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Monitor: BENQ XL2411T 24" WIDE TFT LED 144HZ BLACK
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-A Z87 S-1150 ATX
Processor: INTEL CORE I5 4670K 3.4GHZ 6MB S-1150
RAM: CORSAIR 8GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X4GB)
GPU: ASUS GEFORCE GTX 650 TI BOOST 2GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI/DP
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO 120GB SSD SATA/600 TLC
HDD: WD BLUE 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA/600 64MB
Power Supply: SILVERSTONE STRIDER SFX 450W GOLD PSU
Heatsink: NOCTUA NH-U12S S-2011/1155/1150/AM3+/FM2
Case: NZXT GUARDIAN 921RB - RED LED ATX
Ok, will this be able to handle SC2 at max graphic after overclock? And if I'm not mistaken, this will be able to overclock right? Have I forgotten something?
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http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jngc
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z87X
Memory: 16Gigs, Mushkin Blackline
Storage: SSD 120Gigs
HDD 2 Terabytes
GPU: Gigabyte 7970
PSU: 600W Bronze
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Friend is looking to record music, play games on the side. Budget is 1500 (Canadian) and wants to shave about 150 off the current build if possible. He's looking to keep this as long as possible and doesn't know how to overclock and likes the idea or possibility of it.
Is there anywhere we can cut the fat? I feel like areas like the memory and video-card are a bit overkill. Even the MoBo a bit.
Thoughts? Also how long would this PC last in terms of being able to record music at a professional or proper level?
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On October 01 2013 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jngc
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z87X
Memory: 16Gigs, Mushkin Blackline
Storage: SSD 120Gigs
HDD 2 Terabytes
GPU: Gigabyte 7970
PSU: 600W Bronze
WIn 8
Friend is looking to record music, play games on the side. Budget is 1500 (Canadian) and wants to shave about 150 off the current build if possible. He's looking to keep this as long as possible and doesn't know how to overclock and likes the idea or possibility of it.
Is there anywhere we can cut the fat? I feel like areas like the memory and video-card are a bit overkill. Even the MoBo a bit.
Thoughts? Also how long would this PC last in terms of being able to record music at a professional or proper level?
This depends on the retailer you are going to be shopping at? If you pricematch at Memory Express than you can probably shave somewhere between $50-$100 off.
If you are buying from Newegg Canada as indicated by your pcpartpicker list than there is little reason to not buy the Rosewill Capstone 450.
CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations.
Yes, the motherboard is a bit over the top. The Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is essentially the same board without the on-board buttons and can be had for I think $115 after mail in rebate right now.
And the Hyper212 isn't really strong enough to overclock an i7 4770k, you are better off not buying it and just saving for a Noctua NH-U14S (~$60) if you can't afford it right now.
How long it is deemed satisfiable depends on how time sensitive your projects are I guess but I would say probably every three to four years, basically every socket change.
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On October 01 2013 06:59 skyR wrote:
CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations.
I was also looking to get a CX (500 however) and earlier in this thread I also got the suggestion they are crap. I'm very unexperienced in this, so forgive the possibly silly question, but does a PSU matter in terms of compatibility with the Mobo? Or is it only the wattage depending on what the PSU has to power.
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On October 01 2013 07:04 Metak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2013 06:59 skyR wrote:
CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations. I was also looking to get a CX (500 however) and earlier in this thread I also got the suggestion they are crap. I'm very unexperienced in this, so forgive the possibly silly question, but does a PSU matter in terms of compatibility with the Mobo? Or is it only the wattage depending on what the PSU has to power.
The power supplies sold in the consumer market is all standard. All modern power supplies will have the appropriate connectors (24pin and 4pin or 4+4pin) for the motherboard.
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On October 01 2013 06:59 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jngc
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z87X
Memory: 16Gigs, Mushkin Blackline
Storage: SSD 120Gigs
HDD 2 Terabytes
GPU: Gigabyte 7970
PSU: 600W Bronze
WIn 8
Friend is looking to record music, play games on the side. Budget is 1500 (Canadian) and wants to shave about 150 off the current build if possible. He's looking to keep this as long as possible and doesn't know how to overclock and likes the idea or possibility of it.
