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On September 16 2013 21:03 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 19:04 Incognoto wrote:On September 16 2013 15:54 Brett wrote:On September 14 2013 09:39 Cyro wrote:Sounds like you might want two 780's, you could spend a bunch going to Haswell too on the CPU front but the performance upgrade is much smaller there, hard to guarantee more than 10 or 15% in many games and applications Take a look at this - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/831?vs=764Linked vs Titan, because the custom cooled 780's* are neck and neck with titans on the stock bios's and even if you're an extreme overclocker, titan is only a bit better (paying like 50% more for 10% better performance) but really, for the average person, they're basically identical. See this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1400319/titan-vs-780-stock-bios-reference-card-oc-battle/0_20If you wanted to iterate on the CPU, we've got Haswell-E coming probably with solder (so it'll run cool) and 6-8 cores in second half of 2014 to first half of 2015 on the enthusiast platform, or Skylake coming with faster quad cores and maybe a mainstream intel 6 core in 2015-2016, which would basically be 2500k/2600k equivelants in the market and hopefully be more of an upgrade *I meant like the windforce model, for example. Titan only has(had? i have not heard much from them recently) a reference cooler which looked great but performed pretty bad in terms of GPU temperatures relative to the offerings from asus, gigabyte etc, but nvidia locked down the titan models and didn't let anybody sell them with anything but the reference cooler, at least at first. I'm not certain that this is still the case, but there's still little reason to buy a titan over a 780, they're soo close in performance unless you want some niche features (6gb vram, fp64 performance) or are an extreme overclocker (bios flashed, water block etc) Thanks for this post. After reading it I did some further research into the 780 and the next cycle of GPU's. By all reports the 780 is a brilliant card and an SLI set up would likely carry me through until I again decide to upgrade. The question I'm left with is whether now is a sensible time to buy.... We are heading into the next generation, and at the moment my sli 570's are still doing quite well. I have read that another line of Radeon cards are due approximately next month (probably to tackle the higher end market that Nvidia has cornered at present) and that Nvidia are gearing up for an 8xx, maxwell-based, GPU launch in first quarter 2014 to respond. Obviously the technology wheel is always turning, and there's always something else coming next, but given the potential for new products to be coming so soon, does anyone think it'd be worth waiting a few months for the inevitable price drop on the 7xx line? Heh, you upgrade quite a lot. ^^ My current build is completely ancient compared to what you have. I wouldn't mind a single 570. At the moment I'm using: Processor: Intel Core Q6600 (2.4 Ghz) (quad core) RAM: 3 Gb Video Card: ATI Radeon 3450 I've been able to play almost every game on lowest settings up til now, including Crysis 1, Far Cry 2 and Skyrim. A 3450 wouldn't be able to run those frames at a nice framerate at all, easily under 30fps averages.
With new drivers, windows 7 & directx11, I've been able to play all three at low resolutions and low settings. It doesn't look particularly good but it looks good enough and runs smoothly enough that it's quite playable. Crysis 2 & 3 I couldn't play however, Far Cry 3 was barely playable.
What pushed me to build a new computer was that I couldn't play Il-2 Clod. 
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On September 17 2013 04:13 darkness wrote:Not exactly a computer build question, but I have a laptop Acer 5750G. However, GPU gets over 80 C in StarCraft2. I've asked my father to clean dust, but he says there's none. What should I do to fix overheating? Is there a better fan for laptops? I use a cooler pad but it's not enough. Specs are: CPU: Intel Core i5-2410M (Link: click) RAM: 4 GB DDR3 Video Card: NVIDIA 540M (Link: click) Edit: I have all the right specs now.
Laptops get hot, 80c is ok
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On September 17 2013 04:47 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 04:13 darkness wrote:Not exactly a computer build question, but I have a laptop Acer 5750G. However, GPU gets over 80 C in StarCraft2. I've asked my father to clean dust, but he says there's none. What should I do to fix overheating? Is there a better fan for laptops? I use a cooler pad but it's not enough. Specs are: CPU: Intel Core i5-2410M (Link: click) RAM: 4 GB DDR3 Video Card: NVIDIA 540M (Link: click) Edit: I have all the right specs now. Laptops get hot, 80c is ok
Right, I've talked to a guy recently and he said his laptop's body was aluminium which helped against heating. Do you think aluminium is the way to go?
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On September 17 2013 05:12 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 04:47 Cyro wrote:On September 17 2013 04:13 darkness wrote:Not exactly a computer build question, but I have a laptop Acer 5750G. However, GPU gets over 80 C in StarCraft2. I've asked my father to clean dust, but he says there's none. What should I do to fix overheating? Is there a better fan for laptops? I use a cooler pad but it's not enough. Specs are: CPU: Intel Core i5-2410M (Link: click) RAM: 4 GB DDR3 Video Card: NVIDIA 540M (Link: click) Edit: I have all the right specs now. Laptops get hot, 80c is ok Right, I've talked to a guy recently and he said his laptop's body was aluminium which helped against heating. Do you think aluminium is the way to go?
