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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
September 28 2013 04:57 GMT
#781
had the option to fix it or start windows normally.


That pops up basically whenever power is cut weirdly or there's a crash, you just hit start windows normally
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
uNrexL
Profile Joined December 2011
United States12 Posts
September 28 2013 07:03 GMT
#782
That's what I did but I still cant get the fans to work I don't know what I am doing wrong.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 07:06:10
September 28 2013 07:05 GMT
#783
What fans did you buy? And did you try one at a time to see which fan is the issue?
uNrexL
Profile Joined December 2011
United States12 Posts
September 28 2013 07:27 GMT
#784
It's the fans that came with the case that I am having issues with I listed the case and mobo I'm using. I did try and nothing happened.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 08:25 GMT
#785
Well if you tried all the system headers than both your fans are causing a short or all your motherboard headers are faulty (which is unlikely).
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 10:28:24
September 28 2013 10:26 GMT
#786
Today I got my parts and assembled my rig. Everything went pretty smoothly and the rig works very well. Thanks for everyone who gave me tips and helped me choose my components!


Like really, just installed Skyrim and everything runs SO smoothly at ultra settings. The computer itself runs quite fast, does everything I ask it to just bumbling along. Thank you everyone ^^
maru lover forever
MasaDaKing
Profile Joined December 2011
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 15:59:42
September 28 2013 15:32 GMT
#787
Hey, another one in need of help with computers! None of my friends/relatives are very good with computers, so thats why I rely on you again, fellow TL´ers. I am looking for advice with the parts. Anything I could and should improve? I can go up in the price for 50-100€, but those pretty much are my limits. Im running a monitor with a native resolution of 1920 X 1080. The computer would be for gaming. I don´t need it for work or using heavy and demanding media software. In fact, I am mainly looking forward into playing BF4 alot, and the game is my main motivation.

So, straight into business. This is the setup I currently have in mind:
Processor: AMD FX-8320, 8-Core Black Edition
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
Memory: Kingston 8 GB 1600MHz
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
Harddrive: 1 TB 7200rpm
Power: XFX Core Edition Pro 550W, 80+
Case: Zalman Z5
Audio: 8 – channel HD soundcard
CD-Drive: 24x Writing CD/DVD±RW

The price I am looking at is 773€, or respectively, 1,045$. (No OS included. Got that covered.)
What do you think? Power supply ok?
Any help and discussion is appriciated, thanks!

EDIT: After thorougly reading your first page post a second time, i´ve come to consider Intel processor (i5, as it supposedly is more cost-efficient for gaming than i7). If i want to change my processor to an i5, do I need to replace other parts of my set?
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 17:01:11
September 28 2013 16:55 GMT
#788
On September 29 2013 00:32 MasaDaKing wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey, another one in need of help with computers! None of my friends/relatives are very good with computers, so thats why I rely on you again, fellow TL´ers. I am looking for advice with the parts. Anything I could and should improve? I can go up in the price for 50-100€, but those pretty much are my limits. Im running a monitor with a native resolution of 1920 X 1080. The computer would be for gaming. I don´t need it for work or using heavy and demanding media software. In fact, I am mainly looking forward into playing BF4 alot, and the game is my main motivation.

So, straight into business. This is the setup I currently have in mind:
Processor: AMD FX-8320, 8-Core Black Edition
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
Memory: Kingston 8 GB 1600MHz
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
Harddrive: 1 TB 7200rpm
Power: XFX Core Edition Pro 550W, 80+
Case: Zalman Z5
Audio: 8 – channel HD soundcard
CD-Drive: 24x Writing CD/DVD±RW

The price I am looking at is 773€, or respectively, 1,045$. (No OS included. Got that covered.)
What do you think? Power supply ok?
Any help and discussion is appriciated, thanks!

EDIT: After thorougly reading your first page post a second time, i´ve come to consider Intel processor (i5, as it supposedly is more cost-efficient for gaming than i7). If i want to change my processor to an i5, do I need to replace other parts of my set?