Is there anywhere we can cut the fat? I feel like areas like the memory and video-card are a bit overkill. Even the MoBo a bit.
Thoughts? Also how long would this PC last in terms of being able to record music at a professional or proper level? This depends on the retailer you are going to be shopping at? If you pricematch at Memory Express than you can probably shave somewhere between $50-$100 off. If you are buying from Newegg Canada as indicated by your pcpartpicker list than there is little reason to not buy the Rosewill Capstone 450. CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations. Yes, the motherboard is a bit over the top. The Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is essentially the same board without the on-board buttons and can be had for I think $115 after mail in rebate right now. And the Hyper212 isn't really strong enough to overclock an i7 4770k, you are better off not buying it and just saving for a Noctua NH-U14S (~$60) if you can't afford it right now. How long it is deemed satisfiable depends on how time sensitive your projects are I guess but I would say probably every three to four years, basically every socket change.
NCIX.ca.
He's recording music as a part of his hobby, upload to youtube, etc.
Right so: Replace the PSU
Replace the MoBo: what about the Asrock Z87 Extreme4?
Get non-overclocked i7? (will it be cheaper?)
So 16 gigs is not too much for recording and uploading music?
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On October 01 2013 07:19 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2013 06:59 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jngc
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z87X
Memory: 16Gigs, Mushkin Blackline
Storage: SSD 120Gigs
HDD 2 Terabytes
GPU: Gigabyte 7970
PSU: 600W Bronze
WIn 8
Friend is looking to record music, play games on the side. Budget is 1500 (Canadian) and wants to shave about 150 off the current build if possible. He's looking to keep this as long as possible and doesn't know how to overclock and likes the idea or possibility of it.
Is there anywhere we can cut the fat? I feel like areas like the memory and video-card are a bit overkill. Even the MoBo a bit.
Thoughts? Also how long would this PC last in terms of being able to record music at a professional or proper level? This depends on the retailer you are going to be shopping at? If you pricematch at Memory Express than you can probably shave somewhere between $50-$100 off. If you are buying from Newegg Canada as indicated by your pcpartpicker list than there is little reason to not buy the Rosewill Capstone 450. CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations. Yes, the motherboard is a bit over the top. The Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is essentially the same board without the on-board buttons and can be had for I think $115 after mail in rebate right now. And the Hyper212 isn't really strong enough to overclock an i7 4770k, you are better off not buying it and just saving for a Noctua NH-U14S (~$60) if you can't afford it right now. How long it is deemed satisfiable depends on how time sensitive your projects are I guess but I would say probably every three to four years, basically every socket change. NCIX.ca. He's recording music as a part of his hobby, upload to youtube, etc.
Right so: Replace the PSU Replace the MoBo: what about the Asrock Z87 Extreme4? Get non-overclocked i7? (will it be cheaper?) So 16 gigs is not too much for recording and uploading music?
If you're not going to overclock than yes it'll be less expensive since you'd be getting a H81 / B85 / H87 motherboard instead of the Z87X-UD3H which would shave over $50 off the total. And the non-K suffix processors are also less expensive.
I don't have any experience with recording music but in the professional industry, nothing is ever too much. You always want it to be faster. However, on the hobbyist side? I guess this depends again on how much you value saving those few extra seconds.
Why would you get the Asrock Z87 Extreme, it's basically the same price as the Z87X-UD3H. Asrock has never been of good value in Canada. Didn't I suggest the Z87X-D3H, is there a particular reason why you don't want this board and rather have a $150+ board?
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On October 01 2013 07:26 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 07:19 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2013 06:59 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Jngc
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z87X
Memory: 16Gigs, Mushkin Blackline
Storage: SSD 120Gigs
HDD 2 Terabytes
GPU: Gigabyte 7970
PSU: 600W Bronze
WIn 8
Friend is looking to record music, play games on the side. Budget is 1500 (Canadian) and wants to shave about 150 off the current build if possible. He's looking to keep this as long as possible and doesn't know how to overclock and likes the idea or possibility of it.
Is there anywhere we can cut the fat? I feel like areas like the memory and video-card are a bit overkill. Even the MoBo a bit.
