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I don't think I'm going to have any issues with overheating, and I don't think I'm going to want to overclock it so much that that would even be a possibility.
I completely get the "save money" attempts at moderate OC's, but the "hey, lets get whatever we can get with no effort or expense out of it as fast as possible and then forget about it" is just a completely different attitude. I've seen it a lot with more "mainstream" overclocking and i'm not really sure what to say about it, it seems silly to me from a knowledge perspective and there is no fun in helping people do that stuff. It's a job with no pay. I'm not really sure what kind of results you'd get with "idgaf" attitude, maybe ok, maybe bad but it wouldn't be fun for anyone or particularly effective and i don't understand why you would seek it out.
Most people wouldn't even notice the difference between average 4 phase and 8 phase board for Haswell, but things like cooling and having a basic understanding of what voltages do are way more important
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On July 31 2014 15:05 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +I don't think I'm going to have any issues with overheating, and I don't think I'm going to want to overclock it so much that that would even be a possibility. If you want to save money and run at say 1.25vcore / whatever works with cool temps with a low end z97 board and a 212, then it's fine to not target higher end OC's, but if you're just gonna run whatever works without learning/playing, with low voltages and with bad hardware you're missing most of the point. It runs at 3.7ghz out of the box, so running at 4.2ghz isn't very special. I completely get the "save money" attempts at moderate OC's, but the "hey, lets get whatever we can get with no effort or expense out of it as fast as possible and then forget about it" is just a completely different attitude
Can you take this passive aggressive attitude elsewhere? I've done my research on every part of this build and weighed the pros and cons against each other. Implying I'm not putting in any effort or expense just because I suggested purchasing a cooler that only slightly underperforms it's competition (which is double the price) is ludicrous and insulting.
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It's not passive aggressive, and you quoted me halfway through some edits
I don't think I'm going to have any issues with overheating, and I don't think I'm going to want to overclock it so much that that would even be a possibility.
With these kinds of quotes, what are your expectations for the build?
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On July 31 2014 10:10 Epishade wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
$1000
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1440x900 buahahaha
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
AAA titles, SC2 etc
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Always wanted to stream, so probably that
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Probably not, I think my graphics card should be good enough not to need that
Do you need an operating system?
Yeppers
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nah
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel i5 4670k or 4690k for sure. GTX 770 gpu for sure.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Usa
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Not really
Ok, so I looked through PCPartPicker and newegg a bunch and I think I have my build for the most part. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nMX4YJI don't have a case, though. Was hoping someone could recommend a case to go with this for ~$50 or less. Also, some questions. 1. Should I increase the wattage on my psu? How much would overclocking add to the wattage? I decided on not adding another gpu with SLI, so I don't care about future-proofing my psu in that regard. 2. How much better does overclocking work on a z97 motherboard vs a z87? I decided on the z87 motherboard in my build because it was fairly cheap and had a good combo deal with the i5 4670k ($45 off). I originally wanted to get an i5 4690k though. But I don't exactly have the money to purchase it right now, and idk how long that combo is going to last. If it expires by the time I purchase my parts, I'll likely switch back to the i5 4690k, but should I still get that z87 motherboard, or upgrade? 3. My SSD is only 120 gb. How many gb should I expect to have if I'm putting my operating system on there? 4. Stupid question here. When I see pictures like this on newegg, do the cases actually come with LED fans that you can see, or is that just for show? I don't want lights coming out of my computer at night when I'm trying to sleep. + Show Spoiler +Edit: After some more searching, I actually found a z97 motherboard + i5 4690k combo deal that's the same price as the z87 4670k combo I had before. Here's new build with upgraded processor and mb for same price. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CbZVmGEdit again: I actually see that operating systems take about 30 gb in the op. No need to answer that there.
Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better than a Corsair CX500.
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Product A is faster and the difference would be massive if we are dealing with an APU and most professional task. For gaming, pretty stupid to waste so much money on getting faster memory unless you already have a top-notch GPU, CPU, and monitor setup.
