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What is your budget?
$1000-1200 from tigerdirect.ca (preferably)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
battlefield 4, or any of the new releases
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
nothing.
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no, i just bought a new monitor recently
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
no
What country will you be buying your parts in?
tigerdirect.ca
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
as stated above
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On September 22 2013 13:17 Leeoku wrote:This is the build recommendation i got: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426532¤tpage=28#559So i might be getting a nvidia 460 cheap/free. Plan is to use this card for now (prob satisfies me anyways) and buy a nicer card in future? As stated before, my primary title to play is dota and possibly dual screens (maybe some higher gfx games in the future). What would be the max value paid for this..? 1) Let's assume I take out the gpu. With the extra ~200 bucks i have, what ssd would you recommend? (should I even get it now or wait ?) 2) I wish to invest more into the mobo for better future compataibility. Lets put it in the 100-200 range (since i'll prob buy it on the mega sale days) 3) What order of components should i spend more money on if i happen to get more cash 4) I really want a nicer case so let's upgrade that. I especially like the features iv seen where u can plug the sound/mic plug with abuncha usb's all at the front of case. What are other nice features of investing more in a case (function not aesthetics)
1) If you aren't playing anything but dota, there's no reason to buy a gpu right now. Changing them over is very simple.
2) Future "compatibility" is the same on all motherboards: that is to say there is none. If you get a new cpu, you need a new motherboard (unless you upgrade each generation, which is stupid). If you want extra connectivity though, a b85/h87 may be appropriate. Z87 offers nothing over H87 for you though.
3) SSD, case or powersupply. Or ethernet cable to run through the roof. It can be hard work though! Depending on your VM usage you may need 16GB of RAM. But iirc you were just doing casual usage not actual work stuff.
4) Huh? Front panel sound (inferior to back ports in most cases) and usb is available on all every case that I know of... If you mean front panel usb 3 vs usb 2, all new decent cases have it (not the current one you have I think), but I think H81 doesn't have a front panel header, so you'd need a different motherboard.
In general case features you pay for are: aesthetics, cable management features, tool-less features, weight, construction quality, airflow, stupid side windows, sound dampening, nice internal mounts, bizarre form factors, etc.
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The sv35 is "designed" for NAS sorts of applications, which means they charge more for it. It might have a minutely lower failure rate or something else trivial like that.
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On September 22 2013 14:41 zyzq wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
$1000-1200 from tigerdirect.ca (preferably)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
battlefield 4, or any of the new releases
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
nothing.
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no, i just bought a new monitor recently
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
no
What country will you be buying your parts in?
tigerdirect.ca
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
as stated above
You seem to want something similar to what I just built so I went ahead and gave it a shot. This rig is at $1065, all the parts are from tigerdirect.ca. This is my proposition but you can probably change things to your tastes and/or suggestions from other people without any problem. Also notice that when I turned off the tigerdirect.ca filter to be able to buy a Fractal Design Core 1000 case, the price dropped to 907$.. maybe you know something I don't but I wouldn't limit myself to a single vendor.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1GooL
To make sure you're only going with tigerdirect.ca, hit "edit" and under the "Where" section there's a triangle you can click that allows you to chose your vendor.
Quick rationale of each part:
i5-4570, $213: Haswell processor, great stuff. You aren't going to overclock so this is the locked version. Anyway this should be very sufficient for gaming and it'll make your computer run nice and smooth. Intel is great and i5 processors are what you want for gaming.
MSI B85M-P33 motherboard, $84: This will house your great processor. If you're not going to overclock and you're only going for a single graphics card, this mobo should be sufficient. It's not too expensive either which is nice.
Corsair RAM, 8 Gb, $100: 8 Gb of RAM more than enough for gaming, I went ahead and put some corsair in because I heard that their RAM is good, but you can probably stick whatever you want in your system. $100 seems a bit expensive to me but maybe that's because I'm used to €. 2x4 Gb is slightly better than 1x8 Gb so there are 2 sticks in there.
You can find something less expensive for 2x4 Gb of 1600 Hz RAM.
Western Digital Caviar Blue, $79: 1 TB of storage should be more than enough? You can put whatever storage you want I guess, I just chose this one because it seemed cost-efficient.
Sapphire Radeon HD 7970, $360: If you're building a gaming PC then your biggest investment should probably be the graphics card. This 7970 is a great, very muscular card and plays almost every game at maxed settings (or close to it). Sapphire make good heatsinks (see OP) and I didn't recognize the other brands that tigetdirect.ca proposed, so I went with this card. You can find this GPU at a lower price if you look around, PCpartpicker can be shitty sometimes.