Thoughts? Also how long would this PC last in terms of being able to record music at a professional or proper level? This depends on the retailer you are going to be shopping at? If you pricematch at Memory Express than you can probably shave somewhere between $50-$100 off. If you are buying from Newegg Canada as indicated by your pcpartpicker list than there is little reason to not buy the Rosewill Capstone 450. CX600 is crap, it has no place in the market as the Rosewill Capstone and Seasonic G are significantly better, roughly the same price, and is more than enough for a single GPU system while there are the likes of the XFX Core Edition 650 for SLI/Crossfire configurations. Yes, the motherboard is a bit over the top. The Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is essentially the same board without the on-board buttons and can be had for I think $115 after mail in rebate right now. And the Hyper212 isn't really strong enough to overclock an i7 4770k, you are better off not buying it and just saving for a Noctua NH-U14S (~$60) if you can't afford it right now. How long it is deemed satisfiable depends on how time sensitive your projects are I guess but I would say probably every three to four years, basically every socket change. NCIX.ca. He's recording music as a part of his hobby, upload to youtube, etc.
Right so: Replace the PSU Replace the MoBo: what about the Asrock Z87 Extreme4? Get non-overclocked i7? (will it be cheaper?) So 16 gigs is not too much for recording and uploading music? If you're not going to overclock than yes it'll be less expensive since you'd be getting a H81 / B85 / H87 motherboard instead of the Z87X-UD3H which would shave over $50 off the total. And the non-K suffix processors are also less expensive. I don't have any experience with recording music but in the professional industry, nothing is ever too much. You always want it to be faster. However, on the hobbyist side? I guess this depends again on how much you value saving those few extra seconds. Why would you get the Asrock Z87 Extreme, it's basically the same price as the Z87X-UD3H. Asrock has never been of good value in Canada. Didn't I suggest the Z87X-D3H, is there a particular reason why you don't want this board and rather have a $150+ board?
No particular reason, just curious of the alternatives!
I'll definitely relay this to him! thanks :D I got my EU PC yesterday and about to test it out tomorrow!
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On October 01 2013 06:31 FroZeN.Broken wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Monitor: BENQ XL2411T 24" WIDE TFT LED 144HZ BLACK
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-A Z87 S-1150 ATX
Processor: INTEL CORE I5 4670K 3.4GHZ 6MB S-1150
RAM: CORSAIR 8GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X4GB)
GPU: ASUS GEFORCE GTX 650 TI BOOST 2GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI/DP
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO 120GB SSD SATA/600 TLC
HDD: WD BLUE 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA/600 64MB
Power Supply: SILVERSTONE STRIDER SFX 450W GOLD PSU
Heatsink: NOCTUA NH-U12S S-2011/1155/1150/AM3+/FM2
Case: NZXT GUARDIAN 921RB - RED LED ATX
Ok, will this be able to handle SC2 at max graphic after overclock? And if I'm not mistaken, this will be able to overclock right? Have I forgotten something?
Yes this is overclockable and yes it would be capable of handling Starcraft II.
Though you'll want a regular ATX power supply and not SFX since you are using a regular sized case. SFX power supplies come at a premium because of their small size.
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skyR could you have a quick glance over my build?
