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The cheapest 4gb 770 is $40 more than I would have paid for a 2gb 770, but is clocked at 1.06Ghz. The next cheapest is $60 more, but clocked at 1.14Ghz. How noticeable/big a difference is .08Ghz? Is it enough to justify $20?
The 770 chips are all the same, there's not even really any binning done so they'll all run at ~1.3ghz regardless of what the "factory OC on base clock" is, if you have the patience to take 10 minutes dragging a slider once before using it for three years. They're voltage locked so it's not even remotely difficult, you just have a slider and it'll crash above a certain point but not below.
280 shouldn't really be inferior to 770, a good overclocking 280 can beat 770's so it's not a massive performance sacrifice.
NihiLStarcraft, 4690k runs @3.7ghz with all cores loaded, added cost is getting a ~35 euro heatsink and good z97 board. Manually setting clocks/voltages, it might not hit 4.6 but then again it could hit ~4.8 realistically. Bit of luck there.
For more money: like skyR said, i just grabbed a pretty cheap/acceptable case, there's lots of room for change there. For 10-15 euros more you can get one of the best 450w psu's on the planet (superflower golden green hx 450). You could get a 4790k instead with a better cooler, or a gtx770. 4790k would be ~20% faster for video encoding but harder to cool, 770 would be ~1.3x faster when GPU bound.
You already have HDD (maybe he missed that) so that's good. You could get another 1-3TB drive pretty cheap. Maybe a bigger SSD if you wanted to use it.
It is not wise to buy a Z97 to leave overclocking as an option for the future because most people who do this don't actually end up overclocking.
Emphasis on this too, because i've talked to as many as 3-4 people from TL (and one friend) in the last 2 years who not only bought mobo, but also cooling etc and then just didn't overclock. It's strangely infuriating to see somebody with a UD5H and a h100i with four custom bought fans in push/pull running stock settings while close friends to several people whom they know have intimate knowledge of the hardware.
Just buying the mobo isn't so bad, it's can be what like 40 euros extra (i dunno), especially if you plan to buy heatsink whenever you want more CPU performance, and meanwhile you just run like a manual 4ghz on lowish voltages. You seem to somewhat care about CPU performance though, not really with the crowd of "eh it's not a slideshow so it's fine for me" that i see sometimes, so might as well go all the way IMO.
It's really best to do it on build day/week, get the necessary learning down and have it ready. It doesn't take that long. Last person to talk to me from TL i went over some stuff (maybe not explaining as well as i could :0) and he was @4.6ghz and solid within like 3 hours, most of that just idle time between actually doing things while CPU ran stuff. Could have been 4.7 or even 4.8 on that chip, but worse than expected temperatures IIRC.
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Okay cool, thanks for the input!
So, right now I'm considering the 4690K (the 4790K is just a bit too expensive on top of everything else I think, probably won't pay off all that much from what I can tell). Unfortunately I can't find either of those CPUs on PCPartPicker for some reason. What would be a good quiet cooling option for the i5 4690K? And what would be a decent Z97 motherboard to go with that modification of your original build?
GPU-wise I would stick to the GTX 760 I guess since I'm not usually GPU-capped and I don't expect to be anytime soon (plus GPUs are super easy to upgrade at a later point if necessary).
Case of course is a variable, I'll see if I can find something I like when every other component is set in stone. PSU wise I think the XFX ProSeries is fine or will I need more than 450W if overclocking the 4690K?
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What is your budget?
<2000£
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p, but I will be using dual monitors.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Everything, on the highest settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Development / programming, etc...
Do you intend to overclock?
If it's not too difficult, then yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
The UK.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Just places that are reliable / cheap (if possible).
This is my current build, but I'm not sure if you guys will agree with it: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Lh3Tpg
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On July 28 2014 20:03 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Okay cool, thanks for the input!
