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On June 27 2012 06:43 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 06:40 XeliN wrote:Oh i just learnt about this total biscuit thing. My 2cents (which when converted are worth one singular glistening pound!) It is completely clear that he did intend or even register anything resembling homophobia when using the word. Now if you wish to criticise the use of faggot, faggotry or any other instantiation in a wider sense and how it should not be accepted that is fine an justified. As to total biscuits guilt in this i would contend he has and should feel none. Poor choice of words, absolutely. A shame that words like this are used with such frequency when they are... at their root... derogatory homophobic and insulting. Absolutely. Did total biscuit mean, insinuate or even register homophobia or any insinuation when calling the person he did a "Faggot"? No, No, and extremely unlikely//No. That for me would be the end of the matter in terms of him personally, and i dont even like him much although i have never met him and opinions are kinda easily formed  As i said before in my post the word faggot or fag is often and widely used in some areas of the UK or demographics simply to mean annoying.... consider the phrase "He is an ass" it is often used in my experience in a similar way to that and it seems kinda clear from the context this is the case here. Same defence as the people who defended orb used i said nigger but im not a racist - everyone condemns him Totalbiscuit says faggot but im not a homophobe - mixed response at best.
If i was held to some kind of standard for every sentiment i have ever expressed, whether ironically, in jest, in anger, upset or otherwise.
I would be a racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic.
Now I am none of these things, and from what ive seen of the orb thing (i broswed it to try to respond to you, wasnt aware of it before) the claim that he is therefore racist as a result of it would justify me to be all the things i have listed above.
I personally find it alot more difficult to disassociate the term "nigger" from considerations of race or racism than i do the term "fag" from considerations of sexuality or homophobia, but im aware, due to the nature of language and its use, that this will be unique for every person who views and considers it.
Whats more important to me is a persons intent, knowledge and understanding in typing or saying what they do to assess their guilt or form judgements on them based on it. Which is why I "defend" total biscuit here as i percieve zero homophobia in the context of what he said. With orb it is slightly more difficult given the term nigger for me is often more directly associated, but given the context I would say the same.
Both seem blown way beyond proportion (which by the way is an amazing euphemism  )
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On June 27 2012 07:29 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 06:43 Zaros wrote:On June 27 2012 06:40 XeliN wrote:Oh i just learnt about this total biscuit thing. My 2cents (which when converted are worth one singular glistening pound!) It is completely clear that he did intend or even register anything resembling homophobia when using the word. Now if you wish to criticise the use of faggot, faggotry or any other instantiation in a wider sense and how it should not be accepted that is fine an justified. As to total biscuits guilt in this i would contend he has and should feel none. Poor choice of words, absolutely. A shame that words like this are used with such frequency when they are... at their root... derogatory homophobic and insulting. Absolutely. Did total biscuit mean, insinuate or even register homophobia or any insinuation when calling the person he did a "Faggot"? No, No, and extremely unlikely//No. That for me would be the end of the matter in terms of him personally, and i dont even like him much although i have never met him and opinions are kinda easily formed As i said before in my post the word faggot or fag is often and widely used in some areas of the UK or demographics simply to mean annoying.... consider the phrase "He is an ass" it is often used in my experience in a similar way to that and it seems kinda clear from the context this is the case here. Same defence as the people who defended orb used i said nigger but im not a racist - everyone condemns him Totalbiscuit says faggot but im not a homophobe - mixed response at best. If i was held to some kind of standard for every sentiment i have ever expressed, whether ironically, in jest, in anger, upset or otherwise. I would be a racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic.
Irregardless of jest, anger or irony, if you were a public speaker and said things that are "racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic" then you would be ostracized, lose your job, never be hired again and possibly put in prison (depending on nationality).
The fact that you mention all those things that you've supposedly said in private paints a very disgusting view of your personality in general. I've never, and i have never met anyone, who has felt the need to express hate-filled language in private or otherwise at the level that you described of yourself for any reason. Why should anyone be so immature as to feel the need to attack minority groups in order to express anger? It's the height of ignorance or stupidity, your pick.
I have a nice patronizing poem for you that I learned from a 3rd grade teacher:
Watch your thoughts: They become your words.
Watch your words: They become your actions.
Watch your actions: They become your habits.
Watch your habits: They become your character.
Watch your character: It becomes your destiny.