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2013 20:23 Metak wrote:I am planning to build a Hackintosh system and want to dualboot Windows. This will be my first time building and assembling a system, and it feels like quite the quest. As OSX requires specific compatible components, my options are somewhat limited. The build I put together is an assembly from this Hackintosh community. I'm unsure if people here are familiar with building Hackintosh systems, but for the sake of exposing my build to multiple opinions I hope someone could take a look at the components and provide some critique. What is your budget?Around €1000 What is your monitor's native resolution?1920×1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?StarCraft 2, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, DotA2 - High to Ultra settings. Preferably the system would last a couple of years, being able to play new online multiplayer releases on Medium to High settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Heavy Creative Suite usage (PS, ID, Ill), coding, occasional short film editing. Might consider streaming. Do you intend to overclock?Not familiar with it, so no. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.Except for the specific components necessary to run OS X, none. What country will you be buying your parts in?The Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.None. + Show Spoiler [Build so far] +CPU Intel Core i5 4670K Boxed € 198,90 MOBO Gigabyte GA-Z87MX-D3H € 118,90 GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW SIG2 € 319,- HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST1000DM003, 1TB € 53,50 CASE Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 € 35,50 WIFI CARD TP-Link TL-WDN4800 € 33,32 RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 € 67,95 PSU Corsair CX500M € 53,89 SSD Sandisk Extreme 120GB € 96,38 € 977,34
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On October 01 2013 07:41 Metak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +skyR could you have a quick glance over my build? + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2013 20:23 Metak wrote:I am planning to build a Hackintosh system and want to dualboot Windows. This will be my first time building and assembling a system, and it feels like quite the quest. As OSX requires specific compatible components, my options are somewhat limited. The build I put together is an assembly from this Hackintosh community. I'm unsure if people here are familiar with building Hackintosh systems, but for the sake of exposing my build to multiple opinions I hope someone could take a look at the components and provide some critique. What is your budget?Around €1000 What is your monitor's native resolution?1920×1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?StarCraft 2, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, DotA2 - High to Ultra settings. Preferably the system would last a couple of years, being able to play new online multiplayer releases on Medium to High settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Heavy Creative Suite usage (PS, ID, Ill), coding, occasional short film editing. Might consider streaming. Do you intend to overclock?Not familiar with it, so no. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.Except for the specific components necessary to run OS X, none. What country will you be buying your parts in?The Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.None. + Show Spoiler [Build so far] +CPU Intel Core i5 4670K Boxed € 198,90 MOBO Gigabyte GA-Z87MX-D3H € 118,90 GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW SIG2 € 319,- HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST1000DM003, 1TB € 53,50 CASE Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 € 35,50 WIFI CARD TP-Link TL-WDN4800 € 33,32 RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 € 67,95 PSU Corsair CX500M € 53,89 SSD Sandisk Extreme 120GB € 96,38 € 977,34
Blizzard games and the current generation of MOBAs are not graphically intensive at all. You could save a significant amount by getting a GTX 650 Ti instead. The card is supported by the latest version of Mountain Lion.
With the GTX 650 Ti in mind, you can get a CX430 instead. Skip the modular (M) variant unless it's less expensive since you'll likely be using all the cables anyways.
Samsung 840 (or the EVO) is less expensive. I'd also suggest getting a 250GB SSD since WoW is something like 25GB and Starcraft II is going to be roughly 20GB as well so there really isn't much space left to work with on a 120GB SSD.
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On October 01 2013 07:51 skyR wrote:
Blizzard games and the current generation of MOBAs are not graphically intensive at all. You could save a significant amount by getting a GTX 650 Ti instead. The card is supported by the latest version of Mountain Lion.
With the GTX 650 Ti in mind, you can get a CX430 instead. Skip the modular (M) variant unless it's less expensive since you'll likely be using all the cables anyways.
Samsung 840 (or the EVO) is less expensive. I'd also suggest getting a 250GB SSD since WoW is something like 25GB and Starcraft II is going to be roughly 20GB as well so there really isn't much space left to work with on a 120GB SSD.
Alright, thanks. Suppose that I would want to OC in a year or two from now, and maybe add a stronger GPU somewhere down the line, would this build be sufficient for that? Here's the updated list, added more HDD space, changed PSU, SSD and GPU.
+ Show Spoiler +CPU Intel Core i5 4670K Boxed € 198,90 MOBO Gigabyte GA-Z87MX-D3H € 118,90 GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB € 121,- HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001, 3TB € 103,94 CASE Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 € 35,50 RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 € 67,95 PSU Corsair Builder CX430 Bronze € 36,95 SSD Samsung 840 EVO 250GB € 149,99 TOTAL € 833,13
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Yes, it would allow you to overclock. You'll just have to install an aftermarket heatsink when you decide to do it. If you want a stronger GPU in the future, you may want to consider a better power supply with two 6pin PCIe connectors, something like a Seasonic G 450, Superflower Golden Green 450, XFX Core Edition 550, or even the Corsair CX500.
