EPTI've googled around, looked around, and couldn't find a single result or tutorial or anything. I get the impression that it can't be changed, but you said it was a bug so maybe I should update my BIOS?
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Mavvie
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I've googled around, looked around, and couldn't find a single result or tutorial or anything. I get the impression that it can't be changed, but you said it was a bug so maybe I should update my BIOS? | ||
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skyR
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iTzSnypah
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
On September 27 2013 03:20 iTzSnypah wrote: Nvidia sets price/performance and AMD beats it. The 660 Ti for $165 is a good deal I would take it. It is a good deal, but I'm wondering if the new graphics cards from AMD will lower the prices of some of the better cards in the market in a few months. If so, then I can use the $165 towards a graphics card that out-performs the 660 Ti by a large margin. it's just that I'd have a wait a little longer. So basically . . . Is it better for me to spend the money now and buy the 660 Ti, or save it and wait a few more months and buy a better card? I think with AMD's new arrival I can get some good deals on their 7000 series during Cyber Monday, like the 7970, for the same price as my friend's offer. But I might be wrong. | ||
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skyR
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On September 27 2013 06:33 Headlines wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 03:20 iTzSnypah wrote: Nvidia sets price/performance and AMD beats it. The 660 Ti for $165 is a good deal I would take it. It is a good deal, but I'm wondering if the new graphics cards from AMD will lower the prices of some of the better cards in the market in a few months. If so, then I can use the $165 towards a graphics card that out-performs the 660 Ti by a large margin. it's just that I'd have a wait a little longer. So basically . . . Is it better for me to spend the money now and buy the 660 Ti, or save it and wait a few more months and buy a better card? I think with AMD's new arrival I can get some good deals on their 7000 series during Cyber Monday, like the 7970, for the same price as my friend's offer. But I might be wrong. I doubt it. Maybe you'll find some for $250 but there's no way $160 is happening. AMD has nothing new in the ~$200-$300 segment. Their R9 280X is most likely a refreshed 7970 while the R9 270X is most likely a 7870. | ||
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Cyro
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
http://www.overclock.net/t/146820/intel-overclocking-redefined-guide-to-successful-overclocking-with-nb-straps-in-mind However in the meanwhile I looked at reviews of my motherboard to see if they offer any clues and I read this on bit-tech's review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2007/09/24/msi_p35_diamond/2 Memory In sorry MSI, but pink is not a good colour. This isn't just a personal preference but it's a thought echoed by the guys in the bit-tech offices and a few of other people I've already discussed the board with. The memory slots are coloured according to channel, but memory sticks still need to be plugged in alternate slots for dual channel operation. This is in contrast to most boards where DIMMs are plugged in same coloured slots - MSI has stubbornly been doing this for years to the confusion of many, and while we always enjoy and encourage differentiation, we wish MSI would conform to the unwritten rule used by everyone else in this instance. Thankfully the slots are placed just high enough not to interfere with a long graphics card but popping ram in and out is slightly fiddly. T.T So now my RAM is dual channel and I picked up a Gflop in IBT. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 27 2013 03:07 Eisregen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi everybody! I was thinking about upgrading my system for some time now and an hour ago I got my hands on an i5 3570k on ebay (remarketing) as I had the feeling my CPU is the most limiting part at the moment, especially when it comes down to streaming BF3 and BF4 in the future. So my question is, which motherboard will be a good buy and which GPU might come in handy to play/stream games such as BF3 and BF4 on high settings (maybe RAM also?). A PCI Slot would be needed aswell, as I have a PCI Soundcard I want to keep using. What is your current build? CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955@3,6GHz CPU cooler: Scythe Mugen 3 Mobo: MSI 770-G45 RAM: 4x2GB G.Skill@1333MHz GPU: XFX HD6870 1GB 1 Samsung SSD 2x HDD 500MB and 2TB Sound: Asus Xonar D1 (PCI) PSU: BeQuiet StraightPower 480W CM (probably E7 imo) Internet connection: 2,5mbit up/50mbit down (Cable) What is your monitor's native resolution? Dell with 1920x1200 LG with 1680x1050 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? - Future proofing my PC again. - Being able to play games fluently and stream them, without that hard downside I have to deal with at the moment (low quality stream and reasonable lagging ingame due to fps drops (especially when flying the attack helicopter) What is your budget? Should be as low as possible, as I am a student. Preferrable remarketing products, which might lack gimmicks or are used already. What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I'd like to get as much as possible from here (especially MoBo and GPU): Mobo: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/categoryListing.html?cat1=16&cat2=515&cat3=0&sorted=true&manufacturer=true&tn=Produkte&l1=Komponenten&l2=Mainboards&l3=Intel&l4=Sockel 1155&size=50&column=1&direction=desc GPU: ATI Nvidia Thank you very much for your help, very appreciated! I'd suggest to first of all buy a motherboard. You can stay with the CPU cooler you have. I don't know about upgrading RAM or staying with it. RAM prices are pretty high at the