If you've studied modern social history whatsoever, you would know that there is a direct correlation between the use of hate speech and acts of hate violence. The fewer incidents or hate speech, the fewer incidents of hate violence. Hmmm coincidence? Please stop trying to justify immoral and disgusting behavior. Thanks.
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On June 27 2012 07:22 Axero wrote:
I want to turn the word labradoodle into an insult. I think that would be amazing.
Relevant to topic:
Anything I have to say is basically just going to echo what everyone else is saying. It was blown out of proportion by someone who felt like doing a bit of vigilante modding.
Your such a labradoodle.
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To be honest watchin' the clip Iyer posted I'm actually in agreement with Totalbiscuit. Words are only derogatory because you give them the power to be such. If you just ignore it and let it go the word loses all its power. Does that help people with a low self conscience? Yes and no. Immediately as in tomorrow no it won't, but go down the road some if you don't let the word gain power and it loses power you actually end up helpin' them even more than tryin' to get people not to use it. There is a lot of derogatory speech that doesn't exist anymore because it just lost power. In all honesty I believe gay and faggot will eventually be a dyin' fad to use in a derogatory manor.
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On June 27 2012 11:08 Troxle wrote:
To be honest watchin' the clip Iyer posted I'm actually in agreement with Totalbiscuit. Words are only derogatory because you give them the power to be such. If you just ignore it and let it go the word loses all its power. Does that help people with a low self conscience? Yes and no. Immediately as in tomorrow no it won't, but go down the road some if you don't let the word gain power and it loses power you actually end up helpin' them even more than tryin' to get people not to use it. There is a lot of derogatory speech that doesn't exist anymore because it just lost power. In all honesty I believe gay and faggot will eventually be a dyin' fad to use in a derogatory manor.
Im sorry Troxie but you are wrong on this. There's a reason why public figures never dare to use words like "fag" or "gay" in a derogatory way - it's because big social justice organizations and other public figures will destroy them if they do.
And there's a good reason for it.
History has proven that words are precursors and catalysts to action. It's true, for example, that if one person harmlessly calls a jew a kike in jest or uses kike in a joke it doesn't seem so bad . . . but what you don't realize is that this kind of "innocent" hate-speech gives permission for others to begin pushing the limits further and further and further. For a jew to simply "not give power" to people using the word kike is admirable, but when a mob of like-minded people start screaming "Kike! Kike!" and begin breaking windows then things get more serious, correct? We must never forget that there is a reason that words like "kike" and "fag" were invented in the first place - because people who hate minorities intended for the words to cause damage and mobilize others to do the same. You can ignore the words all you want, but the words are meant to inspire hatred in others as much as they are meant to hurt you.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you give the human species far too much credit to think that masses of people are going to guard the boundry between language and action. History has shown thousands of times, never failing, that words are the beginnings of movements of oppression.
So to reemphasize my point, there's a definite reason why we have big social justice organizations like the NAACP and the Gay Rights Momevent going after people who use hate-speech in any form. Unfortunately, many people in our own community take these organizations and their work for granted . . .
Let's try and not forget the many people that have made sacrifices over the years in order for us not to be stoned in the fucking street. It seems rude and disrespectful to me personally for anyone, especially in our own community, to just dismiss the work that people have done trying to contain hate-speech by emphatically stating things like: "I know! We should just ignore it!", or: "It's ok, I know he's not a racist so he can call people niggers!" etc etc. The use of the word "nigger" did not go away by itself, and neither will the use of "faggot" or "gay (derogatory form)".
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In my opinion, the LGBT society has not come far enough to where we can condemn the words fag, faggot, or to a lesser (and much less bad sounding) extent, gay.
It is the consensus of the general population that calling someone a fag or a faggot does not merit a reasonable amount of backlash. To me, that does make me feel like a second-class citizen, because someone calling someone a nigger or something of the like is met with that backlash while we are not.
However, to be offended and outraged is not in my opinion the system that we should be going by. The civil rights movement won out because they pushed very little back, but made their presence known. It is my belief that if we as a group simply poke and prod at the incorrectness of everyday speech such as TB's use of the word fag, it will get fixed. And by poke and prod, I don't mean to put in big debates and things. Anytime you hear someone use the word fag or faggot, or gay in a derogatory term. Ask them not to.
