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On July 28 2014 06:58 Myrmidon wrote: Everything is... fine, but I specifically picked those exact components because of their pricing on newegg relative to the pricing of everything else on newegg. You're paying arguably a bit much on the case and way too much for the memory as it is instead of something more like this: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/
I decided on amazon, because of the discounts on i get from PRIME. I'll switch the memory with this one you suggested.
On July 28 2014 06:22 Incognoto wrote: Nvidia tends to lose the price / performance side of things, imo. They have good drivers and I imagine that you don't get the small teething problems you get with amd cards sometimes (coil whine at high fps for example). I'm unsure but I just think that Nvidia GPUs run a bit cooler, I think a 780 might generate less heat than an R9 290. I think the premium can be justified. However AMD definitely is better in price / performance.
coil whiiiiiiine over here for me on NVIDIA (I think it's just luck)
I think ive heard that coil whine is fixable.
Something with bringing down the FPS on the gpu since its running super high. Superhigh=1000FPS ~ Changing it through a program or something.
It's totally random from what I've seen. I once had it where it would be quiet at low FPS, then loud at a certain FPS, then was quiet again at very high FPS. Increasing voltage helped on this current card I use. It also changes with the game. It's confusing so I gave up trying to understand it.
My current card kind of fixed itself over time. It slowly got better after simply ignoring it and letting it whine. It's now always pretty quiet. This was with the card running overclocked and very hot, so something might have melted and the insides of those parts producing the noise might have glued themselves together better?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? No high requirements for gaming , the computer will be mainly used for video editing.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Videoediting
Do you intend to overclock? No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes a new monitor and it's not part of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. ASUS
What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Do you have any previous system? Old hard drives? What kind of content? How much RAM do you use now?
I'd like to request a build/suggestions please. Will be building myself obviously. Before I start, I asked for a build about a good year ago and never actually made the purchase, I'm really sorry for that. Financial stuff came up that made it impossible. Thankfully now I'm back with more money and this time the parts will be ordered and the thing will be build in about one week 100%.
What is your budget? Up to 1000 Euro.
What is your monitor's native resolution? I run two 1080p monitors, both 60Hz. One's a Samsung computer monitor, the other one is a 1080p TV. I do plan on upgrading one of them, my PC monitor, to a better 120 or 144Hz one in maybe two years if that's important.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I will mostly be playing Starcraft 2 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. Both games are notorious for being CPU-intensive. I obviously want to aim at highest quality settings. Additionally, I want to be able to capture and stream 1080p/30fps and 720p/60fps footage (I'm aware of the required bandwidth). If it's possible to capture and stream 1080p/60fps with my budget at the moment that'd be sweet (although I know that might well be unrealistic without external capture card etc). It's important for me that neither video recording nor streaming causes my game to slow down too much, I've heard good things about NVidia's Shadowplay and NVENC on-board encoder.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? I'm a computer science student and hobbyist game developer. I also need to edit my recordings. Programming isn't hard on the PC, editing can be.
Do you intend to overclock? I can but for now I'd rather avoid it if possible. Input is welcome.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I do not if it's not necessary to achieve what I'm looking for.
Do you need an operating system? No. I will be running Windows 8 which I get for free from my university.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No, I have everything I need. I do require a case though, a power unit and an SSD. I have a pretty fast 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 HDD @ 7200RPM. I don't need a CD/DVD drive/burner (I will use an external CD/DVD drive if I ever need it - haven't used my build-in one once in the last 3 years).
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I definitely want to avoid AMD, so Intel and NVidia are my preferences.
What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. I'm currently looking at amazon.de, mindfactory.de, hardwareversand.de and alternate.de
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None, wherever it's cheapest.
Any ideas? I generally regard the CPU/GPU combo as the core of the PC so where do I start with my requirements? Does an i7 pay off when it comes to streaming? I'm limited to Geforce 600 and 700 series because of Shadowplay (I assume that's the way to go for what I want), what's a good choice?
Thanks ahead of time, this thread is awesome and I greatly appreciate you taking your time to help me out! ♥
On July 28 2014 06:22 Incognoto wrote: Nvidia tends to lose the price / performance side of things, imo. They have good drivers and I imagine that you don't get the small teething problems you get with amd cards sometimes (coil whine at high fps for example). I'm unsure but I just think that Nvidia GPUs run a bit cooler, I think a 780 might generate less heat than an R9 290. I think the premium can be justified. However AMD definitely is better in price / performance.
coil whiiiiiiine over here for me on NVIDIA (I think it's just luck)
I think ive heard that coil whine is fixable.
