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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 22:13:13
September 28 2013 22:00 GMT
#801
For a single 770 at 1293mhz 1.212v and overclocked haswell system, i'd consider my peak draw in games to be in the league of 300 watts, taking into account vrm efficiency etc. 7970 will use a bit more with OC.

770 has an extremely over-the-top TDP and in most games (crysis 3 etc) at max load it tends to stay more in the like 160-170 watt range, i've never seen it hit 200 in a gaming load even in a spike, while a 4770k @1.265vcore bios will max at about 100 watts or so encoding with CPU load consistently at 99-100% across 8 threads, if software is to be trusted. It seems pretty accurate, considering Intel uses the same value for managing Turbo Boost.

It's rare for a game to max load the GPU while highly loading all four CPU cores, and for that to happen you need certain demands from the game as well as a good engine or good programmers, so it's pretty rare. Most GPU bound games don't use much CPU, many CPU bound games don't load more than a few cores highly (because they struggle with balancing load) and also don't load the GPU much, etc. Crysis 3 is an example of something that'll max a GPU, highly load many CPU cores and be held back by them both at different times, but i can't think of anything really as demanding on the system as a whole. I'd consider a strong 450w unit to be super safe for a system like mine

Here's a good chart

[image loading]

This is PEAK draw, from the wall, so you can cut some for PSU efficiency etc. 5-10%

Another thing to consider is that 770 is basically locked at stock voltage, you can't do much with it. You can clock pretty good (1250-1325 i'd expect) but it doesn't really raise power consumption. AMD side is not volt locked, at least a lot of the models
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
September 28 2013 22:17 GMT
#802
On September 29 2013 07:00 Cyro wrote:
For a single 770 at 1293mhz 1.212v and overclocked haswell system, i'd consider my peak draw in games to be in the league of 300 watts, taking into account vrm efficiency etc. 7970 will use a bit more with OC.

770 has an extremely over-the-top TDP and in most games (crysis 3 etc) at max load it tends to stay more in the like 160-170 watt range, i've never seen it hit 200 in a gaming load even in a spike, while a 4770k @1.265vcore bios will max at about 100 watts or so encoding with CPU load consistently at 99-100% across 8 threads, if software is to be trusted. It seems pretty accurate, considering Intel uses the same value for managing Turbo Boost.

It's rare for a game to max load the GPU while highly loading all four CPU cores, and for that to happen you need certain demands from the game as well as a good engine or good programmers, so it's pretty rare. Most GPU bound games don't use much CPU, many CPU bound games don't load more than a few cores highly (because they struggle with balancing load) and also don't load the GPU much, etc. Crysis 3 is an example of something that'll max a GPU, highly load many CPU cores and be held back by them both at different times, but i can't think of anything really as demanding on the system as a whole. I'd consider a strong 450w unit to be super safe for a system like mine

Here's a good chart

[image loading]

This is PEAK draw, from the wall, so you can cut some for PSU efficiency etc. 5-10%

Another thing to consider is that 770 is basically locked at stock voltage, you can't do much with it. You can clock pretty good (1250-1325 i'd expect) but it doesn't really raise power consumption. AMD side is not volt locked, at least a lot of the models


Thanks that's awesome info. I know so little about this stuff

Totally newb question... if you have a 450W PSU it's only drawing what's needed as necessary, right - the number is just what it's "max" is rated as?

I feel like a moron when I read this thread I guess now is as good a time to start learning about this stuff as any!

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 22:20:46
September 28 2013 22:20 GMT
#803
Yes, it'll only draw what is necessary. The number you see on good units are continuous, not peak. A Corsair HX650 would output 650w continuously at 50c.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 28 2013 22:25 GMT
#804
On September 29 2013 06:50 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 05:39 Ropid wrote:
a) yes, it's exactly like you mention, i.e. 38,38,37,36 can be set to 38,38,38,38
b) no idea, but... some H87 have a BIOS that actually lets you overclock just like with Z87.


I thought Intel locked the multiplier on Haswell? It's not like before where you could increase it by four.

It's like this:

Let's say the CPU in this example has these stock settings:

38, 38, 37, 36 turbo boost multipliers depending on the amount of cores being active.

An Ivy Bridge CPU, you would be able to overclock to this:

42, 42, 39, 40

A Haswell CPU, you can set to these settings:

38, 38, 38, 38

The CPU is also locked to the 100 MHz BCLK strap. Playing around with 125 MHz base etc. is not possible.

