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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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Dingodile
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edit: i dont know how to oc, i guess i wont do it next time too. | ||
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
On July 29 2014 23:29 Cyro wrote: An ATX board is probably best, i don't know much of the cheap z97's No worries, you've already helped me a bunch! Anybody else? This is my current build: CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3,5 GHz (Devils Canyon) Socket 1150 - boxed (€191,90 @ Caseking) CPU Cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW) Tower Cooler (€36.01 special offer! @ Mindfactory) Motherboard: Gigabyte Z97M-D3H, Intel Z97 Mainboard - Sockel 1150 (€99.90 @ Caseking) Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€70.78 @ Amazon Deutschland) Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€64.90 @ Caseking) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (€217.93 @ Amazon Deutschland) Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case (€59.90 @ Caseking) Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€47.90 @ Caseking) Total: €789.01 The question mark is the motherboard since I don't know if that and the rest of the build is good enough to overclock the 4690K to ~4.5ghz. If that requires a ~150€ motherboard I'm probably going to say screw it and not overclock (so I can get a different CPU, motherboard and no CPU cooler). | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The Crucial M500 was replaced by Crucial MX100 which should be better on paper, and also cheaper. I don't know if the Antec 300 case isn't a bit long in the tooth by now. It looks so old on the inside. | ||
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
Thanks on the heads up on the SSD replacement, it's not cheaper tho - I guess it's better? Anyways it's just 4 bucks more expensive so I replaced it! I should have mentioned the case is pretty much a placeholder, picking that one out last when everything else is set in stone. This is the current build with correct links/names: CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3,5 GHz (Devils Canyon) Socket 1150 - boxed (€191,90 @ Caseking) CPU Cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW) Tower Cooler (€36.01 special offer! @ Mindfactory) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H Intel Z97 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail (€97.51 @ Mindfactory) Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€70.78 @ Amazon Deutschland) Storage: Crucial MX100 2,5 Zoll SSD, SATA 6G - 128 GB (€69.90 @ Caseking) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (€217.93 @ Amazon Deutschland) Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€47.90 @ Caseking) Case (PLACEHOLDER - will be sorted out last): Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case (€59.90 @ Caseking) Total: €791.83 Once again, I want to aim at overclocking the 4690K to about 4.5 ghz. Does that look good or are there any more improvements that could be made with my requirement of wanting to play SC2 and CS:GO on highest settings with high framerates, locally record video at 1080p60fps and stream at 1080p30fps or 720p60fps (with NVENC)? And is it worth it to overclock for my requirements when I could save a good 80 bucks by going for the 4670 and a cheaper motherboard without overclocking? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png Phase count on that motherboard is 4, which is meh compared to the gaming 5 from GA, which is indeed €150. That said it's probably possible to hit 4.5 GHz with that motherboard? cyro would know You could always go for an i5 4670k with a Z87 board, Z87 is a bit cheaper and the processors are mostly the same. + Show Spoiler + Difference between the 4690k and the 4670k is that the 4690k is binned higher (e.g. the chip will probably overclock higher more easily) and it has better thermal paste (better heat transfer). This can be negated with a delid, which is something you probably won't do if you're hesitating @ overclocking. Delidding is fairly idiot-proof but a lot of people don't want to go through with it, you are hitting your processor with a hammer after all. delidding is also kind of an elitist thing, it's not necessary to overclock, some people just like the good temperatures gains it can net you. people can also delid on devil's canyon What I would consider is doing the following. perhaps get the i5 4670k and the Z87X-D3H from gigabyte. this will overclock quite nicely, even without a delid. The Z87X-D3H has a phase count of 8 (!) while being cheaper than the gaming 5. This is a bit cheaper than the Z97 route, by ~€20. it should be fine for 1080p60 streaming. http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Mainboards/Gigabyte/Gigabyte-Z87X-D3H-Intel-Z87-Mainboard-Sockel-1150::23046.html http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Prozessoren/Sockel-1150-Intel/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-34-GHz-Haswell-Sockel-1150-boxed::23018.html Overclocking will net you way better results for encoding 1080p60 than a stock processor will. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