Intel is idd better for gaming and if you can't make any use of HT (i7), then the i5 is the way to go.
So you have to chose another Mainboard. Socket 1150 (Haswell) or Socket 1155 (SB/IB).

If you want to overclock, you need a CPU with the "k"-Prefix and an aftermarket cooler. If not, the stock cooler will do.
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
pungk
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania61 Posts
September 28 2013 18:37 GMT
#789
I would apreciate some input. I'm looking to buy a laptop and am stuck between these 2:

1. i3-3217U 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge, 4GB DDR3, 500GB hdd , GeForce GT 720M 2GB - price ~490$

or

2. i3-3217U 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge, 4GB, 500GB hdd , HD 4000 - price ~450$

Both are Asus 15.6" X550CC-XX0***

Basicaly it's the same laptop. One with a dedicated gpu the other without.

Is there a big difference between the integrated gpu and the 720m?
Most of my gaming is done on a desktop that suits my needs. I would mostly use this laptop for studies/internet and some ocassional gaming (like some league of legends maybe).

Is the 40$ difference worth it to get the one with a dedicated gpu? Or should i just use those to buy a laptop bag and a cooling stand?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 18:57 GMT
#790
On September 29 2013 03:37 pungk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I would apreciate some input. I'm looking to buy a laptop and am stuck between these 2:

1. i3-3217U 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge, 4GB DDR3, 500GB hdd , GeForce GT 720M 2GB - price ~490$

or

2. i3-3217U 1.8GHz Ivy Bridge, 4GB, 500GB hdd , HD 4000 - price ~450$

Both are Asus 15.6" X550CC-XX0***

Basicaly it's the same laptop. One with a dedicated gpu the other without.

Is there a big difference between the integrated gpu and the 720m?
Most of my gaming is done on a desktop that suits my needs. I would mostly use this laptop for studies/internet and some ocassional gaming (like some league of legends maybe).

Is the 40$ difference worth it to get the one with a dedicated gpu? Or should i just use those to buy a laptop bag and a cooling stand?


Both are fine for League of Legends, I'd save the $40.
MasaDaKing
Profile Joined December 2011
17 Posts
September 28 2013 19:39 GMT
#791
what about power? any comments on that? can i get something better with the same pricerange or do i perhaps need something else?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 19:52 GMT
#792
Power supply is good. If you want something better than look at the Superflower Golden Green 450 or Seasonic G 450.
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
September 28 2013 20:24 GMT
#793
Is it Possible to get a Haswell CPU working at maximum TurboBoost on all cores if you

a) not buying a K version (eg Intel Core i5-4670 all cores on 3.8 )
b) not having a Z87 Motherboard

?
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 20:40:36
September 28 2013 20:39 GMT
#794
a) yes, it's exactly like you mention, i.e. 38,38,37,36 can be set to 38,38,38,38
b) no idea, but... some H87 have a BIOS that actually lets you overclock just like with Z87.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 21:15:53
September 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#795

Hello,

I am going to build a computer for the first time. I am currently using a very old machine and it's time for a big upgrade. My line of work involves web design, film editing for commercials, effects work using After Effects, minor 3-D rendering, as well as lots and lots of photoshop and illustrator work and 2 (one day 3 monitors). Business has picked up dramatically for me lately and I need a new machine that can handle my line of work and be reliable. Also, if it can crush new games, that's a bonus

I live in Canada. My budget is $1500 to $1700. I will need:

- CPU
- GPU
- PSU
- Motherboard
- HDD
- SDD (don't need but would be nice
- Case

I was given a set of Corsair low-profile RAM (Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 9-9-9-24 1.50V) a few years back as a gift (didn't work with old motherboard). It's 4 sticks of 4GB for a total of 16 GB. So RAM is not needed (I think )

I was considering the following build (which as a newb, I'm sure it full of "wtf?" picks):

- CPU - i7 4770K - I figure this version will aid with the video editing and design software. I do plan on overclocking.