Peace begets peace, and there are many of us who stand for extreme peace. I encourage all of you to go to twitter, and simply send a tweet to TB, or Destiny, or anyone you hear using derogatory terms and simply have it say something like "Hey, TB. I heard you call someone a faggot on stream today. Could you try not to do that in the future?"
It's peaceful. It's to the point. It's not aggressive. And if enough (usually just one) do it, it will stick with somebody. Imagine back in the 1960's. I doubt the black community got anywhere by verbally reprimanding someone from using the word nigger.
TL;DR. Just tweet or ask in chat for people not to use words you don't like (Faggot, Nigger, Retarded, etc. etc.) and if they completely straight out say "Dude fuck you i'll use whatever the fuck language I want." and proceed to call you names etc. etc. be the bigger man and turn off the stream, because whoever you were watching is clearly not worth your time.
Love you all. <3
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On June 27 2012 13:33 Silverfoxx wrote:
In my opinion, the LGBT society has not come far enough to where we can condemn the words fag, faggot, or to a lesser (and much less bad sounding) extent, gay.
It is the consensus of the general population that calling someone a fag or a faggot does not merit a reasonable amount of backlash. To me, that does make me feel like a second-class citizen, because someone calling someone a nigger or something of the like is met with that backlash while we are not.
However, to be offended and outraged is not in my opinion the system that we should be going by. The civil rights movement won out because they pushed very little back, but made their presence known. It is my belief that if we as a group simply poke and prod at the incorrectness of everyday speech such as TB's use of the word fag, it will get fixed. And by poke and prod, I don't mean to put in big debates and things. Anytime you hear someone use the word fag or faggot, or gay in a derogatory term. Ask them not to.
Peace begets peace, and there are many of us who stand for extreme peace. I encourage all of you to go to twitter, and simply send a tweet to TB, or Destiny, or anyone you hear using derogatory terms and simply have it say something like "Hey, TB. I heard you call someone a faggot on stream today. Could you try not to do that in the future?"
It's peaceful. It's to the point. It's not aggressive. And if enough (usually just one) do it, it will stick with somebody. Imagine back in the 1960's. I doubt the black community got anywhere by verbally reprimanding someone from using the word nigger.
TL;DR. Just tweet or ask in chat for people not to use words you don't like (Faggot, Nigger, Retarded, etc. etc.) and if they completely straight out say "Dude fuck you i'll use whatever the fuck language I want." and proceed to call you names etc. etc. be the bigger man and turn off the stream, because whoever you were watching is clearly not worth your time.
Love you all. <3
Well, with SC2 casters, I feel like the option of turning off MLG is a shitty one. TB won't apologize or take any concession that he could have done better. If the greater SC2 community is dismissive of these sorts of issues, what recourse is there but to let e-sports run its course? Remember what happened with Tekken this year? http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games
What do people think about pushing to form a community or site specifically for LGBT and/or "minority" persons, e.g., women, whatever ethnic groups, etc. Could also be an advocacy unit, event/charity organization hub, etc.
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Pushing off MLG is difficult, but I think MLG would have it's own problems with Totalbiscuit if he ever spoke like that up on stage. It is off-stage where we should be changing people's thoughts and words. So he doesn't apologize so what. he could never apologize for it for all I care. What I want, is for him to stop doing it.
As for creating a community... well, we have our TL community right here, with SC2 to tie us together and run it's course. the unfortunate part about creating an entire site specifically for, say, LGBT people, or a certain ethnicity, etc. etc. is that it tends to turn into a soapbox of preaching about things and it's not really interesting to read for the average person. those sites do exist though, and if you'd like (just send me a PM) I could most likely help you find one that pertains to you in particular.
And I don't suggest ignoring it until some big event happens (Some pro-gamer starts streaming with a sign overlay that says "God Hates Fags" or whatever). I suggest taking small events and poking and prodding them into non-existence in any way you can, but to not be aggressive. Take the Gandhi approach and just be the better person.
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On June 27 2012 14:10 Silverfoxx wrote:
Pushing off MLG is difficult, but I think MLG would have it's own problems with Totalbiscuit if he ever spoke like that up on stage. It is off-stage where we should be changing people's thoughts and words. So he doesn't apologize so what. he could never apologize for it for all I care. What I want, is for him to stop doing it.
