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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
pretty good if they can get something good with hardware gpu+engine sound especially on first person stuff, but super bad presentation | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
certainly amusing presentation edit: Why did they have to partner with twitch?  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Maybe Mantle is interesting, but no real performance numbers/information about high end, and no price either http://www.overclock.net/t/1429260/yt-amd-gpu14-product-showcase-livestream/1480_20 | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
This should be able to outperform a 770, have more RAM, but obviously cost less than a 780/290X. Frankly not really interested in the other SKUs haha. Assuming these numbers hold and are eventually substantiated, the $449 290(non-X) is the GPU of interest here, considering the 7950's were the bang-for-buck SKUs from the last gen. http://wccftech.com/generation-amd-hawaii-gpu-architecture-unveiled/ | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:58 Ropid wrote: Man... that shit feels like a flash back to ten years ago or something. I'm pretty sure all of that was how sound cards were sold. It fell into disuse and games just did the positioning and mixing of audio in software instead and it was fine. I thought hardware-accelerated sound didn't just fall into disuse - changes in windows made it virtually impossible to pull off? | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Before: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/66CRftQ.jpg) After: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6XaaQZb.jpg) What I really posted for is that after I put the computer back together my battery died. So I put in all my settings in the bios right, exactly as before. Now I BSOD'd like no tomorrow when I loaded the CPU, so naturally I checked every connection and when that didn't produce any explanations I loaded the stock settings and that solved my problem. Then I re-overclocked and now it works fine. WTF wierd Also I realized my RAM is PC3-10667 and not DDR3-1067 yay. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ikrTQS3.jpg) What's this doing? The top fans are both exhaust, right? (intake wouldn't make sense, one of each would cause turbulence) So the goal of that fan is to (1) increase negative pressure so you get more dust inside, (2) steal air from the CPU cooler so that runs slightly hotter, and (3) increase noise slightly? Uh, it might lower GPU temps very slightly. Depends on layout and the card. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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::Rhapsody
Canada124 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 26 2013 21:29 Incognoto wrote: What card is that btw? Sapphire HD7850 1GB Dual-X cooler. The card is incredibly flimsy. On September 26 2013 21:15 Myrmidon wrote: What's this doing? The top fans are both exhaust, right? (intake wouldn't make sense, one of each would cause turbulence) So the goal of that fan is to (1) increase negative pressure so you get more dust inside, (2) steal air from the CPU cooler so that runs slightly hotter, and (3) increase noise slightly? Uh, it might lower GPU temps very slightly. Depends on layout and the card. It doesn't increase CPU temps. I've tested because I had the same thought as you. I tested intake/exhaust/no fan (with my old graphics card which was a blower) and the results were inconclusive so I just left it as an exhaust. Also I have 6 fans (intake 2x front 1x side, exhaust 2x top 1x rear). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:06 ::Rhapsody wrote: Yeah, I might SLI. It's a pretty scrubby question. But I was gonna OC the i5 too, and I'm not sure if the Z87C is too good for that--- I'm super bad with these things. z87 is overclocking chipset, the boards that are not designed for high overclocks are way cheaper | ||
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AloneWolf
Canada2 Posts
I fall under the Canadian Typical Gamer Sample Build, with around $1000 CAN, except I would overclock if it was cost efficient. This budget is not set in stone. What is your monitor's native resolution? I have a Dell U2412M, which is 1920 x 1200. One day I will acquire a second monitor and go dual screen, but not in the near future. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC2 and LOL are the only games I play at the moment. High settings would be appreciated. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Not anything out of the usual. I don't have my own stream, or need to upload, render or encode anything. I don't do any audio or graphics editing. Do you intend to overclock? Yes if it is cost efficient. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? I do but I can get one from University at a reduced price. Please don't include this in the budget. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I do not, it is not. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I don't know if this is a requirement but this computer will have to access the internet wirelessly, I cannot plug it into the network. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. There is a Memory Express near my house, I believe they should be willing to price match. In the old thread one of the questions asked about upgrade cycle. For me this would be in 3 to 4 years. It was also asked when I would build it. I will be building it as soon as possible. This is my first build as you can tell, so you can let that influence the case recommendation and the video card recommendation as I have never overclocked before. Thank you all in advance. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 27 2013 01:29 AloneWolf wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? I fall under the Canadian Typical Gamer Sample Build, with around $1000 CAN, except I would overclock if it was cost efficient. This budget is not set in stone. What is your monitor's native resolution? I have a Dell U2412M, which is 1920 x 1200. One day I will acquire a second monitor and go dual screen, but not in the near future. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC2 and LOL are the only games I play at the moment. High settings would be appreciated. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Not anything out of the usual. I don't have my own stream, or need to upload, render or encode anything. I don't do any audio or graphics editing. Do you intend to overclock? Yes if it is cost efficient. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? I do but I can get one from University at a reduced price. Please don't include this in the budget. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I do not, it is not. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I don't know if this is a requirement but this computer will have to access the internet wirelessly, I cannot plug it into the network. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. There is a Memory Express near my house, I believe they should be willing to price match. In the old thread one of the questions asked about upgrade cycle. For me this would be in 3 to 4 years. It was also asked when I would build it. I will be building it as soon as possible. This is my first build as you can tell, so you can let that influence the case recommendation and the video card recommendation as I have never overclocked before. Thank you all in advance. It's not cost efficient to OC haswell. You can get higher absolute performance however. Let's compare the cost of OC vs No OC: OC i5-4670K $240 Gigabyte Z87-UD3H $130 Noctua U14S $75 $435 And you get 4.3Ghz unless you put a ton of time into tweaking Non-OC i5-4670 $220 ASRock H81M $60 $280 And you get a 3.6/3.7/3.8Ghz computer (3-4/2/1 core active) $435 / 4.3 = $10.1 per 100Mhz $280 / 3.6-3.8 = $7.77-7.37 per 100Mhz You would need to get 5.6Ghz with the OC setup to be cost efficient (which is impossible). You can always OC a graphics card. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
You actually made me curious with OC vs price scaling now, maybe i'll throw in a quick update soon  Overclocking is much more beneficial if it is more multi purpose (helping with stuff like streaming etc) than buying a ton of stuff to run one game at higher FPS, though. Can hurt the budget quite a lot | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On September 27 2013 02:14 Cyro wrote: In terms of chips, i5 with high end cooling now i'd expect like 4.5ghz, +-200mhz. I've definately seen more 4.5-4.7 on 1.3v than under 4.5 though, i can name half a dozen people with 4.5-4.7 on 1.2-1.3vcore and none with less, but you can always get super lucky or unlucky. I think a lot of claims are exaggerated by poorly skilled or uninformed overclockers, though. Haswell's definately the hardest chip in a long time for somebody with no knowledge to go in blind with, though it doesn't seem very hard at all to follow a quick profile with a little bit of guidance and get good results You actually made me curious with OC vs price scaling now, maybe i'll throw in a quick update soon Overclocking is much more beneficial if it is more multi purpose (helping with stuff like streaming etc) than buying a ton of stuff to run one game at higher FPS, though. Can hurt the budget quite a lot I wish, man... still having trouble with mine, although less after the recent nvidia driver update. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 27 2013 02:14 Cyro wrote: In terms of chips, i5 with high end cooling now i'd expect like 4.5ghz, +-200mhz. I've definately seen more 4.5-4.7 on 1.3v than under 4.5 though, i can name half a dozen people with 4.5-4.7 on 1.2-1.3vcore and none with less, but you can always get super lucky or unlucky. I think a lot of claims are exaggerated by poorly skilled or uninformed overclockers, though. Haswell's definately the hardest chip in a long time for somebody with no knowledge to go in blind with, though it doesn't seem very hard at all to follow a quick profile with a little bit of guidance and get good results You actually made me curious with OC vs price scaling now, maybe i'll throw in a quick update soon Overclocking is much more beneficial if it is more multi purpose (helping with stuff like streaming etc) than buying a ton of stuff to run one game at higher FPS, though. Can hurt the budget quite a lot Going with the cheapest z87 mobo ($100) and the cheapest 120mm hsf ($20) we still get: 360 / 4.3 = $8.37 per 100 Mhz and if you somehow get 4.5 it's $8 flat. | ||
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Eisregen
Germany967 Posts
I was thinking about upgrading my system for some time now and an hour ago I got my hands on an i5 3570k on ebay (remarketing) as I had the feeling my CPU is the most limiting part at the moment, especially when it comes down to streaming BF3 and BF4 in the future. So my question is, which motherboard will be a good buy and which GPU might come in handy to play/stream games such as BF3 and BF4 on high settings (maybe RAM also?). A PCI Slot would be needed aswell, as I have a PCI Soundcard I want to keep using. What is your current build? CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955@3,6GHz CPU cooler: Scythe Mugen 3 Mobo: MSI 770-G45 RAM: 4x2GB G.Skill@1333MHz GPU: XFX HD6870 1GB 1 Samsung SSD 2x HDD 500MB and 2TB Sound: Asus Xonar D1 (PCI) PSU: BeQuiet StraightPower 480W CM (probably E7 imo) Internet connection: 2,5mbit up/50mbit down (Cable) What is your monitor's native resolution? Dell with 1920x1200 LG with 1680x1050 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? - Future proofing my PC again. - Being able to play games fluently and stream them, without that hard downside I have to deal with at the moment (low quality stream and reasonable lagging ingame due to fps drops (especially when flying the attack helicopter) What is your budget? Should be as low as possible, as I am a student. Preferrable remarketing products, which might lack gimmicks or are used already. What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I'd like to get as much as possible from here (especially MoBo and GPU): Mobo: http://www.remarketinghits.de/doc/categoryListing.html?cat1=16&cat2=515&cat3=0&sorted=true&manufacturer=true&tn=Produkte&l1=Komponenten&l2=Mainboards&l3=Intel&l4=Sockel 1155&size=50&column=1&direction=desc GPU: ATI Nvidia Thank you very much for your help, very appreciated! | ||
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
I have a couple of questions. The first concerns AMD's new line of graphics cards. How will they affect the prices of current graphics cards? I'm looking at two cards in particular, the Radeon HD 7970 (non-ghz edition) and the GTX 770. Will they both have a sufficient price drop by maybe Cyber Monday in November? Am I being unrealistic if I'm hoping for a $300 770? What about a $200 7970? The other question is about a trusted friend who's offering his year old 660 Ti for $165 (includes shipping). Newegg Link I'm currently using a 9800 GTX+ because the GTX 470 I was using died. Hence, why I am near to drooling over this offer. So is this offer too good to pass up on? Or is it better for me to save the money now and pay for a better graphics card later on? Maybe by Cyber Monday? Thank you! | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 27 2013 03:08 Headlines wrote: Hey Guys, I have a couple of questions. The first concerns AMD's new line of graphics cards. How will they affect the prices of current graphics cards? I'm looking at two cards in particular, the Radeon HD 7970 (non-ghz edition) and the GTX 770. Will they both have a sufficient price drop by maybe Cyber Monday in November? Am I being unrealistic if I'm hoping for a $300 770? What about a $200 7970? The other question is about a trusted friend who's offering his year old 660 Ti for $165 (includes shipping). Newegg Link I'm currently using a 9800 GTX+ because the GTX 470 I was using died. Hence, why I am near to drooling over this offer. So is this offer too good to pass up on? Or is it better for me to save the money now and pay for a better graphics card later on? Maybe by Cyber Monday? Thank you! Nvidia sets price/performance and AMD beats it. The 660 Ti for $165 is a good deal I would take it. | ||
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