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Dralin
Germany22 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:02 Ropid wrote: What about the ASRock Z87 Extreme4 motherboard? Its price seems pretty good. I'd probably choose that one, but would try and research about problems with it in forums. I just went with the mainboard form the sample build, but will check out the ASRock. Thanks for the tip. | ||
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uNrexL
United States12 Posts
1200 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LoL, Dota2, Sc2 and some MMO's. I would like to play on max. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I would like to get a new monitor but maybe wait on it. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No Any help would be appreciated ^_^ | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Looks about right. I'd double check to make sure the Fractal Define R4 can fit the true spirit cooler. I know sometimes people go with the HR-02 Macho instead because it's 5mm or so shorter. And yeah, we don't really have taxes on online purchases in the United States. Then again, you guys have universal heath care. Wanna trade? | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 19 2013 07:44 Demoninja wrote: Don't know if this is the place to ask or simple questions would be better but I chose here. I can't really find many benchmarks for a 7850 1gb but is that sufficient to run pretty much all games at at least medium at 60fps? Yes. | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
Thanks skyR, I forgot to mention at 1080p but I assume it still will. No need to upgrade anytime soon then. Thanks again | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
What confused me was that my computer was turned OFF before this happened. Now granted, the on-off switch off PSU behind the case and near the PSU was on, but the computer itself wasn't working. PSU is connected to the main power through a UPS, which is pretty much always on. My PSU wasn't some very good brand, so I am thinking to get something better today. What I am worrying is, is there any chance the whole system got boned by the failed PSU? As I said the computer itself was off, but even though the computer was connected to the main power line through UPS, we had blown fuses and lost power (and had to pull those latches to get power again) There was also a very strong smell of something burnt. I was scared it might start a fire at first. Much appreciated for answers, will check the OP for a good suggestion on PSU. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The motherboard itself might be damaged, I guess. However, if enough power was drawn to trip the house's circuit breaker, then probably it's the +5V standby circuit that shorted out. That could cause the huge draw in power and loud sparks. (or it could be something I'm not thinking of at the moment) In that situation, all that excess power would be dissipated inside the power supply, and it's somewhat likely that it didn't damage the motherboard? You can visually inspect the motherboard and the ATX 20+4 pin power connector; if those seem fine, most likely the motherboard is okay, and I would expect everything else to likely be fine too. And make sure to get something decently good, not some low-end power supply offered by a known brand. A lot of the Cooler Master, Corsair, Antec, etc. power supplies at the bottom of the range are not that good. I'm not sure what's available in Turkey at reasonable prices. This won't tell you about relative quality and doesn't list everything, but the list here is okay: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On September 19 2013 13:15 Myrmidon wrote: With the computer off, the motherboard is receiving +5V standby (not the normal +5V) power only, so it's likely that most components, which are normally powered off of different outputs from the power supply, are fine. The only part of the power supply that's "on" and doing stuff is the +5V standby when the computer is off. The motherboard itself might be damaged, I guess. However, if enough power was drawn to trip the house's circuit breaker, then probably it's the +5V standby circuit that shorted out. That could cause the huge draw in power and loud sparks. (or it could be something I'm not thinking of at the moment) In that situation, all that excess power would be dissipated inside the power supply, and it's somewhat likely that it didn't damage the motherboard? You can visually inspect the motherboard and the ATX 20+4 pin power connector; if those seem fine, most likely the motherboard is okay, and I would expect everything else to likely be fine too. And make sure to get something decently good, not some low-end power supply offered by a known brand. A lot of the Cooler Master, Corsair, Antec, etc. power supplies at the bottom of the range are not that good. I'm not sure what's available in Turkey at reasonable prices. This won't tell you about relative quality and doesn't list everything, but the list here is okay: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies Much appreciated, I will see what I can do.Any chance my UPS might be damaged? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Without overclocking and with the HD 7970 (which is about a notch under the GTX 780) my current build is around 750€. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1DDmc Also a 450W PSU seems kind of weak for that build, even more so if you're going to OC. Edit: Oops i jumped a page. anyway, this is my proposition to someone wanting a "high end" gaming PC, with overclock: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Fr5L | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
On your build, i disagree with mobo (why get ud3h over d3h, or even a cheaper board? I feel like sometimes, i'm wrong with reccomending a d3h because it's more expensive than other options) and heatsink: low end cooling won't get you anywhere with Haswell, you're paying for z87 board (a great one at that, in a d3h+) and also paying extra for unlocked cpu (difference can be as much as like 30+ euros sometimes vs like the i5 4440 against 4670k) but the 212 really holds you back a ton. And also: RAM. RAM can make quite a performance difference in some cases, haswell IMC allows for easy 2.4k, potential 3k's in frequency. With decent 2400 kits being commonly available for ~$63 and sometimes less (i've seen a few in low 50's for 8gb) they seem a smart buy to compliment the big upgrade cost for z87 chipset and unlocked cpu | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 19 2013 23:49 Cyro wrote: That's dollars, not euros btw, the markets are very different, not sure if that was intentional use of sign or not On your build, i disagree with mobo (why get ud3h over d3h, or even a cheaper board? I feel like sometimes, i'm wrong with reccomending a d3h because it's more expensive than other options) and heatsink: low end cooling won't get you anywhere with Haswell, you're paying for z87 board (a great one at that, in a d3h+) and also paying extra for unlocked cpu (difference can be as much as like 30+ euros sometimes vs like the i5 4440 against 4670k) but the 212 really holds you back a ton. And also: RAM. RAM can make quite a performance difference in some cases, haswell IMC allows for easy 2.4k, potential 3k's in frequency. With decent 2400 kits being commonly available for ~$63 and sometimes less (i've seen a few in low 50's for 8gb) they seem a smart buy to compliment the big upgrade cost for z87 chipset and unlocked cpu Very interesting points. I never thought of OC and shit so I just went with a budget cooler without thinking too much about it. Same thing with mobo, I'll change up my build later. What I'm more curious about is what you mean about RAM. I'll be honest, I should probably have researched a bit first but I really felt like RAM was just some sticks of stuff you stick in your mobo. I have no idea how some RAM sticks could be better than others. Kind of like a hard drive? So what do we look for when we buy RAM? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
You get RAM like 1600mhz, 9-9-9-24 @1.5v, or 2400mhz 11-13-13-31 @1.65v, this kit is very often $63 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 RAM performance is decided mainly by frequency and the primary timings (like the 2400mhz, 11-13-13-31) but also by secondary and tertiary timings, there's a huge list of them that make slight performance changes and is different per kit/motherboard, usually configured automatically but you can change them yourself. There's other stuff that impacts performance too, such as dual sided RAM modules having more bandwidth than single sided. I'm not expert at all, just got into it a little bit recently. It's less simple than i thought though. The performance difference is small and often doesn't matter, but in some cases it can be notable, especially since it helps out in some CPU bound situations (if you're held back by the GPU, your system RAM will probably not have a notable effect on performance) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On September 19 2013 06:14 uNrexL wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? 1200 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LoL, Dota2, Sc2 and some MMO's. I would like to play on max. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I would like to get a new monitor but maybe wait on it. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No Any help would be appreciated ^_^ $240 i5-4670K $76 Nocuta U14S $135 Gigabyte Z87X-D3H $64 G.Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2400 c11-13-13-31 $175 Sapphire HD7870 $100 Samsung 840 EVO 120GB $85 2TB HDD $110 Fractal R4 $60 Rosewill Capstone 450 $100 Windows 7 64-bit $1145 + Shipping | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
A GTX 760 is roughly equal to a 7950 in performance. And usually a bit more in price. It's pretty high-end if you're talking about 1920x1080 monitor. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 20 2013 04:25 MisterFred wrote: @Incognito A GTX 760 is roughly equal to a 7950 in performance. And usually a bit more in price. It's pretty high-end if you're talking about 1920x1080 monitor. Yeah it's a great card, no doubt. But high end? Eh, there are beefier cards. I said 7970 btw, not 7950. 7970+ or 770/670+ would be what I consider high end. My 2 cents! | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On September 19 2013 06:14 uNrexL wrote: What is your budget? 1200 + Show Spoiler + What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LoL, Dota2, Sc2 and some MMO's. I would like to play on max. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I would like to get a new monitor but maybe wait on it. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No Any help would be appreciated ^_^ Your request poses kind of an interesting problem. You like to play games on max, including unnamed MMOs, but the games you actually list are incredibly easy to run on max on basically any video card. So I'm not sure how much graphics power you actually need... I decided on a conservative approach and budgeted for a upper-range card on the theory you might later pick up a more demanding game (or one of the unnamed MMOs might benefit). This is potentially a bad idea, as it can cut into your monitor budget or when you can get a new monitor. i5-4670k ($226) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1258 Gigabyte z87x-ud3 ($135) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591 It'll overclock ya good. Bit pricey, but hey, have a flash drive. HR-02 Macho ($53) http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Macho-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B009MS326U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379618940&sr=8-1&keywords=HR-02 macho MSI 7950 ($205) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127737 Strong video card (see above on why so expensive). Not the best cooler, so could get loud if pressed. That's why it's $20 cheaper than other 7950s. 2x4gb RAM ($56 after promo code) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313353 Bit Fenix Survivor ($50) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=78104&vpn=BFC-SRV-300-WWN2R-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1258 Ugly as sin, but a good performer for the price. And maybe you'll like it. Rosewill Green 530w ($55) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199 Seagate 1TB HDD ($60) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58746&vpn=ST31000524AS&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1258 Windows 7 ($90) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1307 Get windows 8 if you prefer. Subtotal: $930, including shipping. So I skimped on a lot of things, like DVD-burner, SSD, good cooling on the video card. But nothing that's core performance (I might mind the noise on the video card though). You'll note the same processor to be overclocked & a more powerful video card with a less-efficient cooler compared to Synpah's build. The idea was to make room for the following monitor. I failed. But not by all that much. You could drop the price by going for a less powerful video card or just wait for the monitor upgrade. Monitor: QNIX QX2710 (ebay, ~$320) http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xqnix 2710&_nkw=qnix 2710&_sacat=0&_from=R40 The cheap 27" 2560x1440 monitors everyone's been raving about. If you want a monitor upgrade, I highly recommend this puppy. Particularly since most of the games you play can still be maxed out with a mid-high range video card at that resolution. Total: $1250 | ||
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uNrexL
United States12 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SBML6Pq.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0JxW5g3.png) Anyone that can help me narrow this down? It's destroying my performance. Seems like the game engine is just stalling, drop in CPU and GPU load (and power) | ||
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