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On September 30 2013 21:27 Metak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 20:28 Ropid wrote:
That's a CPU and board that can be overclocked. Choose a CPU without "k" at the end. Choose a board with H87 chipset. From what I've read most boards require some DSDT editing to provide proper power management when running OS X – the Z87 chipsets apparently do not require this customizing, and are therefore (at least for me as a newb) worth the extra money. Would it be possible to put a i5 4670 on it? Or would you rather recommend to get the K and OC if I'm going for that MOBO regardless? (I would be up for it if it's easy enough, but am a little scared as I've never done it before).
You can use the i5-4670. I would probably still choose the unlocked i5-4670k if you have to stay with the Z87MX-D3H. Even if you won't ever overclock, the resale value would be a bit better for this motherboard+CPU combination. You can also try to look into overclocking when you are particularly bored at one point. In a few years, you could try to get another year or two of use out of the PC. You'd need about 40 € for a strong air cooler.
If you are sure you won't overclock, personally I'd ponder if buying a Xeon E3-1230v3 might make sense. That's some sort of i7 that has integrated graphics disabled. It's 100 MHz slower than the i5-4670. Here are the specs on Intel's site: http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/
Here's the price on that site you used: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/338613/intel-xeon-e3-1230-v3-boxed.html
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On September 30 2013 21:27 Metak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 20:28 Ropid wrote:
That's a CPU and board that can be overclocked. Choose a CPU without "k" at the end. Choose a board with H87 chipset. From what I've read most boards require some DSDT editing to provide proper power management when running OS X – the Z87 chipsets apparently do not require this customizing, and are therefore (at least for me as a newb) worth the extra money. Would it be possible to put a i5 4670 on it? Or would you rather recommend to get the K and OC if I'm going for that MOBO regardless? (I would be up for it if it's easy enough, but am a little scared as I've never done it before).
I would also recommend getting another PSU. The CX series are apparently Corsair's worst line.
Here's a list that you can probably trust:
http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
Try to find a power supply from that list at a good price and you should be fine.
As far as I know, you can put the i5 4670 anywhere you can put the i5 4570k, as they're pretty much the exact same processor, the one with K just isn't locked so you can overclock it.
As for overclock itself, you can find guides on that at overclock.net.
On September 30 2013 09:54 FroZeN.Broken wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi! I'm trying to build a new computer and I really want it to be able to run SC2 at full graphic in at least 1v1 (at least 60fps). But I'm not really into computer and stuff, so I've no idea what I need. And I'll only play SC2 on it, so I don't need a super overkill computer to run all the new games and so. This is how far I've gotton:
INTEL CORE I7 4770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1550
ASUS Z87-DELUXE Z87 S-1150 ATX
CORSAIR H60 HYDRO CPU COOLER S-1150/1155/2011/AM3+
GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 760 OC 4GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI/DP
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 VENGEANCE LP PC3-12800 1600MHZ CL9 (2X8GB)
WD BLUE 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA/600 64MB
BE QUIET! PURE POWER L8 600W FIXED
ASUS VX238H-W 23" WIDE TFT LED WHITE
Ok, so I wonder if this will be enough or not. If not, then what do I need? Have I forgotten something important? And is there anything on the list that is overkill for SC2? If yes, what's the other better/cheaper choices? I think everything on list will cost around 1300 euro in my country. It's kinda a bit expensive for me, but I really don't want to risk buying a computer not good enough for SC2 on full graphic. So I picked all the parts that are a bit over the average price. Maybe the sample build for gaming enthusiast is enough for SC2 on extreme settings and it won't fall below 60 fps during a game?
Any other advices around computer for SC2 are also appreciated!
Thanks!
^^ As others have mentioned, that's pretty damn overkill. You don't need 1300€ to run SC2 at max settings.