There's a heat pipe channeling the heat from the CPU and GPU towards wherever the fan is blowing air. That's where nearly all of the heat will go out of the case. The body does not really matter.
You could tweak this theoretically. You could research how to open up your laptop and disassemble that cooling system, then clean old thermal paste and reapply new one. If you work on that step slow and diligently, you will very likely beat whatever the factory worker that was assembling your laptop originally did regarding thermal paste.
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On September 16 2013 15:54 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 09:39 Cyro wrote:Sounds like you might want two 780's, you could spend a bunch going to Haswell too on the CPU front but the performance upgrade is much smaller there, hard to guarantee more than 10 or 15% in many games and applications Take a look at this - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/831?vs=764Linked vs Titan, because the custom cooled 780's* are neck and neck with titans on the stock bios's and even if you're an extreme overclocker, titan is only a bit better (paying like 50% more for 10% better performance) but really, for the average person, they're basically identical. See this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1400319/titan-vs-780-stock-bios-reference-card-oc-battle/0_20If you wanted to iterate on the CPU, we've got Haswell-E coming probably with solder (so it'll run cool) and 6-8 cores in second half of 2014 to first half of 2015 on the enthusiast platform, or Skylake coming with faster quad cores and maybe a mainstream intel 6 core in 2015-2016, which would basically be 2500k/2600k equivelants in the market and hopefully be more of an upgrade *I meant like the windforce model, for example. Titan only has(had? i have not heard much from them recently) a reference cooler which looked great but performed pretty bad in terms of GPU temperatures relative to the offerings from asus, gigabyte etc, but nvidia locked down the titan models and didn't let anybody sell them with anything but the reference cooler, at least at first. I'm not certain that this is still the case, but there's still little reason to buy a titan over a 780, they're soo close in performance unless you want some niche features (6gb vram, fp64 performance) or are an extreme overclocker (bios flashed, water block etc) Thanks for this post. After reading it I did some further research into the 780 and the next cycle of GPU's. By all reports the 780 is a brilliant card and an SLI set up would likely carry me through until I again decide to upgrade. The question I'm left with is whether now is a sensible time to buy.... We are heading into the next generation, and at the moment my sli 570's are still doing quite well. I have read that another line of Radeon cards are due approximately next month (probably to tackle the higher end market that Nvidia has cornered at present) and that Nvidia are gearing up for an 8xx, maxwell-based, GPU launch in first quarter 2014 to respond. Obviously the technology wheel is always turning, and there's always something else coming next, but given the potential for new products to be coming so soon, does anyone think it'd be worth waiting a few months for the inevitable price drop on the 7xx line?
I think it's very hard to predict, but amd's next cards might be power monsters (780 uses similar power as 7970 while outperforming it massively) the best choice will probably come down to how prices sit a month from now, if you want to wait. Price/performance might be changed massively, or hardly at all, nvidia has been reluctant at pulling down prices so far, their 770's are still sitting at like £330 in the UK while 7970's are dropping to etc £239 for a directcu ii 7970 which unarguably wrecks the 770 in value
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@darkness
Aluminum has some interesting heat properties. Most notably, while it transfers heat quite quickly, it only "holds" a very small amount of energy. In other words it has a very low specific heat (amount of heat required per unit mass to raise the temperature of a material by one degree Celsius) compare to, say, water - which our bodies are largely composed of.
As a result, Aluminum feels cool to the touch. When whatshisname uses his laptop, or you pull a foil-covered potato out of a fire/oven, it feels relatively cool to the touch. This isn't because it is actually at a lower temperature, but because any excess heat above your body temperature dissipates quickly with touch, and the low specific heat of aluminum means there's not much overall energy to dissipate, making Aluminum roughly the temperature of your had very quickly.
This doesn't work if the aluminum is serving as an efficient conduit of heat/lackthereof for another material with a high specific heat. For example: holding a can of soda or squeezing that loosely-wrapped potato. To make a very long story short, the aluminum body didn't help prevent overheating (although theoretically you could make the whole case itself a heatsink, hmmm). It just made a laptop probably operating at the same temperature feel cooler on his lap.
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What wonderful use of resources!
Sometimes this kinda thing is depressing (majorly cpu bound without good utilization across many cores), but this one in particular is beyond that and kinda hilarious
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goes without saying that oc'd haswell i5 would be off the top of that chart too
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Thanks for the build I'll research and play around with it abit before resubmitting.