Corsair 200R, $87: I went with this case because I couldn't find a Fractal Design Core 1000 (which is a case that should work fine for this rig) on tigerdirect.ca (back to the first part of my post). Anyway, this case has a great reputation for a budget case and it should house all of your stuff without any problem.
Corsair CX600, $101: This PSU should be sufficient to power your system. Corsair is one of the PSU makers that you can trust (according to overclock.net) so you should be fine with this. You might be able to get away with a CX500 but the price difference doesn't make it worth it, imo.
Corsair CX600 isn't on this list so you would be better off not getting it; there are better options. Misterfred suggested going with the XFX 550w, which is on the list, isn't too expensive and is better adapted in terms of power to your build at 550w than 600w.
I threw in a DVD burner but that's up to you.
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@Highways
edit: Basically, what Rollin said.
For casual use, there's no difference. The more expensive model seems to have some feature useful for a sever-load environment, much like the difference between the WD Green & the WD Red (the Green being designed for ordinary storage use, the Red specifically designed for use in a NAS).
Long story short, go with the cheaper model with no fear whatsoever.
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@Leeoku
A 460 might do quite well for your purposes. The most I'd pay for one if I was buying one online would be $70. Though if you expect to be getting a particularly good deal for some reason that might be a bit high.
If you wanted to put an SSD in the system immediately (sounds like a nice luxury), you'd have to decide if you want a 120gb model or a bigger but more expensive 250gb model:
Small ($95, 120gb): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77210&vpn=MZ-7TD120BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1258
Big ($175, 250gb): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=87761&vpn=MZ-7TE250BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1258
If you wanted a better case, part of what you get depends on looks. Some people like garish/flashy, some like conservative & understated. The Bit Fenix Ghost is good for about $70 & a clean, understated look:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73006&vpn=BFC-GHO-300-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1258
For a little more, but a better selection of colors, window or not, etc, you can look at the Fractal Design R4 (also on us.ncix.com)
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On September 22 2013 20:50 Incognoto wrote:
Corsair RAM, 8 Gb, $100: 8 Gb of RAM more than enough for gaming, I went ahead and put some corsair in because I heard that their RAM is good, but you can probably stick whatever you want in your system. $100 seems a bit expensive to me but maybe that's because I'm used to €. 2x4 Gb is slightly better than 1x8 Gb so there are 2 sticks in there.
Sapphire Radeon HD 7970, $360: If you're building a gaming PC then your biggest investment should probably be the graphics card. This 7970 is a great, very muscular card and plays almost every game at maxed settings (or close to it). Sapphire make good heatsinks (see OP) and I didn't recognize the other brands that tigetdirect.ca proposed, so I went with this card.
Corsair CX600, $101: This PSU should be sufficient to power your system. Corsair is one of the PSU makers that you can trust (according to overclock.net) so you should be fine with this. You might be able to get away with a CX500 but the price difference doesn't make it worth it, imo.
RAM vendor doesn't matter. 8gb of 1600MHz RAM is $70 at tigerdirect.ca.
$360 for a 7970 seems expensive considering they start at $300 on newegg (american though).
CX600 is a budget unit (CX is corsair's worst line), unlike the cx-430 (which is ok for budget builds) the cx600 really has no suitable usage scenario: it's too shit for a decent SLI/XFire rig, and not at all attractive for single gpu either. At $100 it's especially extremely unattractive. Having had a look at the tigerdirect website though I'm not sure what I'd recommend, they're all extremely overpriced with very few decent units.
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@zyzq, Incognito
+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 20:50 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 14:41 zyzq wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
$1000-1200 from tigerdirect.ca (preferably)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
battlefield 4, or any of the new releases
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
nothing.
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no, i just bought a new monitor recently
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
no
What country will you be buying your parts in?
