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Czech Republic18921 Posts
You guys are the biggest elitist shits I've ever seen, rofl.
Let's just look at this. He's starting a regular Dota 2 show in 2017. The show will take A LOT of effort to make (schedule to keep, prepare, cooperate with purge, etc.). At the same time, he could easily just stream Hearthstone (where he already has an established fanbase) with a fraction of the effort and likely get more viewers than this thing. Or he could get into Overwatch while it still is in the honeymoon period. Which would even be in line with his Blizzard games fanbase. Or literally anything fucking else. Day9 is entertaining on stream, he could make Minecraft Let's PLays and make more money than doing this.
Seriously, how you cynical fuckers can call this opportunistic is beyond me.
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On January 10 2017 02:20 cecek wrote:
You guys are the biggest elitist shits I've ever seen, rofl.
Let's just look at this. He's starting a regular Dota 2 show in 2017. The show will take A LOT of effort to make (schedule to keep, prepare, cooperate with purge, etc.). At the same time, he could easily just stream Hearthstone (where he already has an established fanbase) with a fraction of the effort and likely get more viewers than this thing. Or he could get into Overwatch while it still is in the honeymoon period. Which would even be in line with his Blizzard games fanbase. Or literally anything fucking else. Day9 is entertaining on stream, he could make Minecraft Let's PLays and make more money than doing this.
Seriously, how you cynical fuckers can call this opportunistic is beyond me.
Well, the word opportunistic is pretty innocent isnt it? Just means to take advantage of favorable circumstances to do whatever you wanted to do. Maybe you're reading judgemental connotation into a word where none was meant. Or maybe people are judgemental. Who knows XD
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On January 10 2017 03:23 smilingjuggernaut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 02:20 cecek wrote:
You guys are the biggest elitist shits I've ever seen, rofl.
Let's just look at this. He's starting a regular Dota 2 show in 2017. The show will take A LOT of effort to make (schedule to keep, prepare, cooperate with purge, etc.). At the same time, he could easily just stream Hearthstone (where he already has an established fanbase) with a fraction of the effort and likely get more viewers than this thing. Or he could get into Overwatch while it still is in the honeymoon period. Which would even be in line with his Blizzard games fanbase. Or literally anything fucking else. Day9 is entertaining on stream, he could make Minecraft Let's PLays and make more money than doing this.
Seriously, how you cynical fuckers can call this opportunistic is beyond me. Well, the word opportunistic is pretty innocent isnt it? Just means to take advantage of favorable circumstances to do whatever you wanted to do. Maybe you're reading judgemental connotation into a word where none was meant. Or maybe people are judgemental. Who knows XD
there is no way u can argue that the word opportunistic doesnt have negative connotations to it
especially when most dictionary definitions are
"Exploiting immediate opportunities, especially regardless of planning or principle"
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I'm kinda hoping this is Day9 bringing personality to purge. Like go through a replay and do his pause and "let's think" discussing decisions. He can start small with csing under towers and eventually move into when to group and drafting. Day9 was great at looking at both the technical and decision making involved in SC and I feel like it can translate really well if he applies himself with the same passion. Plus if slacks can succeed with this game, Day9 can.
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Everyone please remain seated , this cup of tea is going through some turbulence.
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On January 07 2017 17:10 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 08:11 Murlox wrote:
I used to really love the SCBW dailies, and early SC2 aswell.....
.....This move looks very opportunistic to me. Don't like it. This. I loved his SC shows as well, but always hated his completely lack of criticism towards the clear flaws in the game, that eventually led it to the pseudo dead game (popular and competitive wise) that is today. Such AMAZING franchise that got millions of players from the get go, but went to the abandon due to awful design flaws. Now, Day9. Zero critisism. So you love the game as it is, right? "Passion"... Flash foward: Sc2 popularity and competitive scene: dead. Day9? Abandon ship, going to the next popular game... Yeah, passion...
Day9 stopped doing dailies because he got a full-time job as a game designer for Artillery Games. As Day9 explained many times through his daily making career, he spent many hours preparing dailies, it was like a full-time job for him. So when he got a full time job with Artillery Games, he no longer had time to prepare dailies. So he started streaming Hearthstone because it didn't require extensive preparation. Day9's show was a strategy based show, meant to teach you STRATEGY on how to play Starcraft 2 better. If you wanted to watch someone complain about the game 24/7, you could go watch Avilo. How people get off insinuating him having interest in another game is somehow negatively opportunistic is absolutely insane, especially since he left Artillery Games a while ago. How is this any different from Redeye hosting less SC2 to host Dota 2 without having been part of the communtiy for years and years.
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I loved Day9's dailys and I will surely love this show. Just because he is a very entertaining and despite his success (both ingame during "his days" as well as on his many shows) somehow genuine and down to earth person. I seldomly saw such a fundamentally positive player/caster/"talent" (I don't like the last word in this usage ... but w/e :D).