So, right now I'm considering the 4690K (the 4790K is just a bit too expensive on top of everything else I think, probably won't pay off all that much from what I can tell). Unfortunately I can't find either of those CPUs on PCPartPicker for some reason. What would be a good quiet cooling option for the i5 4690K? And what would be a decent Z97 motherboard to go with that modification of your original build?
GPU-wise I would stick to the GTX 760 I guess since I'm not usually GPU-capped and I don't expect to be anytime soon (plus GPUs are super easy to upgrade at a later point if necessary).
Case of course is a variable, I'll see if I can find something I like when every other component is set in stone. PSU wise I think the XFX ProSeries is fine or will I need more than 450W if overclocking the 4690K?
4690k is on caseking.de - http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Prozessoren/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-35-GHz-Devils-Canyon-Sockel-1150-boxed::28074.html - but i see what you mean about missing from a few sites
This board or something significantly cheaper~ - http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Mainboards/Intel-Mainboards/Intel-Sockel-1150/Gigabyte-Z97X-Gaming-5-Intel-Z97-Mainboard-Sockel-1150::27402.html - overall it's probably paying too much because most boards don't have any trouble with a ~1.3-1.35vcore overclock, but the standards for z97 are lower than z87 (as z97 was built for broadwell, which supposedly has ~1.44x the performance per watt of these CPU's)
For cooler: ~35-70 euros; three examples = thermalright's true spirit 140 power, hr-02 macho or silver arrow. Noctua has some good stuff - those three listed and several noctua coolers are quiet and mid-high end coolers
450w is no problem, people overestimate power usage of "lower range" hardware a lot, in many games that load CPU or GPU but not both heavily you'd be at like 200 watts system consumption and with everything maxed maybe lower half of the 300's, it's not even close
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On July 28 2014 20:13 YouthSC wrote:What is your budget?<2000£ What is your monitor's native resolution?1080p, but I will be using dual monitors. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Everything, on the highest settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Development / programming, etc... Do you intend to overclock?If it's not too difficult, then yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No. What country will you be buying your parts in?The UK. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Just places that are reliable / cheap (if possible). This is my current build, but I'm not sure if you guys will agree with it: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Lh3Tpg
Terrible cooler for 4790k, will limit OC. If you're not concerned about performance, don't buy a 4790k. If you are, grab at least something like this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-true-spirit-140-power-cpu-cooler-with-ty-140-pwm-quiet-fan-for-intel-and-amd-cpus - but consider stronger
£15.30 of thermal paste is an awful lot, 20 grams is like 100 applications isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds like a ton. You only need one application, maybe five in the next two years. I think i have like a 5 gram tube that i've used a dozen times and it still has most of it left.
Crazy low budget case, like cheapest things available which seems out of place for a £1330 build - only like 2-3% of the build cost on case.. you need to at least make sure everything fits, then good airflow etc. I didn't really see any good cases around £30, maybe this one is decent for very low priced cases but it still stands out a lot
PSU is a bit overkill for SLI that GPU, really overkill for single GPU
£335 for a single 770 is ridiculous. A few 290 models (non reference cooled) are available at ~£265-295 and they're ~40% faster, if you need nvidia then go 780 instead of buying extra VRAM on 770
www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-341-SP
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On July 28 2014 21:22 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 20:13 YouthSC wrote:What is your budget?<2000£ What is your monitor's native resolution?1080p, but I will be using dual monitors. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Everything, on the highest settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Development / programming, etc... Do you intend to overclock?If it's not too difficult, then yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No. What country will you be buying your parts in?The UK. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Just places that are reliable / cheap (if possible). This is my current build, but I'm not sure if you guys will agree with it: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Lh3Tpg Terrible cooler for 4790k, will limit OC. If you're not concerned about performance, don't buy a 4790k. If you are, grab at least something like this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-true-spirit-140-power-cpu-cooler-with-ty-140-pwm-quiet-fan-for-intel-and-amd-cpus - but consider stronger £15.30 of thermal paste is an awful lot, 20 grams is like 100 applications isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds like a ton. You only need one application, maybe five in the next two years. I think i have like a 5 gram tube that i've used a dozen times and it still has most of it left. Crazy low budget case, like cheapest things available which seems out of place for a £1330 build - only like 2-3% of the build cost on case.. you need to at least make sure everything fits, then good airflow etc. I didn't really see any good cases around £30, maybe this one is decent for very low priced cases but it still stands out a lot PSU is a bit overkill for SLI that GPU, really overkill for single GPU £335 for a single 770 is ridiculous. A few 290 models (non reference cooled) are available at ~£265-295 and they're ~40% faster, if you need nvidia then go 780 instead of buying extra VRAM on 770 www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-341-SP
Thank you very much for your help Cyro. I have changed the things you suggested.
