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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 19:43 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:41 [Atomic]Peace wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:
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Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to express your opinion. 170+ PMs to a moderator isn't one of them. There's an entire thread dedicated to discussion about bans and you can always PM staff directly. Isn't PMing a mod PMing staff directly?. It's a show of support for Idra. It's no different than if they made a thread about it.
Both of these things clearly aren't true and I'm pretty sure you are a troll since you just made an account today. (1) Idra didn't PM staff, his fans did and (2) it is different than a thread because it makes it harder for Chill to do his job as staff b/c he can't respond to legit PMs as fast.
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wow 1 hour and 60 pages already???
Nazgul may I ask what was the initial 2 day ban for? thanks
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On May 08 2011 19:43 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:41 [Atomic]Peace wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:
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Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to express your opinion. 170+ PMs to a moderator isn't one of them. There's an entire thread dedicated to discussion about bans and you can always PM staff directly. Isn't PMing a mod PMing staff directly?. It's a show of support for Idra. It's no different than if they made a thread about it. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:41 Sneakyz wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:
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Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? I suppose they can take criticism but the pm's he recieved from banning idra were probably more along the lines of "LOL Y U BAN IDRA FUCKING RETARDED MOD" than a proper discussion as for why they think of it as wrong. Not saying it was wrong to ban him in the first place. So you're going to blame idra for the wording of the protests? Different people have different ways of expressing their opinion. Can't ban idra because one of his fans gets angry. Honestly it just seems like something the mods jumped on to get rid of him for a long period of time and "teach him a lesson". Though honestly that never works on the internet.
If they really wanted to get rid of him for a long period of time, they (the mods) would have. He has been give an incredible amount of leniency in the past. More so than most people, and if it were any random person, he probably would have been IP banned long ago. But he has not been, and to many, this is probably a surprise that it is only 90 days.
But in all honesty, when someone who can assist in getting some 20k live viewers on a stream, mention to his (IdrA's) followers to PM a Mod, well, you can expect there to be a problem. There are ways of going about if not happy. But to tell thousands of people to PM a mod if upset, that is only asking for trouble. IdrA is an intelligent guy, there is no way he would be surprised to find out that Chill was spammed by probably not the gracious of PM's.
On May 08 2011 19:49 GG.NoRe wrote:
wow 1 hour and 60 pages already???
Nazgul may I ask what was the initial 2 day ban for? thanks
Accused Cruncher of watching his stream while playing against him (essentially cheating) with circumstantial evidence, and calling Chill a "waste of life".
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One of the things that annoys me about IdrA, is the constant whineing about inbalance
Do you hear any of the other pro players windging about this??
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It was obviously deserved. Hope things like this will teach him some manners. He may not care at the moment but I'm sure he will see the consequences if he continue to behaves the way he does.
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On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love.
Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back.
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On May 08 2011 19:48 decaf wrote:
if idra really isnt going to stream for 90 days now then its really fucked up :/
just came back from holidays and this is bad news indeed
nazgul is right though. i respect his decisions.
his stream is still featured.
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Poor Poor Chill.. if Idra didnt go to korea 2 1/2 years or was a lesser known pro... he would have been gone so long ago.
In fact, if an average person did 1/100 of what idra has done they would have been banned
Anyone who frequented TL before Sc2 KNOWS that chill has been far beyond generous to Idra.
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On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff.
note: have not read through the entire thread but ive skimmed through some pages and here's my opinion on this whole situation.
for the people who think he won't stream again: i think idra will definitely be streaming again. well if he likes the money from running commercials he probably would right? :p
did idra call cruncher a waste of life on the tl forums? chill has stated that tl has banned users for acts outside of tl.net but there are lots of featured streamers that talk trash. cruncher admitted to having his stream open and he runs a dual monitor set up, again there is absolutely no proof he stream hacked him but really why have idra's stream on at all if you were playing? he could have had it minimized yes, idra's been playing with commentary lately cause of the state of the game bet. sure he could have muted the stream too. just all too convenient, in my opinion he had the stream open for a reason but again there is no proof.
was the original insult all that bad even? these two have had a rivalry going for some time now maybe idra's trying to get in cruncher's head with these insults. sc2 is an esport, and just like in other sports people talk trash all the time. for example my username kesler is a hockey player for the vancouver canucks who was known to make agitating comments to get under the skin of other players to get them off their game. these two could hit each other in a major tournament in the future and idra might be trying to win himself that psychological edge?
that being said i think what he did with chill was extremely childish. a 90 day ban is pretty harsh but i kind of don't think it'll change how he acts on the forums since he's been banned so many times and is still so "bm"
i also wonder what eg thinks about some of the things he says sometimes as i'm sure the sponsors wouldn't be all too thrilled.
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On May 08 2011 19:50 Nilrem wrote:
Accused Chill of watching his stream while playing against him (essentially cheating) with circumstantial evidence, and calling Chill a "waste of life".
He said that about Cruncher not Chill lol.
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On May 08 2011 19:54 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:50 Nilrem wrote:
Accused Chill of watching his stream while playing against him (essentially cheating) with circumstantial evidence, and calling Chill a "waste of life".
He said that about Cruncher not Chill lol.
Sorry yeah... it is nearly 4am... lack of sleep is getting to me haha.
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On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation?
You, my friend are a complete idiot. Your arguments hold no water and all that is happening in your case is that you are coming across as a rampant idra fanboy.
Idra did wrong, he doesen't give a shit, he got banned ... no issue as far as I can see.
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On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:
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Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back.
He helps more than he hurts.
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TL has always been pretty conflicted over perm-banning Idra. They don't want to start a war with Idra, and neither of them will end up unscathed. Honestly, Chill is only reaping the consequences for his action, just or not, and there's not a lot of sympathy here. We'll see if TL has the determination and integrity to uphold the bans and withstand the backlash. TL mods knew what they were getting into.
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On May 08 2011 19:56 Drteeth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? You, my friend are a complete idiot. Your arguments hold no water and all that is happening in your case is that you are coming across as a rampant idra fanboy.
The irony.
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On May 08 2011 19:56 RoieTRS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:
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Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. He helps more than he hurts.
More and more I'm starting to question this. Idra's view on balance has turned legions of new Zerg players into people who have negative views of the game. How much better would be community be if the Zerg hero was Mondi and not Idra? Hell, Idra even talks about how he doesn't practice anymore because of how much he hates the game.
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On May 08 2011 19:58 [Atomic]Peace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:56 RoieTRS wrote:On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:
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There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. He helps more than he hurts. More and more I'm starting to question this. Idra's view on balance has turned legions of new Zerg players into people who have negative views of the game. How much better would be community be if the Zerg hero was Mondi and not Idra? Hell, Idra even talks about how he doesn't practice anymore because of how much he hates the game.
But the zerg hero is already Mondragon!
Roaches fighting!
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On May 08 2011 19:56 RoieTRS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:52 walklightwhat wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:
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Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works. This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Then permanently ban him already. If he has no respect for your rules, your moderators and your community it's pretty ridiculous to keep letting him come back. He helps more than he hurts.
It's that is really true, that's fair enough. I'll admit to not being around long enough to make any judgments. But since I have been here it seems like the relationship between TL.net and IdrA has only gotten worse. Which, to me, would seem like it's bad for both sides.
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On May 08 2011 06:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them.
If you do not remove banned pro players from the stream list, why did Scan get removed? That seems a bit unfair even though it is in the past.
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