I have no idea what the boards can do. You can't even enable XMP to get more than 1600 MHz RAM speed without Z87? So I don't know if settings like these are completely locked on the cheaper chipsets. I would assume it's locked, except for that H87 bug on various boards.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 28 2013 23:45 GMT
#805
What we have learned since bringing you that news is that AMD will be releasing a grand total of 8,000 AMD Radeon R9 290X Battlefield 4 Edition cards. This means globally and not just regionally! We also learned that the cards specifications and the final price of the card will not be disclosed when the pre-order begins. This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


Srsly?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
September 29 2013 06:29 GMT
#806
On September 29 2013 08:45 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
What we have learned since bringing you that news is that AMD will be releasing a grand total of 8,000 AMD Radeon R9 290X Battlefield 4 Edition cards. This means globally and not just regionally! We also learned that the cards specifications and the final price of the card will not be disclosed when the pre-order begins. This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


Srsly?

that is pretty clever in my opinion. Only 8.000 globally together with bf4, which can make use of Mantle etc. Those will be gone in the blink of an eye, bought by bf4/tech lovers
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 07:35:50
September 29 2013 06:32 GMT
#807
Might have cracked 4.7ghz ht on stable! I think it was down to pulling VRIN up too far over ring voltage. I was obsessing over the correct value to be stable with the lowest vcore (and get rid of 0x0124's) which i could do by 1.325vcore or so with a perfect value, but while a lower oc might use like 1.22vcore and 1.75vrin which is fine for running 1.15-1.20 ring, it's not so pretty when pushing vrin towards hitting 1.9 (as you raise it to more optimal values for higher vcore)

Pushed ring volts up, did a few tests and then pulled VRIN down some, need like 0.02 more vcore to be 124-free but maybe fixed 0x0101's. It would last like a minute between fails before and i'm hitting 10 mins now. Average about 80c on hottest 2 cores, max 84c encoding, can maybe tighten a little

I decided to be a little more adventurous since i left hwinfo open for a couple days and my average CPU load across 8 threads was literally like 6%, even though i was at desk like almost half of the hours. 6% is not exactly the 100% it'd be if i was folding or something, so i'm sure load vcore's in the 1.35 range will be fine, and there was a thread on ocn with a few people running 1.4 ring for months with no sign of any issues so i'm not too scared of approaching 1.3 there now either

Edit: Just don't think it's worth it. The 100mhz on core would cost me like 0.075v on vcore if i put vrin down some and then i'd be forced to run near 1.3v on ring 24/7 even though vcore spends 90% of the time at 0.8v or less because of idle states

In the end i think settings like 1.8vrin 1.265vcore and either ~1.24 ring for 4.4ghz uncore, or 1.175 ring for 800mhz-4ghz uncore (turbo+drop on default) would be better.. too much heat cost, and takes it from "low really conservative awesome oc" to "high end and potential long term degradation" real fast

1.28vcore with 75c max is not exactly 1.365vcore with 88c max, and 1.175/1.24 ring is not exactly 1.3 24/7 either
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 29 2013 06:53 GMT
#808
On September 29 2013 15:29 Eisregen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 08:45 Cyro wrote:
What we have learned since bringing you that news is that AMD will be releasing a grand total of 8,000 AMD Radeon R9 290X Battlefield 4 Edition cards. This means globally and not just regionally! We also learned that the cards specifications and the final price of the card will not be disclosed when the pre-order begins. This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


Srsly?

that is pretty clever in my opinion. Only 8.000 globally together with bf4, which can make use of Mantle etc. Those will be gone in the blink of an eye, bought by bf4/tech lovers


This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


^I meant this part. Seems ridiculous to me. How can they make you put down a deposit without telling you if it's a $400 card or a $1000 one? It's likely to strike $449-649, but how is that even legal?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
September 29 2013 06:59 GMT
#809
On September 29 2013 15:53 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 15:29 Eisregen wrote:
On September 29 2013 08:45 Cyro wrote:
What we have learned since bringing you that news is that AMD will be releasing a grand total of 8,000 AMD Radeon R9 290X Battlefield 4 Edition cards. This means globally and not just regionally! We also learned that the cards specifications and the final price of the card will not be disclosed when the pre-order begins. This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


Srsly?

that is pretty clever in my opinion. Only 8.000 globally together with bf4, which can make use of Mantle etc. Those will be gone in the blink of an eye, bought by bf4/tech lovers


Show nested quote +
This means that you’ll have to put down a deposit without knowing the price or clock speeds of the card that you will be purchasing.


^I meant this part. Seems ridiculous to me. How can they make you put down a deposit without telling you if it's a $400 card or a $1000 one? It's likely to strike $449-649, but how is that even legal?