Something with bringing down the FPS on the gpu since its running super high. Superhigh=1000FPS ~ Changing it through a program or something.
It's totally random from what I've seen. I once had it where it would be quiet at low FPS, then loud at a certain FPS, then was quiet again at very high FPS. Increasing voltage helped on this current card I use. It also changes with the game. It's confusing so I gave up trying to understand it.
My current card kind of fixed itself over time. It slowly got better after simply ignoring it and letting it whine. It's now always pretty quiet. This was with the card running overclocked and very hot, so something might have melted and the insides of those parts producing the noise might have glued themselves together better?
From what i know or heard atleast.
Whine coil is in alot of stuff, like lamps etc. Its normal.
Here is the video i "learned" about these stuff. No idea if its true but maybe it is.
On July 28 2014 10:11 skyR wrote: That would totally depend on you.
What he said. I have a 256gb SSD that is currently only using about 80gb. I however have a 2TB half full of material (music/mp3s/dvd&bluray rips (yes, of my owned discs)), and a 120gb SSD that's just for game installs at about 80gb.
The only reason I need that is for my large quantity of big data files - the average person probably could do just fine on 256gb in normal use. I'm a digital packrat/hoarder.
Heck, for the first 15 years or so of using a computer, I didn't even HAVE a hard drive. 3.5" Floppies all the way. So, you have to take into account what you use your storage for, and decide if you have to have more. I can tell you that even with a decent Steam library and Blizzard, you aren't going to fill up that SSD.
The two big ticket storage needs are video files and games. For example, Watch_Dogs takes up 14GB, League of Legends 8GB, a 3 minute 1080p@30fps video at 17Mbps (mostly uncompressed HD) uses 400Mb, while a somewhat compressed HD movie might run you 1.5GB.
You really don't need your games to be on an SSD, especially for multiplayer ones (you're going to be waiting for everyone to load anyway).
If you plan on having lots of video media or games around (especially those with high resolution graphics), 256GB may well end up being too little.
Now that said, adding an HDD later is trivial. You can start off with your 256GB SSD and add more storage if needed. That's the approach I recommend for you.
On July 28 2014 07:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I'd like to request a build/suggestions please. Will be building myself obviously. Before I start, I asked for a build about a good year ago and never actually made the purchase, I'm really sorry for that. Financial stuff came up that made it impossible. Thankfully now I'm back with more money and this time the parts will be ordered and the thing will be build in about one week 100%.
What is your budget? Up to 1000 Euro.
What is your monitor's native resolution? I run two 1080p monitors, both 60Hz. One's a Samsung computer monitor, the other one is a 1080p TV. I do plan on upgrading one of them, my PC monitor, to a better 120 or 144Hz one in maybe two years if that's important.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I will mostly be playing Starcraft 2 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. Both games are notorious for being CPU-intensive. I obviously want to aim at highest quality settings. Additionally, I want to be able to capture and stream 1080p/30fps and 720p/60fps footage (I'm aware of the required bandwidth). If it's possible to capture and stream 1080p/60fps with my budget at the moment that'd be sweet (although I know that might well be unrealistic without external capture card etc). It's important for me that neither video recording nor streaming causes my game to slow down too much, I've heard good things about NVidia's Shadowplay and NVENC on-board encoder.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? I'm a computer science student and hobbyist game developer. I also need to edit my recordings. Programming isn't hard on the PC, editing can be.
Do you intend to overclock? I can but for now I'd rather avoid it if possible. Input is welcome.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I do not if it's not necessary to achieve what I'm looking for.
Do you need an operating system? No. I will be running Windows 8 which I get for free from my university.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No, I have everything I need. I do require a case though, a power unit and an SSD. I have a pretty fast 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 HDD @ 7200RPM. I don't need a CD/DVD drive/burner (I will use an external CD/DVD drive if I ever need it - haven't used my build-in one once in the last 3 years).
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I definitely want to avoid AMD, so Intel and NVidia are my preferences.
What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. I'm currently looking at amazon.de, mindfactory.de, hardwareversand.de and alternate.de
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None, wherever it's cheapest.
Any ideas? I generally regard the CPU/GPU combo as the core of the PC so where do I start with my requirements? Does an i7 pay off when it comes to streaming? I'm limited to Geforce 600 and 700 series because of Shadowplay (I assume that's the way to go for what I want), what's a good choice?