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On July 31 2014 18:04 skyR wrote:
Product A is faster and the difference would be massive if we are dealing with an APU and most professional task. For gaming, pretty stupid to waste so much money on getting faster memory unless you already have a top-notch GPU, CPU, and monitor setup.
What if I were to try to stream at a consistent 60 FPS? Will product B still get the job done for what I am trying to do?
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CPU, GPU, and internet are all more important than RAM in streaming and gaming.
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On July 30 2014 11:46 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:37 Incognoto wrote:Are you going for the ASUS board or something Gigabyte? http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.pngPhase count on that motherboard is 4, which is meh compared to the gaming 5 from GA, which is indeed €150. That said it's probably possible to hit 4.5 GHz with that motherboard? cyro would know You could always go for an i5 4670k with a Z87 board, Z87 is a bit cheaper and the processors are mostly the same. + Show Spoiler +Overclocking will net you way better results for encoding 1080p60 than a stock processor will. I'm not sure where 4 phase vs 8 starts to really make a difference, i don't think it does @1.3vcore. Just take OC if you want the 25% FPS boost. If you're using NVENC anyway there's not much worry, but you might want to CPU encode when you see 3500kbit NVENC steam only giving as good quality as like ~2000-2500kbit x264 stream(?)
Thanks Cyro, Incognito. I'm not comfortable delidding so I guess I'll go the 4690K and Z97 route. I still can't find a phase count for the Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H motherboard so... I guess I'm hoping it'll be good enough to support running the 4690K at 4.5 ghz or slightly below that..?
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D3H looks like a 4+1 board.
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Always depends on the chip, really. With voltages, power requirements usually for 4.5 GHz or so, I don't see most of the boards being a limiting factor. 4.7-4.8 GHz is a different matter. The issue is the lack of real reviews in this market segment.
fwiw an AsRock Z97 Pro4 supposedly has some limited overclocking features but some customer review said 4.6 GHz on i7-4770k. Specifying voltage would mean a lot more, but an i5-4690k should be less difficult than an i7-4770k.
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I have seen a fan on PSU at pc shop today. I was very confused about it. Is it useful?
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On August 01 2014 05:30 Dingodile wrote:
I have seen a fan on PSU at pc shop today. I was very confused about it. Is it useful?
What? 99% of power supplies have a fan because it's required to cool the power supply.
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Thanks skyR, Myrmidon, so I guess that's my build sorted out! 4690K at 4.5 ghz with the Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H motherboard and the macho HR CPU cooler it is!
Now it's time to pick out a case, they're currently advertising the NZXT Phantom 240 Midi-Tower on Case-King, I think it looks pretty nice. It's 79,90 EUR currently - not cheap but I think the case is worth it to invest a little bit into when you're building the system yourself. Any opinions?
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On August 01 2014 05:48 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 05:30 Dingodile wrote:
I have seen a fan on PSU at pc shop today. I was very confused about it. Is it useful? What? 99% of power supplies have a fan because it's required to cool the power supply.
I know that there is a fan within psu case, but up the psu case like if you put a fan on heatsink.
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On August 01 2014 06:36 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Thanks skyR, Myrmidon, so I guess that's my build sorted out! 4690K at 4.5 ghz with the Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H motherboard and the macho HR CPU cooler it is! Now it's time to pick out a case, they're currently advertising the NZXT Phantom 240 Midi-Tower on Case-King, I think it looks pretty nice. It's 79,90 EUR currently - not cheap but I think the case is worth it to invest a little bit into when you're building the system yourself. Any opinions?
Pretty good, looks like the hard drive cages at the front are split into 2 and you can remove one or both of them to use airflow from the front
I think the h440 is a generally better case, but it's ~30 euro more. It does come with two more stock fans though. Since the one linked only came with two, if i bought it then i would probably end up paying ~15 euro extra to run 3 intake, 2 exhaust and removing drive bays
There are cheaper options that wont be a big negative effect though
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On July 31 2014 14:11 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 06:26 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm back! This is a similar question to last time, I need to put together two low-end computers with a monitor for each, and I was hoping to get advice here to make sure everything fits together properly. The last one I built ended up having a slightly incompatible CPU/Mobo despite being sold as a bundle, so your expertise ensuring I don't do something like that again would be great.