I've never used thermal paste before but I heard it's necessary if you're overclocking? So that's why I put it there. I changed it for a smaller one and cheaper.
What do you think now?
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/PTPrRB
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Instead of using PCPartpicker, you better go directly to the websites of mindfactory.de or hardwareversand.de or alternate.de, then play around with what you can build out of what they have in supply. This should come out cheaper because you'll save shipping costs.
You'll get a tiny plastic bag with good quality thermal paste that's enough for several applications with the Thermalright cooler.
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Ah thanks for the tips, both of them!  I will not order the build from those links, it's just there from copy&paste.
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I wanted to ask what parts you would recommend for a Video-editing in the 600 $ , 450 € range.
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Now the big question, to OC or not to OC for an additional price of 65€. This is where I need your input again. What would you suggest? Is it worth it if I want to record 1080p/60fps videos for Youtube in the future and stream 1080p/30fps or 720p/60fps with SC2 and CSGO while still getting high framerates? (Also I didn't factor in Thermal Paste which I'd also have to buy).
For this price, it's not even a question, but with a better z97 board it's more like 100 euro
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On July 28 2014 22:04 YouthSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 21:22 Cyro wrote:On July 28 2014 20:13 YouthSC wrote:What is your budget?<2000£ What is your monitor's native resolution?1080p, but I will be using dual monitors. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Everything, on the highest settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Development / programming, etc... Do you intend to overclock?If it's not too difficult, then yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No. What country will you be buying your parts in?The UK. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Just places that are reliable / cheap (if possible). This is my current build, but I'm not sure if you guys will agree with it: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Lh3Tpg Terrible cooler for 4790k, will limit OC. If you're not concerned about performance, don't buy a 4790k. If you are, grab at least something like this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-true-spirit-140-power-cpu-cooler-with-ty-140-pwm-quiet-fan-for-intel-and-amd-cpus - but consider stronger £15.30 of thermal paste is an awful lot, 20 grams is like 100 applications isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds like a ton. You only need one application, maybe five in the next two years. I think i have like a 5 gram tube that i've used a dozen times and it still has most of it left. Crazy low budget case, like cheapest things available which seems out of place for a £1330 build - only like 2-3% of the build cost on case.. you need to at least make sure everything fits, then good airflow etc. I didn't really see any good cases around £30, maybe this one is decent for very low priced cases but it still stands out a lot PSU is a bit overkill for SLI that GPU, really overkill for single GPU £335 for a single 770 is ridiculous. A few 290 models (non reference cooled) are available at ~£265-295 and they're ~40% faster, if you need nvidia then go 780 instead of buying extra VRAM on 770 www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-341-SP Thank you very much for your help Cyro. I have changed the things you suggested. I've never used thermal paste before but I heard it's necessary if you're overclocking? So that's why I put it there. I changed it for a smaller one and cheaper. What do you think now? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/PTPrRB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-003-SF&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=2057
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-014-SF&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=2057
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme
^good, 600-2500rpm - you can get the version that's capped at 1300rpm if you want. Not necessary, but an upgrade
aside from that i would just be concerned for case, fitting everything in (particularly big cpu cooler) and then for airflow.