moment. I think you should first research what to best do with your old CPU+motherboard. You could sell that together with your RAM or without. Faster RAM does not do very much, so it's only worth replacing your 1333 MHz RAM if you barely lose money by that. Current Intel CPUs don't have pins, if you didn't know this. The pins are instead in the motherboard socket. Do you know what happens if you buy a used motherboard on that site, and it comes with bent or broken pins in the CPU socket? Will the shop rip you off or will they take it back without issue? You might want to write them an email to ask if they test the motherboards they sell. About the motherboard and that site, for myself, I'd choose this one: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/799181 It's because I like overclocking a lot. That board is over-engineered in that regard compared to the competition. These are probably good: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/800222 http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/771933 Not quite sure about this one: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/799942 + Show Spoiler [Reasoning] + I had a few other boards open in tabs but closed those as it said the missing accessories included the rear panel for the case. I might have missed a bunch of good deals because of that. I tried to look up details about that Biostar TZ77B for 47.99 €. I found screenshots of its BIOS that were worrying. Something important for overclocking was missing. That might have just been the guys taking the screenshots being ignorant and not looking in the right place, so I don't know if it's a bad choice or not. You might want to risk it. That particular offer is also missing the rear panel for the case. I'm ignoring the MSI offerings. All those boards can only do fixed voltage overclocking. I'm uncomfortable keeping the CPU at full voltage all the time while being a bit aggressive with the overclocking. The Gigabyte Z77-DS3H is bad. You can't increase voltage on it. It's built for the CPU to be used with the stock cooler. I had bad experiences with the ASRock Z77 Pro4-M. You can't increase voltage much on it before you run into problems. I think your cooler is strong enough for that to happen. I don't really know about the Pro4 (without "M") and Pro3, so I didn't ignore them, but they might be just as bad. The Extreme4 should be good enough. I don't really know about ASUS, so I picked that P8Z77-V LK without a reason. I ignored the Z68 boards. I don't know what happens if you get one without updated BIOS. The 3570k might not run? I also don't really know about differences between Z77 and Z68. I was sorting the list by price and stopped scrolling after I saw that GA-Z77X-UD4H for 82 €. About the graphics card, I'd first try to use the current one and see how that works out with the new CPU+mobo and some overclocking. Your current one seems to be at the performance level of what's sold for about 100 € on that site you linked. | ||
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Eisregen
Germany967 Posts
On September 27 2013 14:23 Ropid wrote: I'd suggest to first of all buy a motherboard. You can stay with the CPU cooler you have. I don't know about upgrading RAM or staying with it. RAM prices are pretty high at the moment. I think you should first research what to best do with your old CPU+motherboard. You could sell that together with your RAM or without. Faster RAM does not do very much, so it's only worth replacing your 1333 MHz RAM if you barely lose money by that. Current Intel CPUs don't have pins, if you didn't know this. The pins are instead in the motherboard socket. Do you know what happens if you buy a used motherboard on that site, and it comes with bent or broken pins in the CPU socket? Will the shop rip you off or will they take it back without issue? You might want to write them an email to ask if they test the motherboards they sell. About the motherboard and that site, for myself, I'd choose this one: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/799181 It's because I like overclocking a lot. That board is over-engineered in that regard compared to the competition. These are probably good: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/800222 http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/771933 Not quite sure about this one: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/product/cat/799942 + Show Spoiler [Reasoning] + I had a few other boards open in tabs but closed those as it said the missing accessories included the rear panel for the case. I might have missed a bunch of good deals because of that. I tried to look up details about that Biostar TZ77B for 47.99 €. I found screenshots of its BIOS that were worrying. Something important for overclocking was missing. That might have just been the guys taking the screenshots being ignorant and not looking in the right place, so I don't know if it's a bad choice or not. You might want to risk it. That particular offer is also missing the rear panel for the case. I'm ignoring the MSI offerings. All those boards can only do fixed voltage overclocking. I'm uncomfortable keeping the CPU at full voltage all the time while being a bit aggressive with the overclocking. The Gigabyte Z77-DS3H is bad. You can't increase voltage on it. It's built for the CPU to be used with the stock cooler. I had bad experiences with the ASRock Z77 Pro4-M. You can't increase voltage much on it before you run into problems. I think your cooler is strong enough for that to happen. I don't really know about the Pro4 (without "M") and Pro3, so I didn't ignore them, but they might be just as bad. The Extreme4 should be good enough. I don't really know about ASUS, so I picked that P8Z77-V LK without a reason. I ignored the Z68 boards. I don't know what happens if you get one without updated BIOS. The 3570k might not run? I also don't really know about differences between Z77 and Z68. I was sorting the list by price and stopped scrolling after I saw that GA-Z77X-UD4H for 82 €. About the graphics card, I'd first try to use the current one and see how that works out with the new CPU+mobo and some overclocking. Your current one seems to be at the performance level of what's sold for about 100 € on that site you linked. Thanks for the input! This remarketing shop is owned by Alternate, so I guess they check their boards if they are functional, plus I can hand them back in again. But I will confirm that via email or phone also. I was looking at the Asrock Z77 Extreme4 and the Gigabyte boards also. Seems those are without any accessories (rear panel) included. But I actually can ebay those for 8EUR, so I might be good, as I can download the drivers via Inet and I dont need anything else than that and the rear panel, maybe a front USB3.0 (Dunno)? I will stick to my current RAM nd GPU and see how that p(l)ays out, as I really believe my Phenom is currently holding me back the most. | ||
