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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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To be honest, Idra dont give a fuck about this bans so whats the point of the topic?
All Greg fans know how he rolls and know thats normal beeing a person who he is.
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On May 08 2011 19:58 [Atomic]Peace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:56 RoieTRS wrote:On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:
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There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. He helps more than he hurts. More and more I'm starting to question this. Idra's view on balance has turned legions of new Zerg players into people who have negative views of the game. How much better would be community be if the Zerg hero was Mondi and not Idra? Hell, Idra even talks about how he doesn't practice anymore because of how much he hates the game.
Kinda have to agree. Yeah, IdrA has helped and continues to help. But a lot of people think it's okay now to complain about balance that they really have no clue about. Blaming certain races being OP or how bad the game is on their loss. Oh don't get me started on GSL threads and the like.. It's disgusting. Obviously, it's not just IdrA, but he doesn't help either.
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On May 08 2011 19:53 dangots0ul wrote:
Poor Poor Chill.. if Idra didnt go to korea 2 1/2 years or was a lesser known pro... he would have been gone so long ago.
In fact, if an average person did 1/100 of what idra has done they would have been banned
Anyone who frequented TL before Sc2 KNOWS that chill has been far beyond generous to Idra.
That's like saying poor USSR. If the US didn't have the upper hand in economy and weapons during the cold war, they would have won and prospered. Darn those meddling Americans.
Uhm... Too bad? Chill knew who Idra was. And he chose to mess with the wrong guy and bit off more than he could chew this time. Idra hasn't even retaliated yet, he just redirected questions to actions he wasn't responsible for.
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On May 08 2011 19:58 [Atomic]Peace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:56 RoieTRS wrote:On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:
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There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. He helps more than he hurts. More and more I'm starting to question this. Idra's view on balance has turned legions of new Zerg players into people who have negative views of the game. How much better would be community be if the Zerg hero was Mondi and not Idra? Hell, Idra even talks about how he doesn't practice anymore because of how much he hates the game.
Mondi and Sheth fighting~!
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What amuses me about this thread is all the people saying "omg team liquid standards so high; banning for such inconsequential things like telling people to PM someone".
In reality this is one of the areas where TL's standards are the same as everyone elses: I don't know any community forum (not company PR forums) where actively harrassing one of the moderators won't get you banned.
As for the IdrA ban... meh. He won't learn anything, but then again he doesn't contribute anything constructive on the forums these days anyway. His stream and podcast appearances have insight, but on the forums he's usually just delivering one liner insults or trolls at random people.
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On May 08 2011 19:48 Cent wrote:Idra deserves to be banned for many reasons, but insulting Cruncher outside the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid grounds is not one of them. The streams are not HOSTED by TL, merely linked to them. What Idra says and how he says it should never be moderated by TL. Anyway, Chill's bombardment is not so much Idra's fault as it is his fans. Idra merely redirected their inquiries to the person responsible. That's not malicious intent; Chill is more informed about the situation and reasoning than any other person, including Idra. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:
The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. But somehow the words Idra speaks on this 'unaffiliated' stream domain is grounds for punishment on an unconnected forum? Interesting...
Please inform yourself before you post, you are adding unnecessary fuel to a fire that has been burning for too long as it is.
He received a 2 day ban for a post on TL, not for something that occured on his stream.
The following 90 day ban was handed out as explained in the OP.
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I personally don't mind as long as I can see his stream.
I wonder what would tyler say as his idea of this forum is to post whatever you feel like. ^^
I can just hope they'll talk about it in sotg.
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Seems a bit excessive. I can understand the 2 day slap on the wrist for the minor rage, but not putting in any kind of empathy on this one(encouraging fans to send pleas to Chill, I can't really understand. It all seems blown out of proportions, and all things said seems rather minor. Then again, I am new and don't know about the things that have transpired in the past.
Of course in the end I commend moderators daring to stand tall against a high profile, such as IdrA.
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It seems to me his fans are to blame for his ban in the first place. They made a big deal about cruncher sniping him, idra then made a post telling them it's just a ladder match and that it's not a big deal. In that same post he said that crunch is a waste of life.
Idra keeps telling people not to make a big deal of things,, i think his fans should listen.
It was just a ladder match, Idra moved on four seconds after it happened, while people felt the need to whine about it for a long time after.
If you throw a child into a den of hungry hyenas, you can't expect the hyenas to keep from eating it. Just as the hyena will eat anything if it's hungry, Idra will make snarky comments about a persons worth if he has a chance to do so.
That's my view of it atleast, might be that i've missed something though.
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On May 08 2011 07:05 baeric wrote:idrajit Greg Fields wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets youno he don't want to apologize, he wants the perm ban :-| source: http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit
Wait Wait Wait... This got IdrA 90 days?
Okay, I have to slightly disagree with the decision made. Yes, what he initially said deserves a ban. But the justification was that IdrA had all his fans spam Chill's box from his Twitter account.
