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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On September 23 2013 11:15 Soap wrote: Your router supports a couple of Brother printers as per http://event.asus.com/2009/networks/printersupport/rt_n56u.htm. Plug yours and see if it works. Otherwise you need a print server. From that list, it doesn't appear to support mine :S | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
Reading responses to my previous question it was stated a different motherboard was needed to support front panel stuff (I'm assuming thats usb ports, sound ports at the front of the case). What motherboard to get...? As for cases, I'm looking for a case with front header, good air flow. I'm guessing there is a choice for metal and plastic case? Iv read some reviews and the fractal design r4 pops up the most along with rosewill..? I'm looking for a <150 case with stock fans. Please list maybe 3 cases fitting these criteria and a general opinion (Side question, is the medium or large just paying for extra stock fans and spacing or the amount of airflow being passed through case) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
If you're talking about Define R4 versus Define R2 XL, you'd be paying for the extra space. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Look at the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2. Stripped to its metal parts it's very similar to the Define R4, it seems. It has no door obstructing air flow and no dampening. It comes with one more stock fan. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for in a case. The only possible front panel conflicts are the USB 3.0 ports, which aren't all that important unless you actually have a USB 3.0 device. So for example, the front panel on the Bit Fenix Merc Beta that I recommended has the following: 1x power button 1x reset button 1x power light 1x HDD light 1x Audio out (headphones/speakers) 1x Audio in (microphone) 4x USB 2.0 connections The motherboard I provided can power those front panel USB connections just fine and also provides 2x USB 2.0 and 2x USB 3.0 connections on the back panel. By contrast the Fractal Design R4 has almost exactly the same front panel, except it has 2x USB 2.0 & 2x USB 3.0 connections on the front panel instead of 4x USB 2.0. It is only here there is a motherboard conflict, as the board I recommended has no USB 3.0 internal header, so those slots would be inactive without a better motherboard. Other than the front panel cases can be relatively easy to tool around in (the Beta is fine for a simple build), have water-cooling mounts or a particularly large clearing for the biggest tower heatsinks (the Beta can fit normal air coolers, but not water cooling), have sound-dampening (the Beta does not, the R4 does), have tool-less features (I personally have no problem with a screwdriver & screws), or can fit unusual-size motherboards (both the R4 & the Beta can fit the two most common sizes, mATX & ATX, just fine - this is what skyR is talking about with the Define R2 XL, which can fit larger motherboards than either the Beta or the R4. This is a feature you don't need). Airflow generally isn't much of a concern (read: all reasonable case options are going to be fine) unless you have a particularly demanding video card or are aggressively overclocking. Again, the case I recommended was due to also recommending a locked system that's not going to need to worry about cooling. As for better cases than the Beta, you don't need to spend anywhere near $150. An $110 Fractal Design R4 (ncix.ca) or something like a Bit Fenix Ghost will do just fine. The R4 is a bit better between the two. Most of the recommended Rosewill cases are in the acceptable/cheap category, which for my money the Beta is better at. Also you're only going to find Rosewill at newegg. | ||
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maggle
Australia70 Posts