Thanks ahead of time, this thread is awesome and I greatly appreciate you taking your time to help me out! ♥
Here's an example build entirely from two retailers:
You're way under 1k with that. i7 is hardly worth paying for IMO, but OC i5 4690k can really be worth your time (and money).
Hyperthreading on CPU that's @3.6ghz under load is useful for some stuff - for example 1.2x performance for video encoding.
If you just ran at 4.6ghz on i5 instead though, instead of having 1.2x performance for some loads but not others, you'd have ~1.28x performance for not just those loads, but everything limited by CPU including CSGO/sc2 FPS.
It's usually not worth streaming @1080p60 but OC i5 setup would let you do it for some games (always with NVENC, or sometimes with CPU, depending on how much it's loaded.. you'd be faster than an an i7 4770, anyway) - usually though you'd probably want ~720p60/1080p30 with CPU or NVENC depending on how much you value quality vs performance hit in that particular case. NVENC is the "runs like butter, forgot i was streaming for 3 hours" setup, while CPU encoding does give better quality per bit.
I have a somewhat similar build (4770k and 770.. but it doesn't matter, gpu usage wasn't an issue and hyperthreading doesn't help CS:GO) and i'm pretty sure i had >200fps (i ran 240 cap once for a bit) but often @300 cap while playing and recording with NVENC. I have a 144hz/strobe screen and performance wasn't an issue. I could maybe download and test with you if you wanted
On July 28 2014 06:22 Incognoto wrote: Nvidia tends to lose the price / performance side of things, imo. They have good drivers and I imagine that you don't get the small teething problems you get with amd cards sometimes (coil whine at high fps for example). I'm unsure but I just think that Nvidia GPUs run a bit cooler, I think a 780 might generate less heat than an R9 290. I think the premium can be justified. However AMD definitely is better in price / performance.
coil whiiiiiiine over here for me on NVIDIA (I think it's just luck)
I think ive heard that coil whine is fixable.
Something with bringing down the FPS on the gpu since its running super high. Superhigh=1000FPS ~ Changing it through a program or something.
It's totally random from what I've seen. I once had it where it would be quiet at low FPS, then loud at a certain FPS, then was quiet again at very high FPS. Increasing voltage helped on this current card I use. It also changes with the game. It's confusing so I gave up trying to understand it.
My current card kind of fixed itself over time. It slowly got better after simply ignoring it and letting it whine. It's now always pretty quiet. This was with the card running overclocked and very hot, so something might have melted and the insides of those parts producing the noise might have glued themselves together better?
I've also given up trying to understand and get rid of coil whine. I also forgot that you had an Nvidia card that had coil whine. Isn't it a GTX 560 though? I'm thinking the newer cards don't have coil whine. I don't think I've heard of anyone with coil whine on their GTX 7xx.
Now that we've brought the topic back up, I'm thinking of removing the heatsink from my GPU for maintenance. Get rid of all the dust from the heatsink itself. I might apply nail polish to any exposed coils I see, maybe that will fix it. Not sure yet, will have to see when I get the card unassembled.
I got €40 worth of tips working at a garage this month. I'm thinking of using that money to pimp up my computer. I wanna make it run a bit quieter. noisiest stuff is either the stock cooler or the PSU. I need to run speedfan or something to be 100% sure
This is why I'm considering getting a good CPU cooler. the stock cooler right now is doing its job well enough, but I'm thinking that it might not be so bad to get something to run the CPU cooler and quieter. i'm sometimes hitting 72°C after all. maybe, maybe this:
Never built a computer before but I have a few questions about video cards.
My current monitor is 1440p @ 60Hz. I planned on re-using this monitor, and I heard that any resolution above 1080p should use a 4gb graphics card vs a 2gb graphics card. Is this true?
My current graphics card is quite old, an nvidia 8800 GTS. I planned on getting a new graphics card (2gb or 4gb) GTX 770. Can I SLI these 2 different model cards together for better performance?
Say I get the 4gb GTX 770. If, later down the road, I want to buy another 770 and SLI the two, do they both have to be 4gb, or can I SLI a 2gb with a 4gb?
Also, should I basically just go with the cheapest GTX 770 brand I find? I've looked through reviews and not seen any real reason why I should favor one brand over another. The cheapest ones I saw costed $300.