Budget: $500 (For one computer + monitor)
Use case: No gaming, light work load. Remote desktop access, Microsoft Office, probably video viewing, internet browsing. Nothing strenuous as far as I am aware.
Purchase location: Seattle, Washington
Purchase date: Immediately
Upgrade cycle: Probably none, these are likely only going to be replaced when they stop working so reliability is a priority.
Monitor: I would hope that we can get a 1920x1080 on budget. Not mission critical, it would just seem silly to get anything lower res.
Other software/peripherals: Already have the OS, will need mouse + keyboard. One of the two needs to have wireless. (Any suggestions for a wireless adapter for a different computer would be welcome!)
Thanks again for all your help! I know that my questions tend to be about boring builds, hopefully in a year or so I'll be able to ask about something more exciting to replace my laptop!
Edit: Not averse to a prebuilt if building won't save much money. I've not got a good grasp on the price difference. At the low end you lose money building yourself if you need OS and peripherals. It's about the same or slightly better if you don't need OS. http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/dell-small-desktop-inspiron-3000/48083.aspx$380 for Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-core CPU, 4GB RAM, 1TB Hard Drive, Intel HD 4400 graphics, DVD Burner, Wireless-N, Bluetooth 4.0, bundled Keyboard + Mouse, 90-day premium phone support, 1-year warranty and pre-installed Windows 8.1 operating system, for example. I mean, you probably don't need a Core i3-4150 for that, and you could cut it down to be slightly less if done piece-by-piece yourself, but the above is about what you should expect to pay. And a monitor. Here's a 21.5" 1080p IPS for under $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005588
Thank you Myrmidon (and SkyR)! That prebuilt does seem to cover the need more effectively, though I may need to install Windows 7 on it for the people using them (they are not gonna be adept at Windows 8). Still saves enough time to be more than worth it though!
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On August 01 2014 07:58 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 06:36 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Thanks skyR, Myrmidon, so I guess that's my build sorted out! 4690K at 4.5 ghz with the Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H motherboard and the macho HR CPU cooler it is! Now it's time to pick out a case, they're currently advertising the NZXT Phantom 240 Midi-Tower on Case-King, I think it looks pretty nice. It's 79,90 EUR currently - not cheap but I think the case is worth it to invest a little bit into when you're building the system yourself. Any opinions? Pretty good, looks like the hard drive cages at the front are split into 2 and you can remove one or both of them to use airflow from the front I think the h440 is a generally better case, but it's ~30 euro more. It does come with two more stock fans though. Since the one linked only came with two, if i bought it then i would probably end up paying ~15 euro extra to run 3 intake, 2 exhaust and removing drive bays There are cheaper options that wont be a big negative effect though
Okay yeah that makes sense, it comes with two 120mm coolers build in at the front and back side, two more (top and bottom) can be added in. The same company makes this cooler: NZXT FZ-120 Airflow Cooler 120mm which is 13 EUR so I'm thinking of just getting that one, it'll look best with the case I guess (or are there better 120mm coolers that I should go for instead?). I assume 3 coolers are enough for my build? I don't want unnecessary ones to be honest, just what I need for my overclocking.
Also, what constellation of coolers would you recommend? I'd probably go for front, back and top with the 120mm coolers and then use the PSU cooler towards the bottom since the case has holes on the bottom where the PSU goes if that makes sense? I'm not sure if the pre-installed front and back coolers are set to suck air in or push, I assume one does one and the other one does the opposite. In that case I intuitively would have the top cooler suck air in so it's 2 for the intake and one to exhaust? Is that the way to go?
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Front and bottom fans are always intake. Back and top fans are always exhaust. Hot air rises so there's no reason why you would mount intakes on the top.
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Ahh the more you know, so PSU at bottom, intake front and back and my extra 120mm on top for exhaust.
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