$1000 AUD (roughly $940 USD) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota 2, Tera Rising, Starcraft 2 and maybe some FPS's What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Movies, web browsing, microsoft office Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? 1x23" or larger monitor. I have two existing monitors but plan to give the smaller one to my brother. I have also recently purchased a Radeon 7750 2GB GDDR3 (accidental upgrade because my brother thought his card broke and bought one but couldn't return it) card and plan to use it for this build. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I would like a decent sound card, an SSD drive, a medium sized case. What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No preferences, as long as it's cheap. Thanks guys! Intel Core i5 4670K LGA1150 CPU 3.4Ghz 6Mb Cache Haswell - 270 Umart MSI B85-G43-GAMING B85, 4DDR3, RAID, PCIE3.0, 2SATA3, 2USB3, DVI, HDMI, ATX - 128 Umart G Skill 8G(2x4G)DDR3 1600Mhz PC3-12800 CL8(F3-12800CL8D-8GB - 104 Umart Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA III 6Gbs 2.5 7mm 540MB/s/520MB/s - 189 Umart 2xWestern Digital Blue 1TB SATA3 HDD 64M Caviar Blue WD10EZEX - 136 Umart ASUS Xonar_DX/XD/A Sound Card - 84 Umart Corsair TX-650 V2 650W ATX Power - 124 Umart Lian Li Lancool PC-K62 Black Case w Window(NO PSU) or Fractal Design ARC R2 Mid Tower Case Black ( USB3.0 ) - 125 Umart LiteON SATA DVD-RW 24X Black - 19 Umart LG 24EN43VS-B 23.6"LED,16  ,1920x1080,5MS,VGA,DVI,HDMI,VESA - 175 UmartCooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler - 25 Umart Sapphire 7750 2GB DDR3 - 0 existing Total: 1379 Edited: Added OC'ing preference + preliminary parts list. I need to shave off $300 somewhere 2nd Edit: Changed some parts after looking sample builds | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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TechTornado
27 Posts
I intend to use this for gaming on a 23" monitor and perhaps on a 55" LED HDTV in the future Please criticize my build! MSI P67A-C45 I5-2500K OCed to 4.3ghz. Cooling: Contac 29 load temp below 78C EVGA GTX 690 non-OC. Cooling: EK Waterblock + Backplate load temp below 55C 4x 2GB 1333Mhz Team Elite Ram 120GB Kingston Hyper X SSD (OS + Core games goes here) 1TB WDC Blue Epsillon 600W I have a spare 120GB SSD and 500GB WDC Green I could use. Temporarily scraping them as I am afraid of limited power supply Do I need to up my PSU? Any chance of bottleneck in my build? Any chance to get more performance by changing any parts? (If it is worth it) Thank you in advance! | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The PSU should work. + Show Spoiler + I'm also one of the people that bitch about input latency not being as good as it could be with NVIDIA drivers. I'd be very worried about how SLI would feel as it needs to introduce even more delay to make things look smooth when synchronizing the two GPUs. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On September 24 2013 08:55 Leeoku wrote: Thanks for the clearup fred. Basically I haven't used a desktop for so so long and the front panel (with usb or sound ports) were never there in the super "old" pcs and just wanted one that does. I guess that became a standard Do you want usb 3 on the front panel too (or you just plug usb 3 stuff into the back)? And do you need more than 8 usb ports? If you don't there's not much point changing the build you got. And front panel stuff like that has been around for like 15 years, I have a low end computer from between p3 with all that front panel jazz, and numerous old p4's. On September 24 2013 08:39 maggle wrote: stuff. - RAM is too expensive. You should easily be able to get 8GB 1600MHz in australia for under $90. - HDD is massively overpriced. 2TB should be less than that. As an example, it's $70 on pccasegear (but shipping's a bitch from there). 1x 2tb is way cheaper than 2x1tb as well. - Xonar DX doesn't even have a headphone amp, are you driving speakers or headphones? Unless you have decent headphones or have issues with onboard sound (it's rare but happened to me), don't get a sound card. It can easily be added later if onboard is insufficient. - You can get $60 cases with the same basic functionality. - Power supply is ridiculously overkill for a single gpu build, a 7750 + 3570k can be run off a ~350watt np. - That's a lot of money for a low end 1080p TN monitor | ||
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TechTornado
27 Posts
GTX690 should beat even the titan when running on SLI properly? | ||
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maggle
Australia70 Posts