Budget: $500 (For one computer + monitor) Use case: No gaming, light work load. Remote desktop access, Microsoft Office, probably video viewing, internet browsing. Nothing strenuous as far as I am aware. Purchase location: Seattle, Washington Purchase date: Immediately Upgrade cycle: Probably none, these are likely only going to be replaced when they stop working so reliability is a priority. Monitor: I would hope that we can get a 1920x1080 on budget. Not mission critical, it would just seem silly to get anything lower res. Other software/peripherals: Already have the OS, will need mouse + keyboard. One of the two needs to have wireless. (Any suggestions for a wireless adapter for a different computer would be welcome!) Thanks again for all your help! I know that my questions tend to be about boring builds, hopefully in a year or so I'll be able to ask about something more exciting to replace my laptop! Edit: Not averse to a prebuilt if building won't save much money. I've not got a good grasp on the price difference. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On July 30 2014 05:37 Incognoto wrote: Are you going for the ASUS board or something Gigabyte? http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png Phase count on that motherboard is 4, which is meh compared to the gaming 5 from GA, which is indeed €150. That said it's probably possible to hit 4.5 GHz with that motherboard? cyro would know You could always go for an i5 4670k with a Z87 board, Z87 is a bit cheaper and the processors are mostly the same. + Show Spoiler + Difference between the 4690k and the 4670k is that the 4690k is binned higher (e.g. the chip will probably overclock higher more easily) and it has better thermal paste (better heat transfer). This can be negated with a delid, which is something you probably won't do if you're hesitating @ overclocking. Delidding is fairly idiot-proof but a lot of people don't want to go through with it, you are hitting your processor with a hammer after all. delidding is also kind of an elitist thing, it's not necessary to overclock, some people just like the good temperatures gains it can net you. people can also delid on devil's canyon What I would consider is doing the following. perhaps get the i5 4670k and the Z87X-D3H from gigabyte. this will overclock quite nicely, even without a delid. The Z87X-D3H has a phase count of 8 (!) while being cheaper than the gaming 5. This is a bit cheaper than the Z97 route, by ~€20. it should be fine for 1080p60 streaming. http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Mainboards/Gigabyte/Gigabyte-Z87X-D3H-Intel-Z87-Mainboard-Sockel-1150::23046.html http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Prozessoren/Sockel-1150-Intel/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-34-GHz-Haswell-Sockel-1150-boxed::23018.html Overclocking will net you way better results for encoding 1080p60 than a stock processor will. I'm not sure where 4 phase vs 8 starts to really make a difference, i don't think it does @1.3vcore. Just take OC if you want the 25% FPS boost. If you're using NVENC anyway there's not much worry, but you might want to CPU encode when you see 3500kbit NVENC steam only giving as good quality as like ~2000-2500kbit x264 stream(?) | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
$900 What is your monitor's native resolution? Full HD 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LOL, WOW, Diablo, max settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Excel, running multiple programs, movies, streaming video Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Amazon if the price is within $5-10. Otherwise the cheapest place is fine Would also like an SSD and a regular HDD or a large SSD in the build | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 30 2014 06:26 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I'm back! This is a similar question to last time, I need to put together two low-end computers with a monitor for each, and I was hoping to get advice here to make sure everything fits together properly. The last one I built ended up having a slightly incompatible CPU/Mobo despite being sold as a bundle, so your expertise ensuring I don't do something like that again would be great. Budget: $500 (For one computer + monitor) Use case: No gaming, light work load. Remote desktop access, Microsoft Office, probably video viewing, internet browsing. Nothing strenuous as far as I am aware. Purchase location: Seattle, Washington Purchase date: Immediately Upgrade cycle: Probably none, these are likely only going to be replaced when they stop working so reliability