- GPU - GTX 770 - as above and, of course, games

- PSU - Corsair HX 650 or 750 - I have no idea what a good brand is or how much power I'll need

- Motherboard - Asus Z87 Pro - This is on sale at Canada Computers for $165 right now. Chosen for number of I/O ports, lots of drive options (but if I understand correctly, adding multiple graphic cards can be problematic in that they may have to turn off some SATA ports - not sure on this).

- HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1TB (have other drives already)

- SDD - Samsung 840 128GB.

- Case - Antec P280. Have the P180. Love it. Quiet, cool, durable as hell (survived baggage from Australia to Hawaii to Vancouver to Toronto - not planning on doing that again)

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am very new at this sort of thing and value the input in this thread.

Thanks in advance!

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 21:32 GMT
#796
On September 29 2013 06:10 Mjolnir wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello,

I am going to build a computer for the first time. I am currently using a very old machine and it's time for a big upgrade. My line of work involves web design, film editing for commercials, effects work using After Effects, minor 3-D rendering, as well as lots and lots of photoshop and illustrator work and 2 (one day 3 monitors). Business has picked up dramatically for me lately and I need a new machine that can handle my line of work and be reliable. Also, if it can crush new games, that's a bonus

I live in Canada. My budget is $1500 to $1700. I will need:

- CPU
- GPU
- PSU
- Motherboard
- HDD
- SDD (don't need but would be nice
- Case

I was given a set of Corsair low-profile RAM (Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 9-9-9-24 1.50V) a few years back as a gift (didn't work with old motherboard). It's 4 sticks of 4GB for a total of 16 GB. So RAM is not needed (I think )

I was considering the following build (which as a newb, I'm sure it full of "wtf?" picks):

- CPU - i7 4770K - I figure this version will aid with the video editing and design software. I do plan on overclocking.

- GPU - GTX 770 - as above and, of course, games

- PSU - Corsair HX 650 or 750 - I have no idea what a good brand is or how much power I'll need

- Motherboard - Asus Z87 Pro - This is on sale at Canada Computers for $165 right now. Chosen for number of I/O ports, lots of drive options (but if I understand correctly, adding multiple graphic cards can be problematic in that they may have to turn off some SATA ports - not sure on this).

- HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1TB (have other drives already)

- SDD - Samsung 840 128GB.

- Case - Antec P280. Have the P180. Love it. Quiet, cool, durable as hell (survived baggage from Australia to Hawaii to Vancouver to Toronto - not planning on doing that again)

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am very new at this sort of thing and value the input in this thread.

Thanks in advance!


The ASUS Z87 Pro is $165 after mail-in-rebate so... not a great price. The more expensive ASUS Z87 Pro probably offers nothing of value to you as opposed to a ~$115 after mail-in-rebate Gigabyte Z87X-D3H.

HX650 is good but unnecessary if you are not planning on adding a second GTX 770.

Samsung 840 Pro is sort of unnecessary and ~120GB is really small, especially when it comes to needing the Adobe Suite. I'd suggest getting a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB instead.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 21:50 GMT
#797
On September 29 2013 05:39 Ropid wrote:
a) yes, it's exactly like you mention, i.e. 38,38,37,36 can be set to 38,38,38,38
b) no idea, but... some H87 have a BIOS that actually lets you overclock just like with Z87.


I thought Intel locked the multiplier on Haswell? It's not like before where you could increase it by four.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 21:57:12
September 28 2013 21:51 GMT
#798
On September 29 2013 05:24 plgElwood wrote:
Is it Possible to get a Haswell CPU working at maximum TurboBoost on all cores if you

a) not buying a K version (eg Intel Core i5-4670 all cores on 3.8 )
b) not having a Z87 Motherboard

?


I think actually they locked this down on Haswell. You can overclock with some old h87 bios's though. I don't know detailed specifics, so ask around on overclock.net etc which ones and for details if it still works etc. You need a K CPU though for that.

