Gay StarCraft Players - Page 295

On June 27 2012 02:18 Barburas wrote:
. . . replace nigger for faggot and most people would not find it acceptable).

On June 27 2012 04:27 R1CH wrote:
I felt his response stemmed more from his interpretation of the question as "you did bad, you should do this charity thing to make up for it", not necessarily out of any inherent dislike for LGBT charities. It's unfortunate that he doesn't seem to understand that this type of language can have a very real impact on people who have been subjected to anti-gay abuse. I do think the whole issue was perhaps blown a bit out of proportion, he does make a point that this was on a stream chat which are hardly the places where anyone goes for serious discussion, but it's still disappointing seeing it from a community figure.

These are my personal opinions and do not reflect the position of teamliquid.net or other staff.

On June 27 2012 04:46 heartbourne wrote:


I dunno, quote from the video:

"Would that kind of platitude even help?... If I'm going to support a charity, I'm going to support a charity who helps people that are genuinely actually dying from thirst and hunger in third world countries."

To me, that sounds dismissive on the merit of the charity. "Genuinely, actually" LGBT-relevant charities do good work.

On June 27 2012 02:00 Iyerbeth wrote:


I think that's unlikely. Firstly because fag has no connection to gay at all in the UK so it seems odd there should be a connection at all. The term in old English does mean something like bundles of sticks/twigs, but I don't think homosexuality was ever punished with burning* so I'd be surprised if that were the cause.

Edit: *in England.

Second edit: Not related to the above, but I've also literally never heard anyone use the word fag to mean gay offline. That's not to say there aren't a whole host of other words used though unfortunately.

On June 27 2012 05:01 XeliN wrote:


I've heard fag used as a derogatory term quite often... often in similar vain as calling someone a dick, or annoying.

On June 27 2012 05:01 XeliN wrote:


I've heard fag used as a derogatory term quite often... often in similar vain as calling someone a dick, or annoying.

On June 27 2012 01:54 Roe wrote:

I've heard that the reason people call gays fags is because they used to burn homosexuals as timber. Then people would use 'fag' to mean cigarette. Is that true?

faggot (1)
late 13c., "bundle of twigs bound up," from O.Fr. fagot "bundle of sticks" (13c.), of uncertain origin, probably from It. faggotto, dim. of V.L. *facus, from L. fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces). Especially used for burning heretics (emblematic of this from 1550s), so that phrase fire and faggot was used to indicate "punishment of a heretic." Heretics who recanted were required to wear an embroidered figure of a faggot on their sleeve, as an emblem and reminder of what they deserved.

faggot (2)
"male homosexual," 1914, Amer.Eng. slang (shortened form fag is from 1921), probably from earlier contemptuous term for "woman" (1590s), especially an old and unpleasant one, in reference to faggot (1) "bundle of sticks," as something awkward that has to be carried (cf. baggage "worthless woman," 1590s). It may also be reinforced by Yiddish faygele "homosexual," lit. "little bird." It also may have roots in British public school slang fag "a junior who does certain duties for a senior" (1785), with suggestions of "catamite," from fag (v.). This also was used as a verb.

He [the prefect] used to fag me to blow the chapel organ for him. ["Boy's Own Paper," 1889]

Other obsolete senses of faggot were "man hired into military service simply to fill out the ranks at muster" (1700) and "vote manufactured for party purposes" (1817). The oft-heard statement that male homosexuals were called faggots in reference to their being burned at the stake is an etymological urban legend. Burning was sometimes a punishment meted out to homosexuals in Christian Europe (on the suggestion of the Biblical fate of Sodom and Gomorrah), but in England, where parliament had made homosexuality a capital offense in 1533, hanging was the method prescribed. Any use of faggot in connection with public executions had long become an English historical obscurity by the time the word began to be used for "male homosexual" in 20th century American slang, whereas the contemptuous slang word for "woman" (and the other possible sources or influences listed here) was in active use. It was used in this sense in early 20c. by D.H. Lawrence and James Joyce, among others.

On June 27 2012 06:40 XeliN wrote:
Oh i just learnt about this total biscuit thing.

My 2cents (which when converted are worth one singular glistening pound!)

It is completely clear that he did intend or even register anything resembling homophobia when using the word. Now if you wish to criticise the use of faggot, faggotry or any other instantiation in a wider sense and how it should not be accepted that is fine an justified.

As to total biscuits guilt in this i would contend he has and should feel none. Poor choice of words, absolutely. A shame that words like this are used with such frequency when they are... at their root... derogatory homophobic and insulting. Absolutely.

Did total biscuit mean, insinuate or even register homophobia or any insinuation when calling the person he did a "Faggot"?
No, No, and extremely unlikely//No.

That for me would be the end of the matter in terms of him personally, and i dont even like him much although i have never met him and opinions are kinda easily formed

As i said before in my post the word faggot or fag is often and widely used in some areas of the UK or demographics simply to mean annoying.... consider the phrase "He is an ass" it is often used in my experience in a similar way to that and it seems kinda clear from the context this is the case here.