@hot laptop . I have an asus g60vx and I can say that laptops especially "gaming" gets hot. My pc idles at gpu C (100 with higher end gaming). Reason is (took my laptop apart) the CPU and GPU share the same heat sink. I know for a fact my fan doesn't turn on to high mode until like 85C or something ridic and still not cool enough. There is also poor air intake, and it seems mobile gpu's just get that hot. Heck I only have 80C cause im using the laptop propped up with no back lid
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 12:06 techjunkie wrote:
Hi, I need to build a computer to do schoolwork mainly, which usually just means browsing the internet using chrome. I plan on selling this computer later on and building a different one later, so the parts don't have to be spectacular.
I've built a computer before, and it had some kind of Asus motherboard with an i7 2600k which I never even ended up overclocking. It also had a gtx 560 ti. I'm wondering if I could get a system that would be just as fast at browsing the web as this system was, however I don't know if graphics cards are important for that so I'd like to cut costs by either getting a really cheap gpu or using integrated graphics.
I am not planning to do any crazy gaming on this computer, but if it's capable of running league/cs on low that would be cool. Not important at all though. It's all about web browsing speed or how it can handle having a few applications open at once (Multiple tabs on chrome, music player, Microsoft Word... stuff like that.)
What is your budget?
500$
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 would be nice, but if speed suffers then I'd put the resolution down.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Possibly counter strike: go on lowest settings and league on lowest settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Browsing, watching videos, listening to music, schoolwork
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Hi, I posted above a little while back and I've been looking over my options. Basically I don't need a case anymore because I have one that is being given to me, so I looked at skyR's build and changed some things and ended up with something a little different. I wanted to know what you guys think of this one.
Basically it's a simple build that I can add a GPU to later.
PSU - Corsair CX430M - 49.99$
CPU - Core i5 4570 - 197.19$
Motherboard - MSI B85M-P33 - 63.81$
RAM - Corsair Vengeance (2 x 4GB) 1600 Memory - 68.31$
Storage - Samsung 840 EVO Series (120GB) - 100.99$
Case - Antec 300 illusion - Free
GPU - ATI Radeon 4890 (?) - Free
These prices are all from pricematching at Memoryexpress.com
The total comes out to 481.21$ which ends up fitting my budget barely with tax+shipping.
Also, can the PSU handle an old ATI 4890? I can get one for free.
Is this a solid build, or is there something that should be changed?
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You'd need a molex -> PCIe power adapter to run the HD 4890, which you or your friend may have lying around. Don't worry about power draw, as the i5-4570 and the rest would hardly use any.
Man, there aren't good power supplies at memoryexpress now at the lower price ranges. I guess the CX430M works; it's not bad. The EVGA 500B is a bit worse but still serviceable, and it would have the cables natively.
The rest looks okay.
By the way, you could run LoL, CS, etc. on low with the integrated graphics off of the i5-4570. It would use less power and make less noise. Uh, and a i5-4570 and all that is way overkill for what you plan to do anyway. Everything not on old Atom tier feels equally fast for web browsing (except for say maybe HD videos with Flash). Anyway, $40-50 processors do what you want to do... like some kind of modern Intel Celeron or AMD A4.
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On September 17 2013 14:33 Myrmidon wrote:
You'd need a molex -> PCIe power adapter to run the HD 4890, which you or your friend may have lying around. Don't worry about power draw, as the i5-4570 and the rest would hardly use any.
Man, there aren't good power supplies at memoryexpress now at the lower price ranges. I guess the CX430M works; it's not bad. The EVGA 500B is a bit worse but still serviceable, and it would have the cables natively.
The rest looks okay.
By the way, you could run LoL, CS, etc. on low with the integrated graphics off of the i5-4570. It would use less power and make less noise.
I will probably run some tests and see how much better the games run with/without the card, but I will probably be fine with the integrated graphics. I like the power supply especially since it's modular.
The i5 is overkill now, but if I want to play more demanding games in the future with a decent graphics card, the i5 is usually always recommended in the builds I've seen.
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I'm looking to buy a gaming tower(Not interested in any peripherals), I've got a ⁓£500 budget. I'm looking to play the new BF4 on the highest graphics smoothly, is this possible? I know very little about the capabilities of hardware, can someone send me in the right direction, thanks.
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Depends what you define as smoothly, open beta starts in a few weeks, closed beta maybe before that, we'll know more about performance then but it'd be demanding
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Great describe about Overclocking, this is helpful post for me and others.
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On September 17 2013 15:35 Cyro wrote:
Depends what you define as smoothly, open beta starts in a few weeks, closed beta maybe before that, we'll know more about performance then but it'd be demanding
I'm looking for the best gaming pc I can get my hands on for that amount of money, I'm not set on high graphics settings, I'm more interested in consistency in game, and longevity out of game.
Also I'm flexible on the price, my upper limit is probably £650-700
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Cyro found a good price on a 7970 if you want to pay the money to push the graphics settings yet higher though. And slightly better RAM. You can see where we're going though. The only real difference between the builds is the graphics card expense and mobo expense.
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I had no idea you could run such a build from a £38 mobo honestly
good double build posts though 
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