Him coming to Dota is definatelly a win for the community. His views on strategy can certainly add more depth to how the game is played. A fresh, but experienced mind in Dota? Why not?? I mean ... I don't think he will become a top player or anything, but a really good caster and/or panel guy? Sounds great to me.
I will follow him on his path. And maybe many more SC2 players get attracted to our game as well because of him? Cool! A larger player base just means that I will have to argue less with LOL players about which game is better, because their main (and only? :D) point is usually that more people play LOL. Hehe. Bring the numbers in, Day[9]!!!
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On January 11 2017 21:33 Baradrist wrote:
I loved Day9's dailys and I will surely love this show. Just because he is a very entertaining and despite his success (both ingame during "his days" as well as on his many shows) somehow genuine and down to earth person. I seldomly saw such a fundamentally positive player/caster/"talent" (I don't like the last word in this usage ... but w/e :D).
Him coming to Dota is definatelly a win for the community. His views on strategy can certainly add more depth to how the game is played. A fresh, but experienced mind in Dota? Why not?? I mean ... I don't think he will become a top player or anything, but a really good caster and/or panel guy? Sounds great to me.
I will follow him on his path. And maybe many more SC2 players get attracted to our game as well because of him? Cool! A larger player base just means that I will have to argue less with LOL players about which game is better, because their main (and only? :D) point is usually that more people play LOL. Hehe. Bring the numbers in, Day[9]!!!
That's an optmistic view i would say. What probably will happen is that he'll make vids, he'll not add any depth to the game, might enlighten bad players, but it'll not make a difference in any place's pubs. If he get to be a regular talent in lans it'll be good for his fans and meh for whoever else. If he manages to get some people to play dota it'll be nothing too much, maybe 35k players start playing because of him but that's whatever.
All in all, it'll be new dota content, maybe a new face in lans. Nothing past this.
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i just read this forum article, why is everyone so negative? who cares about impact on pubs, he's a freaking genious/great character. even if i only learn a handful of ideas/tricks (which im thinking it wont be handful, more like backpacks (see what i did there)), it will be to everyones benefit.
you cant ask to climb a mountain without starting at the bottom - lighten up people and embrace what is to come
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its not everyone its pretty much Murlox.
Redeye is like now the go to host for professional attitude and presentation, he did mainly pure SC2 for quite a while. He switched to Dota2 with basically zero game knowledge and he's now regarded as one of the better and more enjoyable hosts.
Day9 isnt even getting anything out of this right now expect some viewers on his stream that he would probably normally get, its not like hes said "hey im jumping into dota please throw money and casting opportunities at me!"
If you listen to him talk about dota hes been privately playing atm and just enjoying a new style of mechanics and how its cool. He just wants to improve at a hard game thats pretty much why he loved broodwar.
Even if he eventually gets casting opportunities, who the fuck cares, it will be because the fans want it.
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On January 12 2017 00:20 Pontual wrote:
That's an optmistic view i would say. What probably will happen is that he'll make vids, he'll not add any depth to the game, might enlighten bad players, but it'll not make a difference in any place's pubs. If he get to be a regular talent in lans it'll be good for his fans and meh for whoever else. If he manages to get some people to play dota it'll be nothing too much, maybe 35k players start playing because of him but that's whatever.
All in all, it'll be new dota content, maybe a new face in lans. Nothing past this.
Thats a pessimistic view i would say :D.
People severely underestimate what it takes to be one of the best starcraft players in the foreign scene. Look at me vs day9:
Day9: 100 hours of dota (guess)
Me: 4000 hours
Day9: Years of experience competing at the highest level
Me: 0 experience.
Its the same when Kasper Hvidt (one of the greatest handball goalkeepers ever) wants to help counter-strike players perform their best. He doesn't know shit about CS (compared to the pros) but he has a lot of experience in competition, and that experience is super valuable for Astralis and the other players.
Day9 probably won't tell me anything mechanical about Dota2 that i dont know already, but he very likely will help me gain different perspective on different parts of the game which in turn helps me improve as a player.
Also, this is Day9 and Purge, two pretty big community figures, if they make a show that blows up, the effect could be noticeable. Of course its not going to double the player count after 3 shows, but i think a lot of us kept playing SC2 ladder because of his dailies and fundays ect, probably more then people realize.
Also, if you still haven't seen Day9 talk about Dota2, you should watch some of the videos. He is shining, and to get his massive sincere enthusiasm in Dota2 is certainly good for everyone (besides the haters, but who cares about them).
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I saw a couple of vids of him talking about dota 2, is really exciting to hear this from a newcomer, made me feel proud about the game, in a certain way. And i'm excited for his series with purge. But my view is based on how series with sunsfan and synderen affected the comunity: 0 impact.
Of course Day9 is more entertaining and he has an actual fanbase, so i'm expecting to whoever watch this videos learn how to pull and how to read map, but those probably won't be that many.
