day 9 live now with a solo stream, purge is busy at DAC.

I gotta say, as much as I like Day9's dota streams, I would enjoy them more if he didn't spam viper. =/ Like any other hero, but Viper? Come oon..

Wineandbread

United States2065 Posts

March 30 2017 23:56 GMT

#129

I feel like he's losing his edge after not having had lessons for a while

I watched a bit of a WK game he played yesterday. He laned with a rhasta against a razor. He acknowledged his bad play but I think it was worse than he thought.

Right from the start he misses out on fb and gets his shaman killed because he didnt mango in time. He didnt seem to know how razor works and only read his skills once the game was over. He got something like a 13min armlet. His teamfighting targeting felt really bad, I remember one in particular he could have killed PA or somebody but Qs the razor instead and ends up dying. Granted his team wasnt doing too hot and werent that coordinated either.

Above all else, I feel that he needs greater minimap awareness, and im not sure its something purge has really emphasized.

InFiNitY[pG]

Germany3468 Posts

March 31 2017 05:59 GMT

#130

I completely agree with you, maybe Purge is intentionally ignoring this topic because it's gonna be a full lesson later on, but the first things I've noticed when watching him is he never seems to really know what he's doing. He missed countless FBs/kills on the enemy offlaner becauses he is happily trying to last hit instead of firing that stun/slow his supports would need to get in range to finish off that offlaner. He runs away a lot from fights when he's full HP and mana instead of going for it, and also very rarely joins important team fights that are close to him and/or carries a TP to join team fights. Maybe thst comes with experience, but I think that after 6 full lesssons of several hours he should be much better at this part of the game.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

March 31 2017 18:23 GMT

#131

Judging when to join a fight vs. farm is hard for an inexperienced carry.

Murlox

France1699 Posts

March 31 2017 19:16 GMT

#132

I guess map awareness will not be an issue for an ex BW player. Neither should micro ("micro"), which he does pretty well, as far as I've seen anyway

But yeah, I guess dota 2 the game requires some time before you know what's going on, I mean if he doesn't even know what a Razor does...

Overall I think he's doing ok. Rest will come with time, imo!

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

April 05 2017 20:47 GMT

#133

Is Purge coaching this week yet? Thought he might still be traveling

Kishin2

United States7534 Posts

April 05 2017 22:56 GMT

#134

Doubt Purge will be back/up for it this week.

I'm kinda amazed how slow Day9 plays Dota considering his background with starcraft. Mechanically he should be able to move the camera around and cycle through units like Arteezy does. He's definitely not experienced to use all the information from doing that kind of thing, but it's something I expected him to be doing just out of comfort.

Moobutt

United States1996 Posts

April 06 2017 00:17 GMT

#135

On April 06 2017 07:56 Kishin2 wrote:
Doubt Purge will be back/up for it this week.

I'm kinda amazed how slow Day9 plays Dota considering his background with starcraft. Mechanically he should be able to move the camera around and cycle through units like Arteezy does. He's definitely not experienced to use all the information from doing that kind of thing, but it's something I expected him to be doing just out of comfort.

It's been a good 4 years since he was seriously devoted to the starcraft scene. The mechanical skills of SC2 decay fast. Plus, the mechanical skills needed in SC2 don't translate that well. Cycling through units is useful on a handful of heroes. His camera movement is kinda weak. The game sense skills translate a bit better imo. Map sense, economic gameplay, general strategic thinking.

Murlox

France1699 Posts

April 06 2017 17:31 GMT

#136

And there is age, too.

I never was a 400 APM player but it's clear that, what, 17 years later, I would not play SC:BW the way I used to. For sure.

RuiBarbO

United States1340 Posts

April 07 2017 15:15 GMT

#137

I also find that Dota isn't a game that really lends itself to the kind of multitasking that you do in SC2, mechanically or cognitively. Particularly on the mechanical side, idk what others have found, but I feel like Dota 2's control groups and such don't work as smoothly as SC2. Lots of times when playing Meepo where the game will eat inputs and make me mess up blink-poofs. I notice that makes me play a lot slower.

Danzo

2820 Posts

April 07 2017 21:11 GMT

#138

Anyone got the feeling Day9 is already burned out with Dota? Maybe it's because he hasn't had lessons with Purge, but he seems pretty fixed on just spamming his same comfort heroes and just playing it out for one day out of the week.

Frogstomp

United States125 Posts

April 08 2017 02:06 GMT

#139

This series has been amazing so far. Day9's overall a pretty intelligent gamer. Seeing him go through the learning process - along with Purge's thorough breakdown and explanation of concepts - has been really useful AND entertaining. Could become the definitive guide to dota imo

YourGoodFriend

United States2197 Posts

April 10 2017 20:26 GMT

#140

On April 08 2017 06:11 Danzo wrote:
Anyone got the feeling Day9 is already burned out with Dota? Maybe it's because he hasn't had lessons with Purge, but he seems pretty fixed on just spamming his same comfort heroes and just playing it out for one day out of the week.

I think its more so just the way he learns, he likes to understand one concept at a time so limiting his hero pool is part of that. Also I assume he doesn't stream every time he plays so I am sure he is playing more and just not streaming it