I'm going to propose my own sample build. Not sure about prices in Sweden unfortunately (gonna pretend you're in Germany and hope the prices are roughly the same). Anyway, I'm going to assume that you're not going to overclock. If this isn't the case then you'll have to disregard my proposed rig entirely because overclocking means getting quite a lot of stuff that won't be in this build. But if you're only going to run SC2 at max settings and maybe other games such as LoL or Dota 2.. well I think you can get away with not overclocking. You'll be fine with the stock cooler as well. You can use the extra money to get an SSD, which I'll include in the build since they're so amazing (you WILL feel the difference with an SSD). Extra money can also go to a nice monitor. You didn't say anything about streaming so I'm going to assume that you're not going to do that either (for streaming hyperthreading is preferable, if you're only gaming you're good to go with an i5)(I'm not sure, but i THINK you could probably get away with an i5 for streaming).
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jh8N
755€ in Germany, not sure how close prices in Sweden are.
Went with i5-4670, probably the fastest processor you can get without overclocking. SC2 is CPU intensive after all, though if you're sticking to 1v1 I think you'll be fine. Haswell is the shit, this processor is great. 199€
Video card is a Sapphire 7870. Sapphire have good heat sinks and the 7870 is known for being pretty cost-efficient. This card should run SC2 perfectly fine at max settings. 149€
The SSD is 122€. If you can afford it, it makes a HUGE difference. You'll be rebooting your computer for fun. I threw in a hard drive as well. HDD/SSD hybrid storing seems best.
Motherboard & RAM are just motherboard and RAM. If you're not overclocking then you should be fine with this motherboard. RAM is RAM. 63€ + 67€
PSU should be fine for power, it's good and its got a very nice price tag as well. The case is a great budget case. I got this one for my own rig and I really like it. It's also really cheap compared to other stuff you might find and it's Swedish. 38€ + 45€.
I threw in an optical driver but if you don't want it don't get it.
Edit: PS, wouldn't mind someone with more experience criticizing this.
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Hi, it's me again. I've remade my choices and this is what it looks like right now:
Monitor: ASUS VG248QE 24" WIDE TFT LED 3D 144HZ BLACK (~350 euro)
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-A Z87 S-1150 ATX (~130 euro)
Processor: INTEL CORE I5 4670K 3.4GHZ 6MB S-1150 (~230 euro)
RAM: CORSAIR 8GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X4GB) (~90 euro)
GPU: GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 760 OC 2GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI/DP (~250 euro)
SSD; SAMSUNG 840 EVO 250GB SSD SATA/600 TLC (~180 euro)
HDD: WD BLUE 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA/600 64MB (~70 euro)
Power Supply: CORSAIR TX 750W V2 ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V (~110 euro)
Heatsink: NOCTUA NH-U12S S-2011/1155/1150/AM3+/FM2 (~70 euro)
Case: NZXT GUARDIAN 921RB - RED LED ATX (~85 euro)
So ~1565 euro in total. It feels kinda expensive.And I was the guy looking for Extreme graphic settings for SC2 in 1v1(at least 60 fps). Can I cut more corner somewhere and make it cheaper? Have I forgotten something? Is there anything on the list that is just bad?
Thanks once again!
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On October 01 2013 01:31 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
Hi, it's me again. I've remade my choices and this is what it looks like right now:
Monitor: ASUS VG248QE 24" WIDE TFT LED 3D 144HZ BLACK (~350 euro)
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-A Z87 S-1150 ATX (~130 euro)
Processor: INTEL CORE I5 4670K 3.4GHZ 6MB S-1150 (~230 euro)
RAM: CORSAIR 8GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X4GB) (~90 euro)
GPU: GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 760 OC 2GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI/DP (~250 euro)
SSD; SAMSUNG 840 EVO 250GB SSD SATA/600 TLC (~180 euro)
HDD: WD BLUE 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA/600 64MB (~70 euro)
Power Supply: CORSAIR TX 750W V2 ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V (~110 euro)
Heatsink: NOCTUA NH-U12S S-2011/1155/1150/AM3+/FM2 (~70 euro)
Case: NZXT GUARDIAN 921RB - RED LED ATX (~85 euro)
So ~1565 euro in total. It feels kinda expensive.And I was the guy looking for Extreme graphic settings for SC2 in 1v1(at least 60 fps). Can I cut more corner somewhere and make it cheaper? Have I forgotten something? Is there anything on the list that is just bad?