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XenOmega
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When I set it up, : 1- The compuiter will boot, but I get no signal on my monitor 2- The fans of the GPU sometimes don't spin 3- The mouse and keyboard sometimes don't power up my specs are : i5-2500k (not sure if I've overclocked) Seasonic 600W : http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=2222106802&vpn=SS-600ET&manufacture=Seasonic 8gb ram I'm leaning toward my PSU being not strong enough, but at the same time, my PSU is supposed to have enough watt to meet the minimum... According to some review, I need like 500-550W | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
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e. And I guess that problem would present itself only when the components are pushed to the max. | ||
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skyR
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Forgottenfrog
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xps700. I am not able to get the specification from it because it does not work. When I turn it on, the fan run but that is about it. The computer does not really start and I do not know what is wrong with it. Since I had the computer for 8 years, its about time to upgrade. + Show Spoiler + http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-xps-700-intel/4507-3118_7-31972975.html -Intel core duo -2gb ram ddr2 -nvidia geforce 7900gtx x2 I got the computer as a gift in high school and it holds a lot of sentimental value so I do not want to toss it away. I want to fix/upgrade whatever that is necessary. What is your monitor's native resolution? 24" dell monitor I got 8 years ago that came with xps700. Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to upgrade because my current desktop computer stopped working. I want to be able to play SC2 and Dota2 with high settings. What is your budget? $500-$800 What country will you be buying your parts in? USA-california If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I have no preference as long as the system works well and last long. -edit- I can take pictures of parts or record what happens when I press the power button if u guys need it. Also there's a light that stays on that is located on the motherboard if that points to any signs. It stays on regardless of being on or off. | ||
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XenOmega
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On September 28 2013 03:22 skyR wrote: Sounds like your 6870 is DOA and the blinking underscore means its trying to find the boot drive. I just tested it on my brother computer, the 7870 is working. I've done several tests that are leading me to believe that the card is not faulty. I've tried switching "working" PSU with mine. The issue remains I've tried putting the 1650 AND the 7870 (both cards at the same time since I have 2x PCI express), the computer will not boot as soon as the 7870 is on On NCIX forum, someone pointed this out Someone else had a similar problem last week with a gigabyte 7970. Videocard was incompatible with the UEFI motherboard. He changed the motherboard bios to legacy mode to fix it (then flash the videocard with a uefi compatible bios). Brad - See more at: http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&forum=116&threadid=2630307&pagenumber=1&msgcount=7&subpage=1#sthash.G6wCiRvq.dpuf | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:18 Forgottenfrog wrote: What is your current build? xps700. I am not able to get the specification from it because it does not work. When I turn it on, the fan run but that is about it. The computer does not really start and I do not know what is wrong with it. Since I had the computer for 8 years, its about time to upgrade. + Show Spoiler + http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-xps-700-intel/4507-3118_7-31972975.html -Intel core duo -2gb ram ddr2 -nvidia geforce 7900gtx x2 I got the computer as a gift in high school and it holds a lot of sentimental value so I do not want to toss it away. I want to fix/upgrade whatever that is necessary. What is your monitor's native resolution? 24" dell monitor I got 8 years ago that came with xps700. Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to upgrade because my current desktop computer stopped working. I want to be able to play SC2 and Dota2 with high settings. What is your budget? $500-$800 What country will you be buying your parts in? USA-california If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I have no preference as long as the system works well and last long. -edit- I can take pictures of parts or record what happens when I press the power button if u guys need it. Also there's a light that stays on that is located on the motherboard if that points to any signs. It stays on regardless of being on or off. It's not worth upgrading. Because upgrading is literally throwing away everything but the case and the PSU (if it's a custom form factor). I would just start new and get a 1080p monitor while your at it. E: The graphics card is most likely dead. | ||
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