On July 28 2014 06:22 Incognoto wrote: Nvidia tends to lose the price / performance side of things, imo. They have good drivers and I imagine that you don't get the small teething problems you get with amd cards sometimes (coil whine at high fps for example). I'm unsure but I just think that Nvidia GPUs run a bit cooler, I think a 780 might generate less heat than an R9 290. I think the premium can be justified. However AMD definitely is better in price / performance.
coil whiiiiiiine over here for me on NVIDIA (I think it's just luck)
I think ive heard that coil whine is fixable.
Something with bringing down the FPS on the gpu since its running super high. Superhigh=1000FPS ~ Changing it through a program or something.
It's totally random from what I've seen. I once had it where it would be quiet at low FPS, then loud at a certain FPS, then was quiet again at very high FPS. Increasing voltage helped on this current card I use. It also changes with the game. It's confusing so I gave up trying to understand it.
My current card kind of fixed itself over time. It slowly got better after simply ignoring it and letting it whine. It's now always pretty quiet. This was with the card running overclocked and very hot, so something might have melted and the insides of those parts producing the noise might have glued themselves together better?
I've also given up trying to understand and get rid of coil whine. I also forgot that you had an Nvidia card that had coil whine. Isn't it a GTX 560 though? I'm thinking the newer cards don't have coil whine. I don't think I've heard of anyone with coil whine on their GTX 7xx.
Now that we've brought the topic back up, I'm thinking of removing the heatsink from my GPU for maintenance. Get rid of all the dust from the heatsink itself. I might apply nail polish to any exposed coils I see, maybe that will fix it. Not sure yet, will have to see when I get the card unassembled.
I got €40 worth of tips working at a garage this month. I'm thinking of using that money to pimp up my computer. I wanna make it run a bit quieter. noisiest stuff is either the stock cooler or the PSU. I need to run speedfan or something to be 100% sure
This is why I'm considering getting a good CPU cooler. the stock cooler right now is doing its job well enough, but I'm thinking that it might not be so bad to get something to run the CPU cooler and quieter. i'm sometimes hitting 72°C after all. maybe, maybe this:
Anything is an improvement over stock cooler afaik.
My 770 had coil whine at thousands of FPS but it stopped after a bit of time i think(?)
On July 28 2014 15:56 Epishade wrote: Never built a computer before but I have a few questions about video cards.
My current monitor is 1440p @ 60Hz. I planned on re-using this monitor, and I heard that any resolution above 1080p should use a 4gb graphics card vs a 2gb graphics card. Is this true?
My current graphics card is quite old, an nvidia 8800 GTS. I planned on getting a new graphics card (2gb or 4gb) GTX 770. Can I SLI these 2 different model cards together for better performance?
Say I get the 4gb GTX 770. If, later down the road, I want to buy another 770 and SLI the two, do they both have to be 4gb, or can I SLI a 2gb with a 4gb?
Also, should I basically just go with the cheapest GTX 770 brand I find? I've looked through reviews and not seen any real reason why I should favor one brand over another. The cheapest ones I saw costed $300.
>2GB is wise for 1440p if you value high settings
an 8800GTS is so much weaker than a 770 that even if you could SLI them, it wouldn't be anywhere close to worth it.
They'd both have to be 4GB, even if you could pair 2GB with 4GB, memory is mirrored, so you'd only have 2GB of effective VRAM with a 2GB + 4GB config instead of 4+4.
It's pretty important to get one of the custom coolers for some cards because the reference once are often not very good. That shows in temperatures, noise, etc. You're also paying for your warranty with the card brand that you get (gigabyte, evga, etc)
If 2GB of VRAM isn't enough for you on the gk104 chips (660ti - 770) then you should get a 780 or one of the Radeon cards, 280 (somewhat equivalent to 760-770) or 290 (somewhat equivalent to 780) instead of paying extra for 4GB. It's just not cost effective.
On July 28 2014 07:17 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I'd like to request a build/suggestions please. Will be building myself obviously. Before I start, I asked for a build about a good year ago and never actually made the purchase, I'm really sorry for that. Financial stuff came up that made it impossible. Thankfully now I'm back with more money and this time the parts will be ordered and the thing will be build in about one week 100%.
What is your budget? Up to 1000 Euro.