I opted to take overkill route and got an air540 for ~£100 because of airflow, looks and ease of building
they look like this in terms of fans
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/a/af/aff1f7ba_h2vCpQt.jpeg)
Don't really need to care about case/cooler very much if you're not trying to absolutely max stuff out, so that last ~£75 isn't really necessary (cooler >~£35, case >=~£50)
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On July 29 2014 03:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +Now the big question, to OC or not to OC for an additional price of 65€. This is where I need your input again. What would you suggest? Is it worth it if I want to record 1080p/60fps videos for Youtube in the future and stream 1080p/30fps or 720p/60fps with SC2 and CSGO while still getting high framerates? (Also I didn't factor in Thermal Paste which I'd also have to buy). For this price, it's not even a question, but with a better z97 board it's more like 100 euro
Hmm so the Z97 board I linked isn't good enough? What's the difference between that one and the one you linked? What makes a good board that suits the rest of the build?
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More expensive boards have better VRM (for overclocking), more features, and better chipsets. Your Asrock Z97 Pro3 is only 3/4 phase board whereas the Gigabyte Z97-Gaming 5 is a 8 phase board.
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It's probably still worth overclocking if you can afford it.
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AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
ASRock 870 Extreme 3
Geforce GTX 460 OC 1GB
be quiet straight power e7 500W
4GB G.Skill 1333 CL9
I want an upgrade. I think I only need a new motherboard and processor and cpu heatsink. I want to use my case (Xigmatek Midgard), case fans, SSD, HDD etc.
I am looking for 4690k but it seems "old" now that a new generation is coming soon. I had a "painful" adventure 4 years ago. I bought my computer 2 months before i3 (2500k) came out. At that point there were no review or announcement or whatever about i3.
Edit: I play sc2, d3 and sometimes dota2.
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I know how you feel about 2500k, i bought a few months before too. Wasn't up to date on tech and i could have saved a lot of money otherwise. i7 950 to 4670k/4770k was too big of an upgrade for me to pass up, like 1.5x for a lot of stuff at typical OC's, but i probably would have stuck with a 2500k.
Very late this year or around first half of next year, we're getting broadwell which probably won't give significant performance gains over Haswell. It's very unlikely it would be >10%, and nobody would be surprised if it was less. The main draw is performance per watt (supposedly does 44% more work for the same amount of power) and testing out intel's 14nm which Skylake will use. It's big for mobile devices, but probably not much improvement for actual performance.
The next big release is maybe 1 - 1.5 years away, skylake with new socket, chipset and DDR4.
A 4690k, especially with OC would be a massive upgrade for you.
Your graphics card is very weak for other games though, we already have way stronger, still affordable GPU's and from about a few months from now into the first half of next year, we'll have "next gen" stuff instead of recycled early 2012 tech if you wanted a big GPU upgrade. That way you could upgrade through 2 architectures and 1-2 processing nodes instead of just 1 arch and 1 node
fermi + 40nm - your GPU
kepler + 28nm - current stuff
maxwell +28nm/20nm - 750ti (amazing performance/watt) and future releases soon
^or radeon equivelants. Nvidia's releasing next gen GPU's first AFAIK.
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ok, can you help me? Which stuff should I buy? I dont want to pay ~500€... the less the better for me.
Edit: I have no clue about architecutre and stuff. 750ti sounds amazing for ~120€, which brand should i buy? Is there a great cpu for ~100€? 4690k costs around 200€ 
Which motherboard?
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750/750ti isn't great to get because it's not a massive upgrade
If you can't afford 4690k+z97 and a good cooler (like 350 euro?) then the Pentium G3258 is an option (can OC a decent amount on stock cooler and a cheaper motherboard) but trading 6 slow cores for 2 fast ones instead of 4 fast ones is pretty questionable, unless you only want something like sc2 to run well
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