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On September 29 2013 15:32 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Might have cracked 4.7ghz ht on stable! I think it was down to pulling VRIN up too far over ring voltage. I was obsessing over the correct value to be stable with the lowest vcore (and get rid of 0x0124's) which i could do by 1.325vcore or so with a perfect value, but while a lower oc might use like 1.22vcore and 1.75vrin which is fine for running 1.15-1.20 ring, it's not so pretty when pushing vrin towards hitting 1.9 (as you raise it to more optimal values for higher vcore)
Pushed ring volts up, did a few tests and then pulled VRIN down some, need like 0.02 more vcore to be 124-free but maybe fixed 0x0101's. It would last like a minute between fails before and i'm hitting 10 mins now. Average about 80c on hottest 2 cores, max 84c encoding, can maybe tighten a little
I decided to be a little more adventurous since i left hwinfo open for a couple days and my average CPU load across 8 threads was literally like 6%, even though i was at desk like almost half of the hours. 6% is not exactly the 100% it'd be if i was folding or something, so i'm sure load vcore's in the 1.35 range will be fine, and there was a thread on ocn with a few people running 1.4 ring for months with no sign of any issues so i'm not too scared of approaching 1.3 there now either
Edit: Just don't think it's worth it. The 100mhz on core would cost me like 0.075v on vcore if i put vrin down some and then i'd be forced to run near 1.3v on ring 24/7 even though vcore spends 90% of the time at 0.8v or less because of idle states
In the end i think settings like 1.8vrin 1.265vcore and either ~1.24 ring for 4.4ghz uncore, or 1.175 ring for 800mhz-4ghz uncore (turbo+drop on default) would be better.. too much heat cost, and takes it from "low really conservative awesome oc" to "high end and potential long term degradation" real fast
1.28vcore with 75c max is not exactly 1.365vcore with 88c max, and 1.175/1.24 ring is not exactly 1.3 24/7 either
Weren't you gonna start plotting on the vcore/vRing to VRIN graphs? It's a bit overdue man.
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I was showing my friend the review and he suggested modular cables. How do I know it's modular? I read some of the reviews and the OP blurb, and still lost. It seems you try to match thepsu to what demands the most aka gpu. So what would a 660ti or a 460 require?
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On October 01 2013 13:38 Leeoku wrote:
I was showing my friend the review and he suggested modular cables. How do I know it's modular? I read some of the reviews and the OP blurb, and still lost. It seems you try to match thepsu to what demands the most aka gpu. So what would a 660ti or a 460 require?
Modular is often times indicated by an M in its model name and if you look at pictures, you'll see that there are holes for the cables. The Capstone 450M would be an example of a semi modular unit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 The Seasonic Platinum 660 would be an example of a fully modular unit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151121
The Capstone 450 or any quality ~450w unit will be capable of powering most single GPU configurations. Both the GTX 660 Ti and GTX 460 use about 150w under maximum load.
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On October 01 2013 13:23 mav451 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 15:32 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Might have cracked 4.7ghz ht on stable! I think it was down to pulling VRIN up too far over ring voltage. I was obsessing over the correct value to be stable with the lowest vcore (and get rid of 0x0124's) which i could do by 1.325vcore or so with a perfect value, but while a lower oc might use like 1.22vcore and 1.75vrin which is fine for running 1.15-1.20 ring, it's not so pretty when pushing vrin towards hitting 1.9 (as you raise it to more optimal values for higher vcore)
Pushed ring volts up, did a few tests and then pulled VRIN down some, need like 0.02 more vcore to be 124-free but maybe fixed 0x0101's. It would last like a minute between fails before and i'm hitting 10 mins now. Average about 80c on hottest 2 cores, max 84c encoding, can maybe tighten a little
I decided to be a little more adventurous since i left hwinfo open for a couple days and my average CPU load across 8 threads was literally like 6%, even though i was at desk like almost half of the hours. 6% is not exactly the 100% it'd be if i was folding or something, so i'm sure load vcore's in the 1.35 range will be fine, and there was a thread on ocn with a few people running 1.4 ring for months with no sign of any issues so i'm not too scared of approaching 1.3 there now either
Edit: Just don't think it's worth it. The 100mhz on core would cost me like 0.075v on vcore if i put vrin down some and then i'd be forced to run near 1.3v on ring 24/7 even though vcore spends 90% of the time at 0.8v or less because of idle states
In the end i think settings like 1.8vrin 1.265vcore and either ~1.24 ring for 4.4ghz uncore, or 1.175 ring for 800mhz-4ghz uncore (turbo+drop on default) would be better.. too much heat cost, and takes it from "low really conservative awesome oc" to "high end and potential long term degradation" real fast
1.28vcore with 75c max is not exactly 1.365vcore with 88c max, and 1.175/1.24 ring is not exactly 1.3 24/7 either Weren't you gonna start plotting on the vcore/vRing to VRIN graphs? It's a bit overdue man.