On September 24 2013 09:45 Rollin wrote: - RAM is too expensive. You should easily be able to get 8GB 1600MHz in australia for under $90. - HDD is massively overpriced. 2TB should be less than that. As an example, it's $70 on pccasegear (but shipping's a bitch from there). 1x 2tb is way cheaper than 2x1tb as well. - Xonar DX doesn't even have a headphone amp, are you driving speakers or headphones? Unless you have decent headphones or have issues with onboard sound (it's rare but happened to me), don't get a sound card. It can easily be added later if onboard is insufficient. - You can get $60 cases with the same basic functionality. - Power supply is ridiculously overkill for a single gpu build, a 7750 + 3570k can be run off a ~350watt np. - That's a lot of money for a low end 1080p TN monitor - Yeah, the G Skill Ripjaws X are more expensive than other brands. It was just recommended on the sample builds page. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to computer parts but I've been recommended to get the Ripjaws X in the past. Maybe you can shed some light on the matter. - I wanted to get 2x1TB for a raid0 config (this may change though depending on how much over the budget I am) - I'm currently using 5.1 speakers but I also have some headphones I use every here and then. - Again, just taken off the sample builds. The other case I considered was the Lian Li LanCool. I want a mid sized tower that's sturdy and easy for building. Do you have any recommendations? - I've been looking out for monitors too and I haven't been able to find anything cheap. If you could recommend one that would be great. I'm thinking of just using my existing two monitors instead of upgrading one now though (one is currently 1920x1080 and the other isn't) All depends on the final price of the PC. Any general recommendations for cheap suppliers would be awesome as well. Thanks for the response! EDIT: I just want to add that the price is flexible - I definitely can spend more than $1000, i would just prefer not to but I can spend more if I think there's value for money there. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 24 2013 09:46 TechTornado wrote: Hi you are totally right about upgrading a computer from 2 years ago GTX690 should beat even the titan when running on SLI properly? There's just no point. You should buy a GTX 780. It's like buying a truck for the same money you'd get a BMW 7 for. You'll have more fun with the Titan or GTX 780 on your single screen. The GTX 780 will also save like $400 to use somewhere else, buying that TV earlier or something. | ||
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TechTornado
27 Posts
I am considering a 3 screen set-up once I get the proper table and chair or a 55" HDTV | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 24 2013 09:56 maggle wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 24 2013 09:45 Rollin wrote: - RAM is too expensive. You should easily be able to get 8GB 1600MHz in australia for under $90. - HDD is massively overpriced. 2TB should be less than that. As an example, it's $70 on pccasegear (but shipping's a bitch from there). 1x 2tb is way cheaper than 2x1tb as well. - Xonar DX doesn't even have a headphone amp, are you driving speakers or headphones? Unless you have decent headphones or have issues with onboard sound (it's rare but happened to me), don't get a sound card. It can easily be added later if onboard is insufficient. - You can get $60 cases with the same basic functionality. - Power supply is ridiculously overkill for a single gpu build, a 7750 + 3570k can be run off a ~350watt np. - That's a lot of money for a low end 1080p TN monitor - Yeah, the G Skill Ripjaws X are more expensive than other brands. It was just recommended on the sample builds page. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to computer parts but I've been recommended to get the Ripjaws X in the past. Maybe you can shed some light on the matter. - I wanted to get 2x1TB for a raid0 config (this may change though depending on how much over the budget I am) - I'm currently using 5.1 speakers but I also have some headphones I use every here and then. - Again, just taken off the sample builds. The other case I considered was the Lian Li LanCool. I want a mid sized tower that's sturdy and easy for building. Do you have any recommendations? - I've been looking out for monitors too and I haven't been able to find anything cheap. If you could recommend one that would be great. I'm thinking of just using my existing two monitors instead of upgrading one now though (one is currently 1920x1080 and the other isn't) All depends on the final price of the PC. Any general recommendations for cheap suppliers would be awesome as well. Thanks for the response! EDIT: I just want to add that the price is flexible - I definitely can spend more than $1000, i would just prefer not to but if I can spend more if I think there's value for money there. G.Skill is generally more expensive than the lesser known brands but that is overly expensive. PC Case Gear has 2133MHz for $92: http://www.pccasegear.com/?main_page=product_info&products_id=17522 If you want speed, forget RAID0 and get an SSD. The average consumer has no need for RAID0, it's a complete waste of money. Arc Midi R2 is way better than the Lian Li if both are at the same price. But if you are so over your budget than this would be one of the first areas to compromise on. And as Rollin mentions, get rid of the sound card if you're over your budget. B85 can't overclock, you need a Z87 to do so. And TX3 is a shit heatsink so either get a good heatsink or forget about overclocking. Corsair TX650v2 is old and there are probably better options but why are you getting a 650w power supply when you have a budget video card? | ||
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maggle
Australia70 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:32 skyR wrote: G.Skill is generally more expensive than the lesser known brands but that is overly expensive. PC Case Gear has 2133MHz for $92: http://www.pccasegear.com/?main_page=product_info&products_id=17522 If you want speed, forget RAID0 and get an SSD. The average consumer has no need for RAID0, it's a complete waste of money. Arc Midi R2 is way better than the Lian Li if both are at the same price. But if you are so over your budget than this would be one of the first areas to compromise on. And as Rollin mentions, get rid of the sound card if you're over your budget. B85 can't overclock, you need a Z87 to do so. And TX3 is a shit heatsink so either get a good heatsink or forget about overclocking. Corsair TX650v2 is old and there are probably better options but why are you getting a 650w power supply when you have a budget video card? Thanks for the response and the cheaper find at PCCG. I've decided to buy a new graphics card too. I've realised there's no way I can get sub $1000 for the parts I want. Parts list is now: Intel Core i5 4670K LGA1150 CPU 3.4Ghz 6Mb Cache Haswell - 270 Gigabyte Z87-D3HP 4x DDR3 4xPCI-E 2xPCI 6xSATA3 10xUSB3.0 HDMI D-SUB - 155 Powercolor Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB - 229 G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL (2x4GB) - 92 Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA III 6Gbs 2.5 7mm 540MB/s/520MB/s -189 Western Digital Blue 1TB SATA3 HDD 64M Caviar Blue WD10EZEX - 68 ASUS Xonar_DX/XD/A Sound Card - 84 OCZ ModXstream Pro 700W modular PSU - 85 Fractal Design ARC R2 Mid Tower Case Black ( USB3.0 ) - 125 LiteON SATA DVD-RW 24X Black -19 Samsung S22B300B LED 21.5" Wide, 1920x1080, 5ms, DVI, D-sub - 139 Noctua NH-U14S Multi Socket CPU Cooler - 85 Total: 1540 I've looked at a some reviews for PSUs and a few have recommended the OCZ ModXstream for 500-600W requirement. Unfortunately the 600W is sold out at Umart ($78) but they still have the 700W ($85). Any comments/recommendations would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Rollin and SkyR for your previous comments. Totally recognising that I'm overspending but I'm just thinking of it as a gift for myself. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
IIRC, it's a very acceptable power supply that's not quite as high quality as the ones skyR mentioned. | ||
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maggle
Australia70 Posts
Intel Core i5 4670K LGA1150 CPU 3.4Ghz 6Mb Cache Haswell - 270 Gigabyte Z87-D3HP 4x DDR3 4xPCI-E 2xPCI 6xSATA3 10xUSB3.0 HDMI D-SUB - 155 Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB - 229 G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL (2x4GB) - 92 Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA III 6Gbs 2.5 7mm 540MB/s/520MB/s -189 Western Digital Blue 1TB SATA3 HDD 64M Caviar Blue WD10EZEX - 68 Antec 520W High Current Gamer PSU Modular Extreme - 89 Fractal Design ARC R2 Mid Tower Case Black ( USB3.0 ) - 125 LiteON SATA DVD-RW 24X Black - 19 Samsung S22B300B LED 21.5" Wide, 1920x1080, 5ms, DVI, D-sub - 139 Noctua NH-U14S Multi Socket CPU Cooler - 85 Total: 1460 AUD Definitely more than what I had originally planned to spend but I looked at a non-OC build and I was only saving ~$130 so I decided to just go with the overclocking option. Thanks for the advice guys - will update once I have built it! | ||
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