Thanks once again!
Well, though I'm not 100% sure, I think if you're just going to play 1v1 SC2 on max settings, you can get away with a mid-range gaming rig with no overclock. I proposed a build almost two times cheaper in the post right above yours.
Edit: If I remember correctly, Haswell is a tough processor to overclock as well.
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Go for the 120GB version of that Samsung SSD.
Choose HR-02 Macho CPU cooler (I think it should be stronger than the NH-U12S).
Choose a good PSU at around 500W or lower (maybe use that list Incognoto linked to in that post directly above yours).
Search for a good deal on faster RAM. I think you should be able to find something cheaper than than what you currently have on your list.
I think you can use a cheaper graphics card, but I don't quite know which one.
The PC case looks suspicious. I don't mean the looks, I think its cooling performance will not be as good as you should be able to get for that price. Look at the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2.
All the prices you list seem a bit too high. Perhaps search around for a shop that sells stuff cheaper.
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I read the blurb on motherboards and wasn't sure what to expect. I was recommended a gigabyte H86 and my friend told me I should invest more. From what it seems having a larger board increases number of PCI slots and other stuff. Could anyone do a comparison of the board to a mid tier (i'm assuming mine is lower end cause i requested budget) and explain what the higher board gives (any other reading resources would be helpful too)
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Maybe you could go for a cheaper monitor too?
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On October 01 2013 01:57 Leeoku wrote:
I read the blurb on motherboards and wasn't sure what to expect. I was recommended a gigabyte H86 and my friend told me I should invest more. From what it seems having a larger board increases number of PCI slots and other stuff. Could anyone do a comparison of the board to a mid tier (i'm assuming mine is lower end cause i requested budget) and explain what the higher board gives (any other reading resources would be helpful too)
H86 doesn't exist. You either mean H87 or H81 probably.
A larger and more expensive board gives you more slots, but every kind of expansion you could want but graphics cards and niche products (high-end capture cards, high-end PCIe SSDs, etc.) has external (usually USB) options.
You may also get more SATA ports, USB slots on the back, other things that aren't PCI or PCIe slots.
You could get a longer warranty too. The higher-end boards may be somewhat more robust in terms of hardware and construction quality, so they might be a bit less likely to fail (but there are more components there that could fail). The higher-end Z__ ones are better for overclocking and also have multiple graphics cards support, but the H__ motherboards can't / aren't supposed to support overclocking anyway. On a higher-end board, you could get more sophisticated fan controls and some other monitoring or other small perks like diagnostic LEDs.
Pretty much all the core functionality of a computer happens in parts that are connected to the motherboard or on the chipsets that are the same no matter which board you get. You can extra peripheral controller chips on more expensive boards, mostly. How likely are you to need the extra ports and slots in the future?
Every meaningful CPU upgrade these days will require a new motherboard on a new socket, so if you upgrade somewhat frequently, it's not a long-term investment.
It depends what you need. Most basic users are better off spending money where it makes actual differences for them.
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@myrm thanks for the input
Typo it was 87. So I was reading on the official website what components they actually had on a mobo compared to what I need. I don't think I'd need anything else other than a wireless card+GPU for pci slots. Other requirement I may want is as many USB ports as possible (pref 3.0). Not sure what is considered usage other than gaming (no OC since too noob), SSD and maybe duel monitors
I also read that the mobo must fit the core. So would an i5 4570 K ( I think that's the letter for preOC cores) fit?
Side question. On the official site there's a bug saying limitation with the 32bit on ram. Does that mean if i install 2x4gb ram it will still show 8gb total?
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4491#sp
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That "k" at the end shows it is a CPU that is unlocked and can be overclocked. There's no unlocked i5-4570k, only i5-4570.