My perspective is about the full dota scene, but personally i'm excited and probably will improve watching it. Just not expecting a revolution from it.
my previous post was pretty much out of this:
On January 11 2017 21:33 Baradrist wrote:
"Him coming to Dota is definatelly a win for the community. His views on strategy can certainly add more depth to how the game is played. A fresh, but experienced mind in Dota? Why not?? I mean ... I don't think he will become a top player or anything, but a really good caster and/or panel guy? Sounds great to me.
I will follow him on his path. And maybe many more SC2 players get attracted to our game as well because of him? Cool! A larger player base just means that I will have to argue less with LOL players about which game is better, because their main (and only? :D) point is usually that more people play LOL. Hehe. Bring the numbers in, Day[9]!!!"
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The outgroup derogation in this thread is just sad and reflective of the current state of this community. Strange to see someone who's come from the community (Teamliquid no less) is being met with so much skepticism for no valid reason.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On January 13 2017 00:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
The outgroup derogation in this thread is just sad and reflective of the current state of this community. Strange to see someone who's come from the community (Teamliquid no less) is being met with so much skepticism for no valid reason.
implying there's significant crossover between the liquiddota community and teamliquid
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Learned what is derogation today 
Don't think this thread can be considered a reflection of the state of the community. Mostly because the skeptical ones are at most, a dozen of scrubs.
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On January 13 2017 02:52 Pontual wrote:Learned what is derogation today Don't think this thread can be considered a reflection of the state of the community. Mostly because the skeptical ones are at most, a dozen of scrubs.
Well the scrubs have dominated the mood of this thread. They need a time out.
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On December 20 2016 03:09 Murlox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2016 13:32 nanaoei wrote:
don't think either of those games are his style, and he did try learning heroes of the storm, because, at the time, blizzard. Basically this, too. I wouldn't say style, I would say... league? I mean the guy is born and raised into starcraft, he breathes starcraft. He IS starcraft. And he was (seemingly, I'd imagine) willing to put a crazy amount of prep work into each dailies, which were presented brilliantly. The guy is brilliant, knowledgable, entertaining, interesting... I don't know, bold. This was very humbling, thank you Day9. And then, fast forward quite a bit, all I see is a fat lazy dude playing heartstone (I don't mean to hammer it, it's just... to catch up with my previous post). Where is Day9. So yeah, put this new Day9 into a gender he was not raised in, well, I don't know. I feel like this is just a variation of Day9 play heartstone, now Day9 plays Dota2, tomorrow Day9 teaches you how to cook. I am not hyped. Sorry for long posts, just felt like clarifying. I wish him the best anyway, probably without me.
"lazy" - he was streaming 4 times a week while working a fulltime job at artillery games for over 2 years.
tbh i cant see how day9 wouldnt be a perfect fit into dota 2, the same strategic principles applied in starcraft can easily be carried over to dota, just, similar to starcraft again, you need to pass a mechanical and knowledge boundary (macro/micro/positioning -> CSing/item+hero knowledge/positioning etc) to be able to apply those effectively
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On January 12 2017 00:20 Pontual wrote:
That's an optmistic view i would say. What probably will happen is that he'll make vids, he'll not add any depth to the game, might enlighten bad players, but it'll not make a difference in any place's pubs. If he get to be a regular talent in lans it'll be good for his fans and meh for whoever else. If he manages to get some people to play dota it'll be nothing too much, maybe 35k players start playing because of him but that's whatever.
All in all, it'll be new dota content, maybe a new face in lans. Nothing past this.
I'm not even a DOTA player (I mean this literally: I've fiddled with some of the tutorials, but that's it). I simply don't have the time between work and other hobbies. But I like watching the game.
Years ago I was a half-decent BW player, but beyond the campaigns really never got into SC2 - but Day[9] I know and I'm looking forward to what he'll do, even though I've already started watching DOTA pretty regularly
Here's what I'm getting at: The more the scene denigrates and abuses "n00bs" and "casuals" and so forth, the more you're going to turn people away and the smaller and less relevant the game stays. Watching streams, for instance, it's a big turn off to see people asking to report players just for playing badly in pub games. I get it's a team game and getting a doofus on your team is frustrating, but what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? That's not helping anything, that's just throwing a tantrum because your special self didn't get the result you wanted.
What I'm saying is I'm baffled by you and others treating it like a bad or irrelevant thing that Day[9] will (you're assuming) cater to the casual fan. For the good of the game, shouldn't that be a good thing?
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Omg this conversation is STILL going on? I saw 20 new posts and thought "hey maybe the show started airing"
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On January 16 2017 08:02 RuiBarbO wrote:
Omg this conversation is STILL going on? I saw 20 new posts and thought "hey maybe the show started airing"
It's supposed to start this Wednesday, so the wait won't be too much longer.
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