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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
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On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event.
How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions.
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About dam time. I don't care if you are progamer, celebrity or Obama, the way he acts is ridiculous.
Yes he's a good player, but that does not mean he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
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On May 08 2011 19:15 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:13 Pyo wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info He called Cruncher a waste of life. Considering that I've been banned for suggesting that a player was playing at a Diamond level, it certainly isn't a deviation from TL's general policy. Isn't that pretty much the point? Their general policy is hypersensitive for the current environment, bordering on the absurd. I can understand that maybe things were different in BW where this site had 30 people active on it. I wasn't around at that time. But now, well, they certainly aren't doing themselves any favors. The second ban was 100 times more reasonable than the first.
Hypersensitive is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, but I can understand their position. It's a slippery slope where if you give an inch, they take a mile, so to speak. Besides, a 2-day temp ban isn't really more than a slap on the wrist. Most people who get them seem to be generally posting out of frustration/emotion and the Mods are letting them cool off before they continuing to post. It seems pretty reasonable to me from an administrators' perspective.
On a different note, I'm not sure why the mods re-opened this thread. It's like a glue trap for all the trolls and flamers – I guess they weren't satisfied with their initial haul (about 2 pages of the ABL).
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On May 08 2011 19:22 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:16 motiust wrote:On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago. Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality. However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass. Asking thousands of people to spam a TL mod with PMs is justification for perm-ban. I think idras stream should be suspended from listing as well. He will never learn if there are not real repercussions for his child like behavior.
He didn't tell anyone to spam Chill. Nor did he ask them. He pointed towards the Mod who banned him from the site. Stating if they have a problem with it, ask them to lift the ban.
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On May 08 2011 18:41 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 18:39 Jaw wrote:
forum bans is one thing. but not allowing him to talk to people IRL is pushing it... Don't worry, we will also not allow Cruncher to watch any of the race.
This proves the theory for my master's thesis that former trolls make the best kinda admins.
Greg on the other hand should be seen as Andy Kaufman, moving the boundaries of TL humor.
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Awh cmon TL staff I know you like a little drama right?
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It is rather important to look at his whole history of bans, and it's a shame to see so much bm from him
He's a great player, but when will he change his manners? http://i.imgur.com/cULBN.jpg
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On May 08 2011 19:26 Valckrie wrote:It is rather important to look at his whole history of bans, and it's a shame to see so much bm from him He's a great player, but when will he change his manners? http://i.imgur.com/cULBN.jpg
When his team and sponsors don't enable him to profit greatly from them, I'd imagine.
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On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions.
Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream.
True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions.
He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant.
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As much as I like idrA. His repeat offenses are just too much.
I support TL in this.
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On May 08 2011 19:25 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:22 JayDee_ wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 motiust wrote:On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago. Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality. However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass. Asking thousands of people to spam a TL mod with PMs is justification for perm-ban. I think idras stream should be suspended from listing as well. He will never learn if there are not real repercussions for his child like behavior. He didn't tell anyone to spam Chill. Nor did he ask them. He pointed towards the Mod who banned him from the site. Stating if they have a problem with it, ask them to lift the ban.
Yes and how many people do you think he thought would PM Chill? Only a hand full? Please. He clearly knew Chill would get hit with tons of PMs.
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Good call, I have no respect for his childish behavior no matter how good a SCII player he is. Probably should have permabanned (i.e. 2 years or so).
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Am I really sleep deprived or was this thread closed a few hours ago?
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IdrA did not tell his fans to PM Chill to troll him or flame him or harass him. He stated that if anyone had a problem with his banning to contact Chill since he was the one who banned IdrA.
I believe this was an unjust over-reacted banning because of how petty the situation was to begin with between CrunCher and IdrA.
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teamliquid.com is like kulas ravine and it's like nazgul is blinking all over idra
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On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant.
you are as wrong as you can be. IdrA`s stream is not hosted or sponsored by TL and how can you say that a Mod "just" interpretes IdrA`s statement where he called another user of the website a waste of life. This is a clear ban and maybe you should try to change your point of view and imagine IdrA came in your fanclub to call you a waste of life or something similar.
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Should've banned him until he stops acting like a 12 year old.
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Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream.
No, IdrA streams on Justin.tv, teamliquid only links to the stream via embedding them into the stream page on TL.net. If he wanted to stream he can still turn it on in justin.tv and people could look for it there, he can also alert tl.net whenever he streams via a button on the top left. He probably won't stream for a while since he's going to cast the NASL, and because of all this drama
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thread NEEDS to be locked
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On May 08 2011 19:32 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:13 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:10 habeck wrote:
WHy Chill banned Idra FOr two days? I couldn't find the info Idra called Cruncher a waste of life because he suspected Cruncher of watching his stream while they played. Chill 2 dayed him for it. Idra backed out of some streaming he said he was going to do and told people that if they were disappointed they should pm Chill about it because it was somehow Chill's fault. Nazgul 90 dayed Idra for encouraging the harassment of tl staff. Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. your are as wrong as you can be. IdrA`s stream is not hosted or sponsored by TL and hos can you say that a Mod "just" interpretes IdrA`s statement where he called another user of the website a waste of life. This is a clear ban and maybe you should try to changed your point of view and imagine if IdrA came in your fanclub to call you a waste of life or something similar.
I said the first ban was definately warranted. The 90 ban however in my opinion is not. I believe i saw a TL member say in this thread that they had removed the ads from his stream after he was banned?
I'll look for it in a second.
On May 08 2011 19:30 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:25 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:22 JayDee_ wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 motiust wrote:On May 08 2011 19:07 Silvanel wrote:On May 08 2011 19:01 motiust wrote:
Well, the TL Boss put the ban hammer on Greg but allowed his stream, i think that showed professional courtesy and Boss Mode from Nazgul. /respect!
However, Nazgul, i think your Chill mishandled on this one (he is not wrong with TL standards), from what Idra said in the post, i can only justify a warning and not a ban (because i can find alot of example of posts that is much worse than Idra's but only end up with a warning), maybe Chill had previous beef with Idra and knows his personality therefore to give him a straight Ban. you know, all this could of been avoid if Chill warn Greg 1st and if he carries on than the Ban wouldn't upset this many people.
you see; whos the bad guy now? properly depends on who you ask but Chill would definitely on a safer side if he warn Greg 1st.
Idra has a history of temp bans and warnings on TL, and obviously every misconduct reduce the treshhold for new ones. If he wasnt a famous player he would be operma banned long time ago. Penalty should only be considered on one individual's specific action and not their personality. However i do suspect Chill is working base on your theory which lead to this mass. Asking thousands of people to spam a TL mod with PMs is justification for perm-ban. I think idras stream should be suspended from listing as well. He will never learn if there are not real repercussions for his child like behavior. He didn't tell anyone to spam Chill. Nor did he ask them. He pointed towards the Mod who banned him from the site. Stating if they have a problem with it, ask them to lift the ban. Yes and how many people do you think he thought would PM Chill? Only a hand full? Please. He clearly knew Chill would get hit with tons of PMs.
Isn't that a good thing?
So many people think his ban is a complete joke and thereby proving his point? I fail to see the problem.
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