You need to install 64-bit Windows. The 32-bit version will only be able to make something around 3 GB RAM available to programs. If you currently have 32-bit Windows, you can actually use your current product key for 64-bit. You don't have to buy another Windows license. You just have to download the 64-bit disc image somewhere and put its contents on a USB stick or burn it onto a DVD.
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Yes, the motherboard must fit the processor. All 4th generation processors (Core i5 4670k, 4670, 4570, 4440, 4430, Core i3 4340, etc) are LGA1150 so this means that they will fit in all Z87, H87, H81, or B85 boards.
There are no pre-overclocked processors. K suffix indicates an unlocked multiplier which means you can adjust manually increase the multiplier (overclocking) given that you have a Z87 motherboard.
32-bit operating systems are limited to 4GB of addressable memory space so you will not access to all 8GB of RAM. This is not relevant since you shouldn't be getting a 32-bit operating system.
Yes, you want as many USB ports as you use but there is no reason to prefer USB3 unless you have a bunch of external USB3 HDDs. The drivers are immature and besides external HDDs and stuff out of the ordinary, nothing benefits from it. They just become a headache. Most boards have six USB ports in total (along with the two on the front of the case, for a total of eight) which is fine I guess for the typical user with a mouse, keyboard, and printer.
Any motherboard with IGP capabilities (which is a large majority of Intel boards) in combination with a modern card can support three or more monitors.
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Is the gaming enthusiast sample build anything for me if I want to pl ya SC2 at max settings? I really don't know anything about building computer. xD Btw, yeah, the tax is damn high in Sweden.
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So with BF4 round the corner I was thinking of buying a new PC. My one currently runs BF3 easily on low settings with good FPS. It can also run it on ultra but struggles a little. However it will take me a few months to save up before I can buy it. So with that in mind, is there any parts I could buy now that would help me run BF4 better?
Specs -
Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 768MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G2000LV4GK)
MSI P55A-G55 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent SLI Certified Modular Power Supply
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS)
So yea, is there any point upgrading any of this for BF4? Or will I be better to just invest my money into buying a whole new build in a few months time?
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On October 01 2013 02:53 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
Is the gaming enthusiast sample build anything for me if I want to pl ya SC2 at max settings? I really don't know anything about building computer. xD Btw, yeah, the tax is damn high in Sweden.
Starcraft II is CPU heavy so there isn't a need for a strong video card like the 7970 or for the configuration to be SLI/Crossfire ready so you can get a quality 450w unit instead.
On October 01 2013 03:28 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So with BF4 round the corner I was thinking of buying a new PC. My one currently runs BF3 easily on low settings with good FPS. It can also run it on ultra but struggles a little. However it will take me a few months to save up before I can buy it. So with that in mind, is there any parts I could buy now that would help me run BF4 better?
Specs -
Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 768MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G2000LV4GK)
MSI P55A-G55 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent SLI Certified Modular Power Supply
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS)
So yea, is there any point upgrading any of this for BF4? Or will I be better to just invest my money into buying a whole new build in a few months time?
Get a new GPU, upgrade to 8GB of memory, and a core i5 4670k which means a new motherboard as well. But that's basically an entirely new system.
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On October 01 2013 03:38 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 02:53 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
Is the gaming enthusiast sample build anything for me if I want to pl ya SC2 at max settings? I really don't know anything about building computer. xD Btw, yeah, the tax is damn high in Sweden. Starcraft II is CPU heavy so there isn't a need for a strong video card like the 7970 or for the configuration to be SLI/Crossfire ready so you can get a quality 450w unit instead. Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 03:28 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So with BF4 round the corner I was thinking of buying a new PC. My one currently runs BF3 easily on low settings with good FPS. It can also run it on ultra but struggles a little. However it will take me a few months to save up before I can buy it. So with that in mind, is there any parts I could buy now that would help me run BF4 better?