As for creating a community... well, we have our TL community right here, with SC2 to tie us together and run it's course. the unfortunate part about creating an entire site specifically for, say, LGBT people, or a certain ethnicity, etc. etc. is that it tends to turn into a soapbox of preaching about things and it's not really interesting to read for the average person. those sites do exist though, and if you'd like (just send me a PM) I could most likely help you find one that pertains to you in particular.
And I don't suggest ignoring it until some big event happens (Some pro-gamer starts streaming with a sign overlay that says "God Hates Fags" or whatever). I suggest taking small events and poking and prodding them into non-existence in any way you can, but to not be aggressive. Take the Gandhi approach and just be the better person.
I agree with that philosophy Silver (after all, look at my tag-line). However, it should be noted that though Gandhi was against all forms of violence, he was still a radical figure and very outspoken. He constantly criticized policies that he felt were unjust or discriminitory, and he stood up against British imperalism and racism. What some people are saying here - speaking out against injustice towards LGBT people - it's exactly what Gandhi would do in the same position.
Being "ok" with using "fag" or "gay (derogatory)" is a social injustice to this community and it should be condemned. Hence people condemning Totalbiscuit, as he deserves.
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Well, I've been a member of the WoW guild Taint for many years, and its hardly a soapbox. People discuss WoW news in the forums, make groups, etc, and its grown to over 7,000 members. I actually talked about this on a WoW podcast, Rawrcast, when someone was asking why even have an LGBT guild. http://www.rawrcast.com/2010/06/episode-75-yiffers-and-drippers/ My point is that building a solid community that shares your ideals and sensitivities is one way with dealing with a poor community.
Now, I want to disclose that I've just made a TL account and am using r/starcraft to form my opinion, which may be many times worse. If you have specific sites or something that you don't want to post for some reason, yeah, go ahead and PM me, but I don't think there exists an LGBT (etc) StarCraft site or organization specifically, or at least not one that is very public.
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On June 27 2012 13:33 Silverfoxx wrote:
The civil rights movement won out because they pushed very little back, but made their presence known. It is my belief that if we as a group simply poke and prod at the incorrectness of everyday speech such as TB's use of the word fag, it will get fixed. And by poke and prod, I don't mean to put in big debates and things. Anytime you hear someone use the word fag or faggot, or gay in a derogatory term. Ask them not to.
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It's peaceful. It's to the point. It's not aggressive. And if enough (usually just one) do it, it will stick with somebody. Imagine back in the 1960's. I doubt the black community got anywhere by verbally reprimanding someone from using the word nigger.
I wanted to respond to this separately, because this is an understandable misconception. I wish life were as you've suggested - that people would respond to peace with peace. But that's not the reality that we live in.
The civil rights movement was not at all how you've described it. In the 60's it was an in-your-face, march-on-washington, violent struggle by blacks for human rights and against widespread racism. Many people were killed, including - to reinforce the point - Martin Luther King himself. The U.S. government had to bring in the national guard to restore order on MANY occasions. The black community had to fight tooth-and-nail every fucking inch of the way to get any progress. So let's not look back at history with rose colored glasses (no pun intended).
And for the record, the black community got very far by harshly, screaming-their-lungs-out condeming people using the word "nigger". Those activists are the reason why the word is not used today.
Human beings are not as smart as my fellow community members are giving them credit for . . . people do not respond well to peace - even Gandhi knew that. To achieve social progress people have to mobilize and take action, including harsh condemnation of racism, prejeduce and unjust behavior. There is a difference between activism and violence. Activism is a peaceful activity that is loud and gets results. Being quiet and polite does not work. History is my witness.