is a priority. Monitor: I would hope that we can get a 1920x1080 on budget. Not mission critical, it would just seem silly to get anything lower res. Other software/peripherals: Already have the OS, will need mouse + keyboard. One of the two needs to have wireless. (Any suggestions for a wireless adapter for a different computer would be welcome!) Thanks again for all your help! I know that my questions tend to be about boring builds, hopefully in a year or so I'll be able to ask about something more exciting to replace my laptop! Edit: Not averse to a prebuilt if building won't save much money. I've not got a good grasp on the price difference. Fractal Design Core 1000 @ $35 ($20 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032 Intel Pentium G3240 + ASUS H81M-K + ADATA 4GB 1600MHz @ $148 ($138 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1659465 EVGA 500B @ $50 ($35 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438012 Plextor M5S 128 GB @ $65 ($50 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249024 (or the Crucial MX100 128 GB @ $75 if Plextor M5S sale is over before you see this): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148819 Total before mail in rebates, shipping, taxes, and other applicable fees: $308 Leaves you ~$200 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, wireless adapter, etc. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
When I mentioned that I had a 1440p monitor, I thought that my 1440x900 monitor meant 1440p, and that would mean I should get a >2 gb graphics card. I thought my monitor was better than 1080p, because 1440 is bigger than 1080 rofl. So then I don't need the 4gb gtx 770, and I can stick with 2gb. I've looked at reviews about gtx 770 vs r9 280x, and it seems that they're mostly pretty similar, but 770 has lower temps and is quieter, which is a trade-off that I'll accept over the extra gb that the 280x offers. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On July 30 2014 15:18 Epishade wrote: Ah shit, learned something new that I wish I had known earlier here. When I mentioned that I had a 1440p monitor, I thought that my 1440x900 monitor meant 1440p, and that would mean I should get a >2 gb graphics card. I thought my monitor was better than 1080p, because 1440 is bigger than 1080 rofl. So then I don't need the 4gb gtx 770, and I can stick with 2gb. I've looked at reviews about gtx 770 vs r9 280x, and it seems that they're mostly pretty similar, but 770 has lower temps and is quieter, which is a trade-off that I'll accept over the extra gb that the 280x offers. Yea, 1440p is almost three times 1440x900 :D 1440*900 = 1,296,000 2560*1440 = 3,686,400 3,686,400 / 1,296,000 = 2.844 You might want to look into a 1080p monitor, because 1920x1080 would give you better aspect ratio, 1.6x as many pixels and potentially a significantly better screen overall, particularly if your current one is not great and you wanted to spend a bit to get a model above the lowest end  | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
What is your budget? $1000 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1440x900 buahahaha What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? AAA titles, SC2 etc What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Always wanted to stream, so probably that Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Probably not, I think my graphics card should be good enough not to need that Do you need an operating system? Yeppers Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Nah If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Intel i5 4670k or 4690k for sure. GTX 770 gpu for sure. What country will you be buying your parts in? Usa If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really Ok, so I looked through PCPartPicker and newegg a bunch and I think I have my build for the most part. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nMX4YJ I don't have a case, though. Was hoping someone could recommend a case to go with this for ~$50 or less. Also, some questions. 1. Should I increase the wattage on my psu? How much would overclocking add to the wattage? I decided on not adding another gpu with SLI, so I don't care about future-proofing my psu in that regard. 2. How much better does overclocking work on a z97 motherboard vs a z87? I decided on the z87 motherboard in my build because it was fairly cheap and had a good combo deal with the i5 4670k ($45 off). I originally wanted to get an i5 4690k though. But I don't exactly have the money to purchase it right now, and idk how long that combo is going to last. If it expires by the time I purchase my parts, I'll likely switch back to the i5 4690k, but should I still get that z87 motherboard, or upgrade? 3. My SSD is only 120 gb. How many gb should I expect to have if I'm putting my operating system on there? 4. Stupid question here. When I see pictures like this on newegg, do the cases actually come with LED fans that you can see, or is that just for show? I don't want lights coming out of my computer at night when I'm trying to sleep. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Lcewi83.jpg) Edit: After some more searching, I actually found a z97 motherboard + i5 4690k combo deal that's the same price as the z87 4670k combo I had before. Here's new build with upgraded processor and mb for same price. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CbZVmG Edit again: I actually see that operating systems take about 30 gb in the op. No need to answer that there. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