lot lot looot of work o.0
It doesn't help that my data would only be strictly valid for gigabyte boards, as all of the other board manufacturers have differently behaving VRIN and llc and very few boards have good sensors for stuff like this
Was just thinking about it, and i'd need like 3-5 data points for vcore to stabilize at a given VRIN level for example, and i'd need 3-5 of those too, so realistically you'd need 9-25 data points, which you could grab in like 5 minutes, but like an hour each to account for randomness more would be preferred.. ouchies
As long as you hit the right range you're good, 1.7vrin with near-max llc for 1.2vcore and 1.85 for 1.3vcore kind of level should make it so there's not insane gains to get from changing it, or cliffs anywhere, afaik
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On October 01 2013 06:16 tyr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:00 Myrmidon wrote:
Strategy games tend to require a lot of processing logic for AI functions and a lot of dependency, so performance can be highly dependent on the CPU and especially the speed of a core. Currently AMD FX_3__ is way behind Intel i_-4___ on single core performance, so those games may run significantly worse on the AMD hardware. SC2 runs better on a Core i3 than on the FX-6300, for example.
What's the exact model of the power supply? If it can actually produce 480W reliably, that's way more than enough. It's not like your power consumption should increase drastically, but you might have a stinker to begin with. I have a Heden 480W. I'm currently reading stuff about it and people seem to complain that it doesn't actually offer that much power (more along the lines of 350W reliable). I used it for years and never had a problem with it though. Yeah sure it was for a Intel 2 Duo, but I never had issues before. I guess I should get a better one though (more reliable - this one was fairly cheap iirc).
If you can spare the money for a new psu then do it. Psu failing can cause horrible problems.
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On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines  Current build Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155 Intel core i5 2400 @3.1 16GB ram Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5 1 TB hdd Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.
Been pondering for a while and think I'll grab a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB PhysX CUDA
It sais it requires 600w though so I guess I should grab a 750 PSU aswell righto?
Definately getting a samsung SSD aswell, you swayed me into it Blaec!
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On October 01 2013 21:09 Fruktsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines Current build Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155 Intel core i5 2400 @3.1 16GB ram Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5 1 TB hdd Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance. Been pondering for a while and think I'll grab a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB PhysX CUDA It sais it requires 600w though so I guess I should grab a 750 PSU aswell righto? Definately getting a samsung SSD aswell, you swayed me into it Blaec!
Looked it up, your current PSU is based on the Seasonic S12-II and internally very similar. It is a good PSU.
About how it works with power needs, you should ignore the suggestions of NVIDIA and AMD about the PSU you need. You should instead look at the max power use of the card itself. That's 230W for the GTX 770 on paper. Your CPU does use a lot less, below 100W. Your PSU can supply 408W on the 12V the CPU and GPU uses. It should work with your current PSU.
Looking at reviews to see what happens in practice, I found this about the GTX 770: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/05/31/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-2gb-review/8
The PC uses 333W at the wall in that review. It really should work. Inside the PC, if a typical PSU can do something like 85% efficiency, those 333W are really 283W (= 333W * 0.85). As your PSU can do those 408W I mentioned, it shouldn't be taxing for it.
EDIT: I got the 408W number for your PSU from the picture of its spec sheet here: http://www.x86-secret.com/dossier-36-1200-SilverPower_SP_SS500_500_Watts.html
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