I see nothing wrong with what IdrA posted here... He does not ask his fans to berate Chill, just send him a PM if you think the temp ban upsets you. Now, I guarantee there were at least 50 or so people that took it to the next level but that should not give reason to up the ban from my perspective.
And, for those that do not think what Cruncher did was wrong... I have to COMPLETELY disagree. If you think he was ghosting, what's not to stop him from at the 5 minute mark to alt + tab check Idra's stream and then get back in game... 15 seconds you know exactly what is coming.
It's like people saying I have used MH in the past but do not anymore. No way you believe them.
TL:DR IdrA deserved a ban but do not think the 90 day post decision was made without slight bias.
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I dont understand why people are making such a big deal of this. Greg barely posts and when he does its rarely earth shattering stuff? This has no impact on his ability to play the game or stream for his fans.
Liquid made the right call, enforcing their sites rules. Idra will not really suffer as a result of this in the long run. Why so much drama?
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I don't understand the people who try to pretend that Idras tweet was totally innocent. Do you not know who he is? He's the guy who says exactly what's on his mind and doesn't give a shit who he offends. This is a big part of why Idra is as popular as he is and I certainly wouldn't want him to change. He doeasn't try to make excuses for his behaviour and neither should you.
He made the tweet because he was pissed at Chill. He was rightly banned for it. End of story. We like him because he is who he is, so don't pretend he's some kind of fluffy bunny spreading joy and rainbows all around.
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On May 08 2011 20:04 DX_4 wrote:
He received a 2 day ban for a post on TL, not for something that occured on his stream.
The following 90 day ban was handed out as explained in the OP.
You're correct; Idra was banned for this post:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173866¤tpage=83#1657 and his statement was posted on TL, not his stream. I retract my statement based off misinformation. Thanks 
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Honestly, I have no problem with this. Greg's attitude in general is so pompous and annoying. He has the worst attitude and is incredibly arrogant in the way he conducts himself. Sorry, Greg, but you're not the smartest person to ever play Starcraft as much as you like to think so. Great player, but an annoying freaking person to have to watch or listen to when he whines, rage quits or just acts like himself.
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On May 08 2011 19:48 Cent wrote:
Idra deserves to be banned for many reasons, but insulting Cruncher outside the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid grounds is not one of them. The streams are not HOSTED by TL, merely linked to them. What Idra says and how he says it should never be moderated by TL.
He insulted Cruncher in a post on tl, not on the stream. Your entire post is based upon an incorrect understanding of the situation. Please educate yourself on it.
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I think this was all avoidable honestly. IdrA made a comment out of frustration after weeks of being trolled by Cruncher. He's been doing it since the TSL. He did it AT the TSL with the smiley at the end of the last game, which amounted to a preemptive GG. He dragged out a ladder game on IdrA's stream that was long over just so he could goad IdrA about the TSL. Then he snipes him on stream, gets a win with a blind counter, and comes here to gloat about how IdrA can't take a loss which was less a loss than IdrA saying "screw it" and leaving rather than try to battle his way back into a meaningless ladder game he suspected was being ghosted anyway. Sure it's a win in Cruncher's match history just the same but it's hardly anything to brag about. All things considered, I think IdrA has been the more civil of the two in this situation (barring the tweet of course; there's really no argument to be made that IdrA didn't realize Chill would get spammed to within an inch of his life).
In my opinion, the content of what IdrA said in that post is no worse than what people are regularly allowed to say about IdrA. I realize he used inflammatory language but he essentially advised people to stop talking about it so it could blow over. On the other hand, I've seen people literally say IdrA says the things he says out of bitterness that he has no social life (as if that's something they could possibly know) and not get so much as a warning. The language is less inflammatory but the content of a statement like that is no less insulting. However, IdrA gets a ban for a comment made out of justifiable frustration while others (including Cruncher) face no consequences for being equally insulting. It strikes me as being a double standard, and completely missing the point.
It's kind of like an employer where people get nagged about being 5 minutes late getting back from lunch, or spending a few minutes checking their Facebook. After a while, all you end up with is a lot of disgruntled, less efficient employees because all the good ones have moved on to jobs where they don't get treated like pre-schoolers.
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On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:
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Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back.
I fully agree.
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THat's gotta be one of the funniest threads. Nice Rhyming by all the people who contributed
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On May 08 2011 20:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:
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Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. I fully agree.
I second that. Also, Someone was saying that idra didnt even retaliate and that chill bit off more then he could chew. that's unbelievably idiotic thing to say. IdrA is a user on this forum, he has to respect the rules, just like anyone else, and if he 'retaliates' he'll be perm banned from the biggest sc2 forum in the world as well as lose a ton of credibility.
If he actually tries and mount up some kind of "attack" on TL, I'm 100% sure that EG will drop him. That's not the kind of behaviour a professional team wants from their player. Imagine, some american football was refused an interview on ESPN and he sent his fans to egg/vandalize the ESPN studios, he would be kicked out of the league.
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