Edit: I realize that I've really been hammering on people who have been chiming in on the TB issue. I don't enjoy it, but I really have no choice but to address factually incorrect, illogical and/or irrational statements regarding civil rights, the LGBT progressive movement and justification of hate-speech (all contexts). It's one thing to have an opinion on a subject based on evidence, but quite another to form an opinion based on misconceptions, untruth or (apparently) social brain-washing. Sorry to seem harsh, but nothing I've said regarding history can be refuted. It does make me sad to feel at odds with some fellow gaymers :-/
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On June 27 2012 09:43 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 07:29 XeliN wrote:On June 27 2012 06:43 Zaros wrote:On June 27 2012 06:40 XeliN wrote:Oh i just learnt about this total biscuit thing. My 2cents (which when converted are worth one singular glistening pound!) It is completely clear that he did intend or even register anything resembling homophobia when using the word. Now if you wish to criticise the use of faggot, faggotry or any other instantiation in a wider sense and how it should not be accepted that is fine an justified. As to total biscuits guilt in this i would contend he has and should feel none. Poor choice of words, absolutely. A shame that words like this are used with such frequency when they are... at their root... derogatory homophobic and insulting. Absolutely. Did total biscuit mean, insinuate or even register homophobia or any insinuation when calling the person he did a "Faggot"? No, No, and extremely unlikely//No. That for me would be the end of the matter in terms of him personally, and i dont even like him much although i have never met him and opinions are kinda easily formed As i said before in my post the word faggot or fag is often and widely used in some areas of the UK or demographics simply to mean annoying.... consider the phrase "He is an ass" it is often used in my experience in a similar way to that and it seems kinda clear from the context this is the case here. Same defence as the people who defended orb used i said nigger but im not a racist - everyone condemns him Totalbiscuit says faggot but im not a homophobe - mixed response at best. If i was held to some kind of standard for every sentiment i have ever expressed, whether ironically, in jest, in anger, upset or otherwise. I would be a racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic. Irregardless of jest, anger or irony, if you were a public speaker and said things that are "racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic" then you would be ostracized, lose your job, never be hired again and possibly put in prison (depending on nationality). The fact that you mention all those things that you've supposedly said in private paints a very disgusting view of your personality in general. I've never, and i have never met anyone, who has felt the need to express hate-filled language in private or otherwise at the level that you described of yourself for any reason. Why should anyone be so immature as to feel the need to attack minority groups in order to express anger? It's the height of ignorance or stupidity, your pick. I have a nice patronizing poem for you that I learned from a 3rd grade teacher: Watch your thoughts: They become your words. Watch your words: They become your actions. Watch your actions: They become your habits. Watch your habits: They become your character. Watch your character: It becomes your destiny. If you've studied modern social history whatsoever, you would know that there is a direct correlation between the use of hate speech and acts of hate violence. The fewer incidents or hate speech, the fewer incidents of hate violence. Hmmm coincidence? Please stop trying to justify immoral and disgusting behavior. Thanks.
I was trying to be completely honest, I have probably in the totality of my experience, especially on the internet but probably in normal life as well in some way, expressed things that could be described as all of those.
One point I was trying to illustrate is that it is wrong to judge someones personality, being, beliefs values and attitude by an offhand comment they make at the end of a frustrating starcraft game, or when comdeming a person they are sickened by who is taking advantage of people giving to charity.
Or even to judge my personality as being digustingly displayed given you have zero idea of the context, and I guess that above all is what in mainly trying to stress. Context.
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On June 27 2012 15:28 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 09:43 SCST wrote:On June 27 2012 07:29 XeliN wrote:On June 27 2012 06:43 Zaros wrote:On June 27 2012 06:40 XeliN wrote:Oh i just learnt about this total biscuit thing. My 2cents (which when converted are worth one singular glistening pound!) It is completely clear that he did intend or even register anything resembling homophobia when using the word. Now if you wish to criticise the use of faggot, faggotry or any other instantiation in a wider sense and how it should not be accepted that is fine an justified. As to total biscuits guilt in this i would contend he has and should feel none. Poor choice of words, absolutely. A shame that words like this are used with such frequency when they are... at their root... derogatory homophobic and insulting. Absolutely. Did total biscuit mean, insinuate or even register homophobia or any insinuation when calling the person he did a "Faggot"? No, No, and extremely unlikely//No. That for me would be the end of the matter in terms of him personally, and i dont even like him much although i have never met him and opinions are kinda easily formed As i said before in my post the word faggot or fag is often and widely used in some areas of the UK or demographics simply to mean annoying.... consider the phrase "He is an ass" it is often used in my experience in a similar way to that and it seems kinda clear from the context this is the case here. Same defence as the people who defended orb used i said nigger but im not a racist - everyone condemns him Totalbiscuit says faggot but im not a homophobe - mixed response at best. If i was held to some kind of standard for every sentiment i