Meant the same part :D There will be enough ppl paying a deposit, like placing a bet on something they absolutely want to have. And as there is no clear price, people may go into, I will deposit more, because I absolutely want to have it.
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 29 2013 10:58 GMT
#810
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.


The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Fruktsoda
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden206 Posts
September 29 2013 11:41 GMT
#811
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 29 2013 12:04 GMT
#812
On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


GTX 760 OC and Games/windows on SSD should do the trick.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 12:18:57
September 29 2013 12:15 GMT
#813
On September 29 2013 19:58 plgElwood wrote:
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.




If you are definitely going to get a cooler then get a fully overclockable setup.

Are the z87 and z77 you are looking at comparable? Because there shouldn't be that much of a price disparity for a similarly capable mobo.

And if you are thinking of not getting a SSD I advise you think again. Go down to a h81 and non 'k', ditch the cooler if that allows you to get an SSD.
SSD >>>>>>> overclocking.

On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


Samsung 840 or 840 evo depending how much you ok with spending. I wouldn't get any less than 120gb.

Do you need a new PSU?

GPU wise grab a 760 / 7970 / 770 depending how much you want to spend or wait for AMDs new offerings in the next month.
Fruktsoda
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden206 Posts
September 29 2013 13:02 GMT
#814
Thanks Blaec for the quick response, not quite sure if I need a new PSU, everything is running smoothly atm and I assume it wouldnt change much if I grabbed a new GPU and SSD?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 29 2013 13:20 GMT
#815
Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.


8% better per ghz? Not sure what you're saying with this. I'd expect gains from 3.6 to 4.6 to be like 25-30% for encoding purposes + some cpu bound games like skyrim, and more in terms of sc2 minimum fps
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 29 2013 13:20 GMT
#816
On September 29 2013 21:15 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:58 plgElwood wrote:
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.




If you are definitely going to get a cooler then get a fully overclockable setup.

Are the z87 and z77 you are looking at comparable? Because there shouldn't be that much of a price disparity for a similarly capable mobo.

And if you are thinking of not getting a SSD I advise you think again. Go down to a h81 and non 'k', ditch the cooler if that allows you to get an SSD.
SSD >>>>>>> overclocking.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


Samsung 840 or 840 evo depending how much you ok with spending. I wouldn't get any less than 120gb.

Do you need a new PSU?

GPU wise grab a 760 / 7970 / 770 depending how much you want to spend or wait for AMDs new offerings in the next month.





Will the SSD Give me more FPS (SC2 / ARMA 3) or just better loading times?
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
September 29 2013 13:56 GMT
#817
On September 29 2013 22:20 plgElwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 21:15 Blaec wrote:
On September 29 2013 19:58 plgElwood wrote:
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.




If you are definitely going to get a cooler then get a fully overclockable setup.

Are the z87 and z77 you are looking at comparable? Because there shouldn't be that much of a price disparity for a similarly capable mobo.

And if you are thinking of not getting a SSD I advise you think again. Go down to a h81 and non 'k', ditch the cooler if that allows you to get an SSD.
SSD >>>>>>> overclocking.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


Samsung 840 or 840 evo depending how much you ok with spending. I wouldn't get any less than 120gb.

Do you need a new PSU?

GPU wise grab a 760 / 7970 / 770 depending how much you want to spend or wait for AMDs new offerings in the next month.





Will the SSD Give me more FPS (SC2 / ARMA 3) or just better loading times?

As someone who got his recently and is super fucking happy about it: It gives you a new way of life. :3

"Just" better loading times is pretty nuts when it's just so much faster. Wait till you're rebooting for fun.


....are there any important programs to test it out when it comes to OCing my 770GTX via EVGA? I'm currently using the integrated test and the EVGA OC Scanner. What's weird is that it sometimes seems to clock down back to stock without temperature going above 80°C.

e.g. in the Heaven Benchmark it runs just fine @1293Mhz and then at some point the screen goes black for half a second and comes back with stock speeds. At higher clocks it just straight up gives an error message after a couple of minutes max, but I haven't seen a single artifact yet.

Is there any obvious configuration setting that can cause that downclock besides temperature?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
September 29 2013 14:04 GMT
#818
On September 29 2013 22:20 plgElwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 21:15 Blaec wrote:
On September 29 2013 19:58 plgElwood wrote:
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.




If you are definitely going to get a cooler then get a fully overclockable setup.

Are the z87 and z77 you are looking at comparable? Because there shouldn't be that much of a price disparity for a similarly capable mobo.

And if you are thinking of not getting a SSD I advise you think again. Go down to a h81 and non 'k', ditch the cooler if that allows you to get an SSD.
SSD >>>>>>> overclocking.

