. I WANT to see emotion, reactions of human beings. I could not imagine the same game and in the and both partys meet in the middle hand shaking, saying GG with not the smalles smirk or growl on their faces.
In my opinion this is also why IdrA is so popular. Because he still SHOWS his emotions uncensored. And in the end this is what people want to see.
And to round this up with one question I am curious - this moderator *Chill* we are talking about concerning the ban is the samy guy who also moderates TSL or somebody else?
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On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms.
Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream.
Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision.
Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation?
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I like IdrA, he's so much fun. But I don't know why he must always bring balance and sometimes race to somethings, I mean like this thing between IdrA and TL has been going on forever lol.
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Never command a army in a stronger defense , while knowing if it fails the counter attack may kill you didnt you learn that lesson already ingame ? Idra-san truly nothing what can be named as one of the best.
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On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation?
There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to express your opinion. 170+ PMs to a moderator isn't one of them. There's an entire thread dedicated to discussion about bans and you can always PM staff directly.
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On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation?
I suppose they can take criticism but the pm's he recieved from banning idra were probably more along the lines of "LOL Y U BAN IDRA FUCKING RETARDED MOD" than a proper discussion as for why they think of it as wrong.
Not saying it was wrong to ban him in the first place.
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Shit I don't know what to say, I read the 30 first pages on this topic and my headache started at page 3. There is no SANE debate here, how can anyone really think that Idra doesn't deserve this ban?
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Rough, but I can see the logic in the reason for it.
Oh well.
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On May 08 2011 19:35 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:32 zul wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. your are as wrong as you can be. IdrA`s stream is not hosted or sponsored by TL and hos can you say that a Mod "just" interpretes IdrA`s statement where he called another user of the website a waste of life. This is a clear ban and maybe you should try to changed your point of view and imagine if IdrA came in your fanclub to call you a waste of life or something similar. I said the first ban was definately warranted. The 90 ban however in my opinion is not. I believe i saw a TL member say in this thread that they had removed the ads from his stream after he was banned? I'll look for it in a second. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:30 JayDee_ wrote:On May 08 2011 19:25 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:22 JayDee_ wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 motiust wrote:On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago. Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality. However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass. Asking thousands of people to spam a TL mod with PMs is justification for perm-ban. I think idras stream should be suspended from listing as well. He will never learn if there are not real repercussions for his child like behavior. He didn't tell anyone to spam Chill. Nor did he ask them. He pointed towards the Mod who banned him from the site. Stating if they have a problem with it, ask them to lift the ban. Yes and how many people do you think he thought would PM Chill? Only a hand full? Please. He clearly knew Chill would get hit with tons of PMs. Isn't that a good thing? So many people think his ban is a complete joke and thereby proving his point? I fail to see the problem.
The problem is he asked thousands of people to PM one person. Whether or not their PMs were constructive is moot. It's still harassment. How would you like it if idra asked thousands of people to PM your main personal email?
I don't understand how so many people can defend this kid and search for justifications to his anti-social actions.
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On May 08 2011 19:41 [Atomic]Peace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to express your opinion. 170+ PMs to a moderator isn't one of them. There's an entire thread dedicated to discussion about bans and you can always PM staff directly.
Isn't PMing a mod PMing staff directly?.
It's a show of support for Idra. It's no different than if they made a thread about it.
On May 08 2011 19:41 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? I suppose they can take criticism but the pm's he recieved from banning idra were probably more along the lines of "LOL Y U BAN IDRA FUCKING RETARDED MOD" than a proper discussion as for why they think of it as wrong. Not saying it was wrong to ban him in the first place.
So you're going to blame idra for the wording of the protests? Different people have different ways of expressing their opinion. Can't ban idra because one of his fans gets angry.
Honestly it just seems like something the mods jumped on to get rid of him for a long period of time and "teach him a lesson". Though honestly that never works on the internet.
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That shit is unacceptable here, IdrA should really know this by now.
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On May 08 2011 11:09 TT1 wrote:
gogo tl pwn all these fanboys, time to lay the hammer down
I find it ironic someone with a history like yours is saying something like this.
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On May 08 2011 19:41 SayTT wrote:
Shit I don't know what to say, I read the 30 first pages on this topic and my headache started at page 3. There is no SANE debate here, how can anyone really think that Idra doesn't deserve this ban?
indeed! absolutely deserved ban in my opinion. just wondering why he doesnt get permanently banned because he has been banned before and doesnt seem to regret his actions or improve his behaviour after multiple warnings?
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On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation?
We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this.
Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works.
This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them.
Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around".
I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love.
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It's absolutly the right thing to do imho. IdrA is not only a great player he's somewhat of a rolemodel for alot of the people here on the forums, and behaviour like this will encourage others to do behave similarly - which is poison...
He's young still and there's been signs of maturity. Hopefully time will prove to be good to him when it comes to his behaviour..
I just found the discussion from SoTG where he tried to help iNc argue with Tyler on the EG teamleague drama way more funny now though. Hypocritical actually  .
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Idra deserves to be banned for many reasons, but insulting Cruncher outside the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid grounds is not one of them. The streams are not HOSTED by TL, merely linked to them. What Idra says and how he says it should never be moderated by TL.
Anyway, Chill's bombardment is not so much Idra's fault as it is his fans. Idra merely redirected their inquiries to the person responsible. That's not malicious intent; Chill is more informed about the situation and reasoning than any other person, including Idra.
On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:
The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it.
But somehow the words Idra speaks on this 'unaffiliated' stream domain is grounds for punishment on an unconnected forum? Interesting...
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if idra really isnt going to stream for 90 days now then its really fucked up :/
just came back from holidays and this is bad news indeed
nazgul is right though. i respect his decisions.
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