Specs -
Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 768MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G2000LV4GK)
MSI P55A-G55 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent SLI Certified Modular Power Supply
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS)
So yea, is there any point upgrading any of this for BF4? Or will I be better to just invest my money into buying a whole new build in a few months time? Get a new GPU, upgrade to 8GB of memory, and a core i5 4670k which means a new motherboard as well. But that's basically an entirely new system.
Ha, thanks for that! Could you possibly prioritise? Such as, will just getting 8 GB of ram help me with BF4? Or just getting a better graphics card? If so, which should I go for first?
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On October 01 2013 03:40 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2013 03:38 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 02:53 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
Is the gaming enthusiast sample build anything for me if I want to pl ya SC2 at max settings? I really don't know anything about building computer. xD Btw, yeah, the tax is damn high in Sweden. Starcraft II is CPU heavy so there isn't a need for a strong video card like the 7970 or for the configuration to be SLI/Crossfire ready so you can get a quality 450w unit instead. Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 03:28 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So with BF4 round the corner I was thinking of buying a new PC. My one currently runs BF3 easily on low settings with good FPS. It can also run it on ultra but struggles a little. However it will take me a few months to save up before I can buy it. So with that in mind, is there any parts I could buy now that would help me run BF4 better?
Specs -
Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 768MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G2000LV4GK)
MSI P55A-G55 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent SLI Certified Modular Power Supply
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS)
So yea, is there any point upgrading any of this for BF4? Or will I be better to just invest my money into buying a whole new build in a few months time? Get a new GPU, upgrade to 8GB of memory, and a core i5 4670k which means a new motherboard as well. But that's basically an entirely new system. Ha, thanks for that! Could you possibly prioritise? Such as, will just getting 8 GB of ram help me with BF4? Or just getting a better graphics card? If so, which should I go for first?
Battlefield 4 is the first major game to be 64-bit rather than 32-bit so I reckon that 8GB will be necessary for smooth play in multiplayer at high settings.
AMD recently announced some of their new cards and rebrands. They aren't exactly releasing until October or a later date so I'd wait until than and see how the R9 290 (expected to be $400-$500) performs or you can go for the a Radeon HD7970 (or the refreshed version of it, the R9 280X).
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On October 01 2013 03:53 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 03:40 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2013 03:38 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 02:53 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
Is the gaming enthusiast sample build anything for me if I want to pl ya SC2 at max settings? I really don't know anything about building computer. xD Btw, yeah, the tax is damn high in Sweden. Starcraft II is CPU heavy so there isn't a need for a strong video card like the 7970 or for the configuration to be SLI/Crossfire ready so you can get a quality 450w unit instead. Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 03:28 Westy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So with BF4 round the corner I was thinking of buying a new PC. My one currently runs BF3 easily on low settings with good FPS. It can also run it on ultra but struggles a little. However it will take me a few months to save up before I can buy it. So with that in mind, is there any parts I could buy now that would help me run BF4 better?
Specs -
Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked 768MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G2000LV4GK)
MSI P55A-G55 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent SLI Certified Modular Power Supply
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS)
So yea, is there any point upgrading any of this for BF4? Or will I be better to just invest my money into buying a whole new build in a few months time? Get a new GPU, upgrade to 8GB of memory, and a core i5 4670k which means a new motherboard as well. But that's basically an entirely new system. Ha, thanks for that! Could you possibly prioritise? Such as, will just getting 8 GB of ram help me with BF4? Or just getting a better graphics card? If so, which should I go for first? Battlefield 4 is the first major game to be 64-bit rather than 32-bit so I reckon that 8GB will be necessary for smooth play in multiplayer at high settings. AMD recently announced some of their new cards and rebrands. They aren't exactly releasing until October or a later date so I'd wait until than and see how the R9 290 (expected to be $400-$500) performs or you can go for the a Radeon HD7970 (or the refreshed version of it, the R9 280X).
Thanks! Will start with the ram.