1. Should I increase the wattage on my psu? How much would overclocking add to the wattage? Running all parts at pretty much max spec your system power would probably be like 350w if you ran CPU and GPU stress tests at the same time 2. How much better does overclocking work on a z97 motherboard vs a z87? You need z97 to use 4690k, which runs like ~8c(?) cooler than 4670k and is binned a bit more aggressively so will overclock higher on average at whatever voltages Those newegg pics are what is actually looks like Note that a 120GB ssd (for example) is often 120,000,000 bytes, which is actually ~111 gigabytes (120,000,000 divided by 1024, divided by 2014, divided by 1024 to go from bytes to kilobytes to megabytes to gigabytes) My 128"GB" ssd is ~119GB. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On July 31 2014 12:29 Cyro wrote: Running all parts at pretty much max spec your system power would probably be like 350w if you ran CPU and GPU stress tests at the same time You need z97 to use 4690k, which runs like ~8c(?) cooler than 4670k and is binned a bit more aggressively so will overclock higher on average at whatever voltages Those newegg pics are what is actually looks like Note that a 120GB ssd (for example) is often 120,000,000 bytes, which is actually ~111 gigabytes (120,000,000 divided by 1024, divided by 2014, divided by 1024 to go from bytes to kilobytes to megabytes to gigabytes) My 128"GB" ssd is ~119GB. I've read elsewhere that you can use z87 with 4690k. Not that it matters now anyways, since I updated my build with z97 mb and 4690k cpu. Think maybe I'll go with 240gb SSD then though. Cutting it a little close having ~81 effective gb of storage. | ||
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Cyro
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
edit: urps, double post. I guess it's two different replies with different content though. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 30 2014 06:26 Melancholia wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm back! This is a similar question to last time, I need to put together two low-end computers with a monitor for each, and I was hoping to get advice here to make sure everything fits together properly. The last one I built ended up having a slightly incompatible CPU/Mobo despite being sold as a bundle, so your expertise ensuring I don't do something like that again would be great. Budget: $500 (For one computer + monitor) Use case: No gaming, light work load. Remote desktop access, Microsoft Office, probably video viewing, internet browsing. Nothing strenuous as far as I am aware. Purchase location: Seattle, Washington Purchase date: Immediately Upgrade cycle: Probably none, these are likely only going to be replaced when they stop working so reliability is a priority. Monitor: I would hope that we can get a 1920x1080 on budget. Not mission critical, it would just seem silly to get anything lower res. Other software/peripherals: Already have the OS, will need mouse + keyboard. One of the two needs to have wireless. (Any suggestions for a wireless adapter for a different computer would be welcome!) Thanks again for all your help! I know that my questions tend to be about boring builds, hopefully in a year or so I'll be able to ask about something more exciting to replace my laptop! Edit: Not averse to a prebuilt if building won't save much money. I've not got a good grasp on the price difference. At the low end you lose money building yourself if you need OS and peripherals. It's about the same or slightly better if you don't need OS. http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/dell-small-desktop-inspiron-3000/48083.aspx $380 for Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-core CPU, 4GB RAM, 1TB Hard Drive, Intel HD 4400 graphics, DVD Burner, Wireless-N, Bluetooth 4.0, bundled Keyboard + Mouse, 90-day premium phone support, 1-year warranty and pre-installed Windows 8.1 operating system, for example. I mean, you probably don't need a Core i3-4150 for that, and you could cut it down to be slightly less if done piece-by-piece yourself, but the above is about what you should expect to pay. And a monitor. Here's a 21.5" 1080p IPS for under $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005588 | ||
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