Without specific bios or maybe specific h87 board >AND< K cpu, i'm not sure if you can even change the turbo ratio's any more, because there was talk of it being disabled when we made gen switch to haswell

To Mjolnir, i'd be careful buying 770. They're not good value in a lot of places ATM, in the UK for example we had good 7970 models as low as £224 while the good 770's were up at £320 or so - and arguably (depending on how you use the cards etc) 7970 could be considered a superior performance pick while costing 0.7x as much.

Also, the 7970's have 3gb of VRAM. If you can get one of those here for £224 on deals - 770's are up at like £310 for 2gb version. £400 for 4gb version. If you wanted more than 2gb of VRAM, you shouldn't buy the 770 (if you wanted, say, 2 gpu crossfire/sli for a 2560x1440 screen in the future with high settings and a bit of aa) but if you're not planning on using more than 2gb of VRAM, then it's still a questionable buy.

^Of course pricing is VERY different across markets, but be aware for value. Nvidia's holding high on their prices. If wherever you are buying from doesn't have the newer cheaper AMD GPU prices, they'll probably have them when the r9 280x rolls out very soon (few weeks?) my quote in the last page or two from overclockers.co.uk is relevant to this
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
September 28 2013 21:52 GMT
#799
On September 29 2013 06:32 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 06:10 Mjolnir wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello,

I am going to build a computer for the first time. I am currently using a very old machine and it's time for a big upgrade. My line of work involves web design, film editing for commercials, effects work using After Effects, minor 3-D rendering, as well as lots and lots of photoshop and illustrator work and 2 (one day 3 monitors). Business has picked up dramatically for me lately and I need a new machine that can handle my line of work and be reliable. Also, if it can crush new games, that's a bonus

I live in Canada. My budget is $1500 to $1700. I will need:

- CPU
- GPU
- PSU
- Motherboard
- HDD
- SDD (don't need but would be nice
- Case

I was given a set of Corsair low-profile RAM (Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 9-9-9-24 1.50V) a few years back as a gift (didn't work with old motherboard). It's 4 sticks of 4GB for a total of 16 GB. So RAM is not needed (I think )

I was considering the following build (which as a newb, I'm sure it full of "wtf?" picks):

- CPU - i7 4770K - I figure this version will aid with the video editing and design software. I do plan on overclocking.

- GPU - GTX 770 - as above and, of course, games

- PSU - Corsair HX 650 or 750 - I have no idea what a good brand is or how much power I'll need

- Motherboard - Asus Z87 Pro - This is on sale at Canada Computers for $165 right now. Chosen for number of I/O ports, lots of drive options (but if I understand correctly, adding multiple graphic cards can be problematic in that they may have to turn off some SATA ports - not sure on this).

- HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1TB (have other drives already)

- SDD - Samsung 840 128GB.

- Case - Antec P280. Have the P180. Love it. Quiet, cool, durable as hell (survived baggage from Australia to Hawaii to Vancouver to Toronto - not planning on doing that again)

Any input is greatly appreciated. I am very new at this sort of thing and value the input in this thread.

Thanks in advance!


The ASUS Z87 Pro is $165 after mail-in-rebate so... not a great price. The more expensive ASUS Z87 Pro probably offers nothing of value to you as opposed to a ~$115 after mail-in-rebate Gigabyte Z87X-D3H.

HX650 is good but unnecessary if you are not planning on adding a second GTX 770.

Samsung 840 Pro is sort of unnecessary and ~120GB is really small, especially when it comes to needing the Adobe Suite. I'd suggest getting a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB instead.


Thanks for the reply. I don't know much about MBs so I will take a look at your suggestion.

If the HX650 is overkill, is 550 something to aim for?

Thanks for the heads up on the Pro vs. Evo. A bit more digging and I see the difference is negligible. Good call


skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 28 2013 21:56 GMT
#800
Yes, something like a Seasonic G 550, Rosewill Capstone 550, Corsair RM550 would be good depending on price and availability at your retailer.
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