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Pushing is always slightly better on a tower style CPU cooler. This is not just theoretical, there was a lot of testing done by some dude on overclock.net forums with a single tower and a two-tower style cooler and a lot of fans.
A good explanation in my mind is, when the fan is "sucking", it draws air from all directions. At any point in space you look, the air moves slower on that side of the fan. On the blowing side, it's directed, so you'll have points in space where it's very slow or not moving at all, and points where it's moving very fast. You can have it move fast exactly where you want it to.
Think of your vacuum cleaner. It has to sit directly on top of dirt to be able to move it. If you use it in its blow mode, you can blow dirt away from a distance.
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Need some advice for a build I'm running for my SO,
CPU i5 4570
GPU
RAM Gskill RipjawsX 2X4GB 1600
MOBO AsRock H81M
PSU SuperFlower HX600W Golden Green Modular
Case Bitfenix Prodigy matx
SSD Plextor M5S 128
Currently stuck here, was wondering what would be a suitable GPU for her?
She uses 2 monitors usually, both 1080p 60Hz, 1 monitor for gaming and a 2nd monitor for watching stuff or just general usage. I'm thinking of a GTX760 for her to be able to play on non-ulta settings at good framerates. Will the superflower be enough juice?
Also RAM prices here are amazingly expensive so the Gskill is the cheapest dual channel stick available. It is however low voltage at 1.35 instead of 1.5, I hope this wont cause an issue. We will be reusing her old 2TB 7200 rpm Barracuda as the main HD.
Assuming we go for the 760 this build will cost around 800 usd.
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You can get the 450w variant of the Golden Green as a non-overclocked configuration such as this won't even approach 300w.
Playing on non-ultra settings is seriously vague. Playing the latest AAA titles on high than sure a GTX 760 is an okay choice. If not than it's mostly a waste of money.
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On September 25 2013 15:54 skyR wrote:
You can get the 450w variant of the Golden Green as a non-overclocked configuration such as this won't even approach 300w.
Playing on non-ultra settings is seriously vague. Playing the latest AAA titles on high than sure a GTX 760 is an okay choice. If not than it's mostly a waste of money.
I am always open to suggestions of how to reduce costs. We have not received the AMD markdown price for their cards here so another option would be the 650ti. Seems like a good change to save a little. She does play most new AAA titles, with GTA5 being an example of upcoming ports to PC she would like to play.
As for the PSU I heard that the power will decrease over the years which worried me. The PC will also be powering a Xonar Essense STX or External DAC connected through USB. I guess I can downgrade to 450W safely anyways, or would 550w be better? I've checked the 12v rails and these seem to provide enough amperage for their rated wattage respectively.
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Power supplies degrading is blown way out of proportion. For a normal person, any quality unit such as a Golden Green will still be able to output its rated power ten years from now. If you're not a normal person and stress the computer 24/7, neglect cleaning dust, or you live in a place that is constantly 50C than yes you should account for degradation.
If you want to play on the safe side than get a GTX 760 but a $100-$200 card like the GTX 650 Ti Boost or GTX 660 is typically fine for most people.
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On September 25 2013 16:26 skyR wrote:
Power supplies degrading is blown way out of proportion. For a normal person, any quality unit such as a Golden Green will still be able to output its rated power ten years from now. If you're not a normal person and stress the computer 24/7, neglect cleaning dust, or you live in a place that is constantly 50C than yes you should account for degradation.
If you want to play on the safe side than get a GTX 760 but a $100-$200 card like the GTX 650 Ti Boost or GTX 660 is typically fine for most people.
Alright! I am a little worried of our almost constant 70-80% humidity 90+ is not unheard of and its impact on the PSU but I guess its not an issue. 1 final question and I'll be done. Low Voltage ram will not cause anything bad to happen right?
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No issues but you probably shouldn't be paying extra for them over the typical 1.5v RAM.
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On September 25 2013 16:40 skyR wrote:
No issues but you probably shouldn't be paying extra for them over the typical 1.5v RAM.
Its cheaper here than 1.5v even value ram for some reason, unless I go for 1x8GB of value ram.
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
I loved the massive countdown into promt hour delay when the stream broke after 7 minutes
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I'm thinking of upgrading from an asus z 87c, but im not sure to what. I haven't heard good things of the z87c, but I'm unsure why it gets such a bad rep. What should I upgrade to?
I want to overclock an i6 4670k, and I think I can with a z 87 c.
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The low-end ASUS boards aren't popular because they're overpriced but why would you upgrade from a Z87 to a Z87? Why didn't you just buy the one you wanted or needed in the first place?
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Why? What isn't working at the moment with your current Asus Z87C?
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United States9452 Posts
Why?
Why upgrade same socket? It's mostly a waste of time and money unless you're an overclocking MHz pincher (that somehow ended up on a lower-end board in the first place, how?) or suddenly come into some needs with respect to ports and expansion slots that can't be rectified by adding expansion cards (e.g. SATA controllers, Wi-Fi, etc.) or external USB devices, or suddenly have a burning need to go SLI or something niche.
If it works fine, keep using it. If it doesn't, get an RMA unless it's a problem with all boards of that model.
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
I love the simultaneous confusion, there was a disturbance in the force :D
<3
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Since you guys are all awesome cats I'll just ask you about this.
My gf is looking for a new 14" laptop below 500€ for university mostly. The probably hardest requirements would be for like playing Don't Starve, watching streams or watching Dota games ingame (aka most likely irrelevant).
The big points would be that it's as quiet and cool as possible during normal use (her current one is a HP G62-120EG and runs both incredibly hot and incredibly loud), 4-5h+ of battery lifespan (aka most likely irrelevant as well) and, if something in that category exists, with a SSD.
Are there any series that are known for the whole cool/quiet thing specifically? That's pretty much all it comes down to. OS should be Win7 so if there is any catch as to only being able to install something else for some reason it should be mentioned. :3
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I don't know how much this helps, but Windows 8 has the same under-the-hood changes to extend how much the CPU can stay idle like in that OS X version that runs on those MacBooks with the magical 10 hour run time on battery.
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
No price of performance numbers for flagship card and a bunch of boring dudes talking about audio
I thought this was a GPU reveal not a true audio conference
It's funny that everybody with headphones has bleeding ears because of the audio issues on screen while they talk about advancing audio
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Lol, how long is this suppose to be? They've been going on about audio for an hour -.-
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On September 26 2013 05:33 Cyro wrote:
No price of performance numbers for flagship card and a bunch of boring dudes talking about audio
I thought this was a GPU reveal not a true audio conference
It's funny that everybody with headphones has bleeding ears because of the audio issues on screen while they talk about advancing audio
Yeah I don't get it. Anyone who truly cares about audio uses things other than their GPU for audio lol. If you're gonna be boring at least put up numbers that mean something relative to processing power.
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