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On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


Samsung 840 or 840 evo depending how much you ok with spending. I wouldn't get any less than 120gb.

Do you need a new PSU?

GPU wise grab a 760 / 7970 / 770 depending how much you want to spend or wait for AMDs new offerings in the next month.





Will the SSD Give me more FPS (SC2 / ARMA 3) or just better loading times?


Just loading times afaik. But it is so worth it, booting up super fast and then being able to do things right when you have booted is just brilliant.

On September 29 2013 22:02 Fruktsoda wrote:
Thanks Blaec for the quick response, not quite sure if I need a new PSU, everything is running smoothly atm and I assume it wouldnt change much if I grabbed a new GPU and SSD?


No probs, from a quick googling your psu seems decent. As long as it isn't running unusually loud and you aren't having any weird issues just keep your current psu.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 29 2013 14:11 GMT
#819
On September 29 2013 22:56 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:20 plgElwood wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:15 Blaec wrote:
On September 29 2013 19:58 plgElwood wrote:
So i was guessing now what CPU my new System to Build arround:

will contain 8gb DDR3 1600mhz, GTX760 OC, Standard non SSD HDDs, and the Scythe Mugen4.

Most Expensive:
Core i5 4670K + Z87 Board Haswell is max 8% better per ghz (No advantage in Today´s games...) on single core, produces more heat + has a terrible heatspreader, most likely "hard" to overclock without upping Vcore.

220+140€

Core i5 4670 + H87 Board
MAAAYBE you can set every core to work at 3.8 Ghz permanently on H87, if its buggy or build by fullmoon.
Will most likely be a 3.6Ghz CPU forever if all cores get something to do.
Still bad heatspreader on die.

190+100€

Core i5 3570K + Z77 Board
Can be overclocked more freely, has a better heatspreader. Maybe will achieve stable 4.0-4.2 ghz on normal temp and Vcore.

200+80€ Same as above


I like to leech out the hardware to the last bit. I most likely will not change CPU/GPU, but get everything new all 4-5 years.




If you are definitely going to get a cooler then get a fully overclockable setup.

Are the z87 and z77 you are looking at comparable? Because there shouldn't be that much of a price disparity for a similarly capable mobo.

And if you are thinking of not getting a SSD I advise you think again. Go down to a h81 and non 'k', ditch the cooler if that allows you to get an SSD.
SSD >>>>>>> overclocking.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2013 20:41 Fruktsoda wrote:
Was planning on upgrading my pc a bit but Im not entirely sure when it comes to computers (I can install new parts without any kind of problem, but I dont have a single clue if different parts go together or not) so I come to you guys for some guidelines

Current build

Silver Power SP - SS500 500W PSU
ASUS P8Z77 - V LX, Socket - 1155
Intel core i5 2400 @3.1
16GB ram
Powercolor Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5
1 TB hdd

Mainly planning to get a new graphics card, powersupply and an SSD. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.


Samsung 840 or 840 evo depending how much you ok with spending. I wouldn't get any less than 120gb.

Do you need a new PSU?

GPU wise grab a 760 / 7970 / 770 depending how much you want to spend or wait for AMDs new offerings in the next month.





Will the SSD Give me more FPS (SC2 / ARMA 3) or just better loading times?

As someone who got his recently and is super fucking happy about it: It gives you a new way of life. :3

"Just" better loading times is pretty nuts when it's just so much faster. Wait till you're rebooting for fun.


....are there any important programs to test it out when it comes to OCing my 770GTX via EVGA? I'm currently using the integrated test and the EVGA OC Scanner. What's weird is that it sometimes seems to clock down back to stock without temperature going above 80°C.

e.g. in the Heaven Benchmark it runs just fine @1293Mhz and then at some point the screen goes black for half a second and comes back with stock speeds. At higher clocks it just straight up gives an error message after a couple of minutes max, but I haven't seen a single artifact yet.

Is there any obvious configuration setting that can cause that downclock besides temperature?


Power. You giving it 111% power limit? You shouldn't hit that in nonsynthetics though, i've only hit it in furmark. Also if screen goes black etc then it's probably driver soft crash, oc pushed too far. If you're using heaven, set overclock before you start it, and then trust the number that heaven tells you, because it seems to be bugged (heaven will say for example 1293 on giga windforce 770 while monitoring software says ~1254 - but the heaven value is correct)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 29 2013 15:59 GMT
#820
I have not tried SSDs but most the time my system boots in, it´s checking in all drives (4xHDD + DVDRW), telling me IRQs. once windows loading screen is up i can use the system in 15 secs, including password typing.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
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