tigerdirect.ca
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
as stated above
You seem to want something similar to what I just built so I went ahead and gave it a shot. This rig is at $1065, all the parts are from tigerdirect.ca. This is my proposition but you can probably change things to your tastes and/or suggestions from other people without any problem. Also notice that when I turned off the tigerdirect.ca filter to be able to buy a Fractal Design Core 1000 case, the price dropped to 907$.. maybe you know something I don't but I wouldn't limit myself to a single vendor. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1GmFKTo make sure you're only going with tigerdirect.ca, hit "edit" and under the "Where" section there's a triangle you can click that allows you to chose your vendor. Quick rationale of each part: i5-4570, $213: Haswell processor, great stuff. You aren't going to overclock so this is the locked version. Anyway this should be very sufficient for gaming and it'll make your computer run nice and smooth. Intel is great and i5 processors are what you want for gaming. MSI B85M-P33 motherboard, $84: This will house your great processor. If you're not going to overclock and you're only going for a single graphics card, this mobo should be sufficient. It's not too expensive either which is nice. Corsair RAM, 8 Gb, $100: 8 Gb of RAM more than enough for gaming, I went ahead and put some corsair in because I heard that their RAM is good, but you can probably stick whatever you want in your system. $100 seems a bit expensive to me but maybe that's because I'm used to €. 2x4 Gb is slightly better than 1x8 Gb so there are 2 sticks in there. Western Digital Caviar Blue, $79: 1 TB of storage should be more than enough? You can put whatever storage you want I guess, I just chose this one because it seemed cost-efficient. Sapphire Radeon HD 7970, $360: If you're building a gaming PC then your biggest investment should probably be the graphics card. This 7970 is a great, very muscular card and plays almost every game at maxed settings (or close to it). Sapphire make good heatsinks (see OP) and I didn't recognize the other brands that tigetdirect.ca proposed, so I went with this card. Corsair 200R, $87: I went with this case because I couldn't find a Fractal Design Core 1000 (which is a case that should work fine for this rig) on tigerdirect.ca (back to the first part of my post). Anyway, this case has a great reputation for a budget case and it should house all of your stuff without any problem. Corsair CX600, $101: This PSU should be sufficient to power your system. Corsair is one of the PSU makers that you can trust (according to overclock.net) so you should be fine with this. You might be able to get away with a CX500 but the price difference doesn't make it worth it, imo. I threw in a DVD burner but that's up to you.
That's a pretty good recommended parts list. A few notes. First, be aware that in Canada everyone price matches. So if you bring a store a part on a competitor's website, they'll match the price. So you can get everything from one store (this is particularly nice for a brick & mortar pickup) but pay the lowest prices everyone is offering.
Second, there's nothing all that special about the Corsair CX series. It's one of a number of "acceptable but kind of cheap" options. The brand's reputation comes from their higher end models. That said, nothing wrong with it. The 600w model is pretty pointless for a number of reasons though. First, the setup listed is basically never going to use more than 400w anyway. Second, the Corsair CX 600w is basically their 500w model with a different sticker - it doesn't really give you the increased oomph it promises. Something like an XFX 550w will be a little better for cheaper:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1258
Last, PC part picker occasionally puts out really crappy results. Here's a basically equivalent 7970 for $50 less after a quick search:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=67547&vpn=GV-R797OC-3GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1258
Note that if you're not picking up most of your parts from a brick & mortar TigerDirect that's nearby, there's really not much reason to use tigerdirect.ca, it's prices aren't that good on most things (compare their XFX 550w to the price-matchable cost of the ncix.com version above).
Edit: What Rollin said on RAM, too.
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Yeah I was kind of iffy with the CX600 for that build. I knew from this this this that it at least wasn't a shitty buy but I had a gut feeling that there were better options.
Actually upon looking at the list a bit more closely the CX600 isn't even on that list. So yeah, fuck that PSU and get another one, I guess the XFX 550W does indeed look like a better deal.
I edited my suggestion a bit, thanks guys
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Hey, can someone explain this to me?
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It's a Xeon e3-1240v2 that runs at 3.4GHz with turbo up to 3.8GHz, but I'm clearly getting 4.0GHz when I run a benchmark.
How does this happen? I thought that the speed would be locked at 3.8GHz O_o
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Your motherboard probably has the base clock at 104 or 105 for whatever reason.
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Heh, that's really weird. Is that safe? I'm just using the stock cooling, and my case doesn't have good airflow.
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As long as you're stable and the temperatures are fine than it's fine.
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What benchmark? What does cpu-z say?
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dat 99.77mhz bug, i'd manual it to 100.01 at least for sanity's sake
Turns out it's just Task Manager not knowing anything.
That's what i thought, windows 8 is terrible with this
Your RAM reads as in slots 1 and 2, can you verify it's running dual channel and not single? CPU-z memory tab should show
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Alright, I'll try to do that later. Google should help right? At a first glance I couldn't find anywhere to change it...
Windows 8 is pretty though!
Thanks, it is running dual channel. Under general it says "Channel #: Dual"
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I can't find my old post... but I've posted some weeks/moths ago about a printer and a wireless router. Is there a way to share the printer through the router (so the printer is ALWAYS available? Right now, I need to have the computer with the printer plugged in open in order to print from my other computers)
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1- The printer is not a network printer (no network cable) (Brother hl-2240)
2- the wireless router is Asus rt 56
I started reading and I believe I need something called printer server
EDIT : Found this link, but it doesn't seem to work
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