have ever expressed, whether ironically, in jest, in anger, upset or otherwise. I would be a racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic. Irregardless of jest, anger or irony, if you were a public speaker and said things that are "racist, nazi sympathising, totalitarian, homophobic, anti semitic, sexist, callously demeaning the disabled and infirm, and with opinions bordering on the psychopathic" then you would be ostracized, lose your job, never be hired again and possibly put in prison (depending on nationality). The fact that you mention all those things that you've supposedly said in private paints a very disgusting view of your personality in general. I've never, and i have never met anyone, who has felt the need to express hate-filled language in private or otherwise at the level that you described of yourself for any reason. Why should anyone be so immature as to feel the need to attack minority groups in order to express anger? It's the height of ignorance or stupidity, your pick. I have a nice patronizing poem for you that I learned from a 3rd grade teacher: Watch your thoughts: They become your words. Watch your words: They become your actions. Watch your actions: They become your habits. Watch your habits: They become your character. Watch your character: It becomes your destiny. If you've studied modern social history whatsoever, you would know that there is a direct correlation between the use of hate speech and acts of hate violence. The fewer incidents or hate speech, the fewer incidents of hate violence. Hmmm coincidence? Please stop trying to justify immoral and disgusting behavior. Thanks. I was trying to be completely honest, I have probably in the totality of my experience, especially on the internet but probably in normal life as well in some way, expressed things that could be described as all of those. One point I was trying to illustrate is that it is wrong to judge someones personality, being, beliefs values and attitude by an offhand comment they make at the end of a frustrating starcraft game, or when comdeming a person they are sickened by who is taking advantage of people giving to charity. Or even to judge my personality as being digustingly displayed given you have zero idea of the context, and I guess that above all is what in mainly trying to stress. Context.
I understand what you're saying, and I have no doubt that you are not some evil person who believes in the things you've said. That doesn't excuse you from being judged, however, when you self-proclaim that you have done/said hateful things (regardless of context).
Statements like: "I'm not racist, but . . . you're a nigger, he's a kike, she's a faggot" does not excuse that language no matter what the reason. There is a common dissociation in people who claim what you're claiming, that because "I didn't mean for it to hurt" implies that it's ok to continue the behavior. You hurt someone, irregardless of whether you meant it or not. You also helped others who may have more insidious intentions feel more comfortable saying the same shit in a way meant to be hurtful. So yes, I and everyone in the LGBT community have a personal stake involved when some idiot chooses to call people "faggots". Does this make sense?
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why is this on a Korean pro gamming site lol???????
User was temp banned for this post.
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I find it interesting that TB doesn't know how to control his tongue. As the Bible says, "Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble." People like Day9 can turn bad language on and off at will, and I know people in real life who also are quite capable of stopping their use of bad language when I ask them to. Unless it wasn't a slip of the tongue, in which case he as a public figure should ideally refrain from cussing in public, and will get himself in trouble if he continues to do so.
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Irregardless isnt a proper word.
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People dont need to be given a history lesson just because they dont share the same sentiments as you of the words fag, faggot, queer or homo. There doesnt need to be some silly gay crusade everytime someone uses one of those words.
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On June 27 2012 22:15 Axero wrote:
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People dont need to be given a history lesson just because they dont share the same sentiments as you of the words fag, faggot, queer or homo. There doesnt need to be some silly gay crusade everytime someone uses one of those words.
This entirely.
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On June 27 2012 22:22 RoMGraViTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 22:15 Axero wrote:
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People dont need to be given a history lesson just because they dont share the same sentiments as you of the words fag, faggot, queer or homo. There doesnt need to be some silly gay crusade everytime someone uses one of those words. This entirely.
Disagree entirely. It's not his fault you don't understand the implications of the words involved.
When you've been attacked in public both physically/verbally with those words, come back to me and tell me what you think.
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On June 27 2012 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 22:22 RoMGraViTy wrote:On June 27 2012 22:15 Axero wrote:
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People dont need to be given a history lesson just because they dont share the same sentiments as you of the words fag, faggot, queer or homo. There doesnt need to be some silly gay crusade everytime someone uses one of those words. This entirely. Disagree entirely. It's not his fault you don't understand the implications of the words involved. When you've been attacked in public both physically/verbally with those words, come back to me and tell me what you think.
Again, differing sentiments. I never said you had to agree with what I said, just like everyone doesn't need to share your view of it. Gaming communities also aren't the best places to start a world-wide gay rights movement.
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