If you have time, mind browsing this website and telling me which I should buy? Budget wise, since this will be going towards a new system eventually I want to spend enough to "future proof" it, but also don't want to be spending too much on ram.
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On September 30 2013 19:49 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 19:21 tyr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi. My old motherboard recently fried so I guess I need a new everything. It's alright though, it was something like a 7 year old motheboard and CPU so I don't mind an upgrade. I have a fairly recent low-end GPU so I won't need that (I believe it's a GeForce 630 or so, it's good enough for me. I might upgrade down the line but it's reaaally not a priority), or HDDs for that matter. I will need a motherboard, a cpu and ram. here goes What is your budget?250-300 euros What is your monitor's native resolution?1376x768 (good enough for me) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?dota2, random everything. I don't really care about the settings as long as it works. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Internet browsing, photo editing, maybe some video editing Do you intend to overclock?no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?no Do you need an operating system?no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.I have grown to like Intel stuff What country will you be buying your parts in?France If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I don't know, last time I bought stuff was from a local store, so I would really appreciate advice on where to buy stuff in France. I guess amazon ? Are there others ? I thought something along the lines of MSI H81M-E33 Motherboard Intel Micro ATX Socket 1150 57€ Intel Haswell Processeur Core i5-4430 / 3.00 GHz 4 coeurs Socket-LGA1150 6 Mo 167€ Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Mémoire RAM DDR3 1600 8Go COR CL9 Vengeance 70€ I somewhat know what I'm doing but my knowledge of the the parts and everything is absolutely out of date, which is why I'm asking. I guess the CPU is a bit overkill compared to the rest of my stuff but I don't mind that. I know video editing/streamind requires a lot of processing power and I might do those. Of course if you guys think a cheaper CPU would fit my needs without losing too much power, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts. I'm really not sure about the motherboard or the ram. Thanks for the help, really appreciate it. If your focus isn't on playing sc2 and other strategy games then have a look at getting an AMD fx6300. 6300 and an AM3+ mobo should set you back less than 200 euros. If you are playing strategy games then what you picked is good, but try stretch to a 4570, its well worth the money. RAM looks good, any 2x4gb cl9 1600mhz is the most cost efficient choice.
Indeed, the AMD board and processor would fit my needs and be much cheaper than intel, it seems. I think I will go with that. It would end up being about 240 euros which is less than I expected. I have a couple more questions.
Why do you say the decision depends on wether I play strategy games or not ? I assume this would still work great with them ? Is there that big of a difference ?
Also, I currently have a 480W power supply. Will it be enough with my current CG (geforce 630) and the AMD mobo and proc ?
Thanks.
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Strategy games tend to require a lot of processing logic for AI functions and a lot of dependency, so performance can be highly dependent on the CPU and especially the speed of a core. Currently AMD FX_3__ is way behind Intel i_-4___ on single core performance, so those games may run significantly worse on the AMD hardware. SC2 runs better on a Core i3 than on the FX-6300, for example.
What's the exact model of the power supply? If it can actually produce 480W reliably, that's way more than enough. It's not like your power consumption should increase drastically, but you might have a stinker to begin with.
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On October 01 2013 06:00 Myrmidon wrote:
Strategy games tend to require a lot of processing logic for AI functions and a lot of dependency, so performance can be highly dependent on the CPU and especially the speed of a core. Currently AMD FX_3__ is way behind Intel i_-4___ on single core performance, so those games may run significantly worse on the AMD hardware. SC2 runs better on a Core i3 than on the FX-6300, for example.
What's the exact model of the power supply? If it can actually produce 480W reliably, that's way more than enough. It's not like your power consumption should increase drastically, but you might have a stinker to begin with.
I have a Heden 480W. I'm currently reading stuff about it and people seem to complain that it doesn't actually offer that much power (more along the lines of 350W reliable). I used it for years and never had a problem with it though. Yeah sure it was for a Intel 2 Duo, but I never had issues before.
I guess I should get a better one though (more reliable - this one was fairly cheap iirc).
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