What is your monitor's native resolution? I run two 1080p monitors, both 60Hz. One's a Samsung computer monitor, the other one is a 1080p TV. I do plan on upgrading one of them, my PC monitor, to a better 120 or 144Hz one in maybe two years if that's important.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I will mostly be playing Starcraft 2 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. Both games are notorious for being CPU-intensive. I obviously want to aim at highest quality settings. Additionally, I want to be able to capture and stream 1080p/30fps and 720p/60fps footage (I'm aware of the required bandwidth). If it's possible to capture and stream 1080p/60fps with my budget at the moment that'd be sweet (although I know that might well be unrealistic without external capture card etc). It's important for me that neither video recording nor streaming causes my game to slow down too much, I've heard good things about NVidia's Shadowplay and NVENC on-board encoder.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? I'm a computer science student and hobbyist game developer. I also need to edit my recordings. Programming isn't hard on the PC, editing can be.
Do you intend to overclock? I can but for now I'd rather avoid it if possible. Input is welcome.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I do not if it's not necessary to achieve what I'm looking for.
Do you need an operating system? No. I will be running Windows 8 which I get for free from my university.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No, I have everything I need. I do require a case though, a power unit and an SSD. I have a pretty fast 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 HDD @ 7200RPM. I don't need a CD/DVD drive/burner (I will use an external CD/DVD drive if I ever need it - haven't used my build-in one once in the last 3 years).
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I definitely want to avoid AMD, so Intel and NVidia are my preferences.
What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. I'm currently looking at amazon.de, mindfactory.de, hardwareversand.de and alternate.de
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None, wherever it's cheapest.
Any ideas? I generally regard the CPU/GPU combo as the core of the PC so where do I start with my requirements? Does an i7 pay off when it comes to streaming? I'm limited to Geforce 600 and 700 series because of Shadowplay (I assume that's the way to go for what I want), what's a good choice?
Thanks ahead of time, this thread is awesome and I greatly appreciate you taking your time to help me out! ♥
Here's an example build entirely from two retailers:
You're way under 1k with that. i7 is hardly worth paying for IMO, but OC i5 4690k can really be worth your time (and money).
Hyperthreading on CPU that's @3.6ghz under load is useful for some stuff - for example 1.2x performance for video encoding.
If you just ran at 4.6ghz on i5 instead though, instead of having 1.2x performance for some loads but not others, you'd have ~1.28x performance for not just those loads, but everything limited by CPU including CSGO/sc2 FPS.
It's usually not worth streaming @1080p60 but OC i5 setup would let you do it for some games (always with NVENC, or sometimes with CPU, depending on how much it's loaded.. you'd be faster than an an i7 4770, anyway) - usually though you'd probably want ~720p60/1080p30 with CPU or NVENC depending on how much you value quality vs performance hit in that particular case. NVENC is the "runs like butter, forgot i was streaming for 3 hours" setup, while CPU encoding does give better quality per bit.
I have a somewhat similar build (4770k and 770.. but it doesn't matter, gpu usage wasn't an issue and hyperthreading doesn't help CS:GO) and i'm pretty sure i had >200fps (i ran 240 cap once for a bit) but often @300 cap while playing and recording with NVENC. I have a 144hz/strobe screen and performance wasn't an issue. I could maybe download and test with you if you wanted
Cool, thanks for the build, that is surprisingly cheap!
About the overclocking, I just noticed the 4690K is literally only 6 bucks more expensive and already comes with a dedicated CPU cooler. So I don't see any reason not to go with it. You suggest overclocking from the stock 3.5ghz to 4.6ghz? (because it says it only goes up to 3.9ghz?)
Say I wanted to spend 100-200 bucks more, where would be the best places to put that money into for that build and, maybe thinking about the future, my requirement of streaming and recording gameplay footage?
3.9 GHz is the turbo boost aka automatic overclocking.
All the mainstream retail processors comes with a heatsink. This included heatsink is not adequate for overclocking.
It's not just a K processor that is needed to overclock. You also require a Z97 and a heatsink so this is what you would be spending an extra $100-$200 on.
If you are recording, you will need to add another drive.
And if you have leftover, get a better case and power supply.
Ah okay makes sense, still wondering if it's worth it then... I guess I could just get the 4690K and run it at 3.9ghz for now and then always have the option to buy a heatsink and overclock to 4.6ghz later? I'm unsure.
As for recording, I was planning on having my OS and the games on my SSD and then write the videos out to my HDD? Maybe it would actually be worth it to get a second 128GB SSD just for writing video files to, my Samsung Spinpoint F3 is 'pretty' fast but not that fast anymore...
On July 28 2014 06:22 Incognoto wrote: Nvidia tends to lose the price / performance side of things, imo. They have good drivers and I imagine that you don't get the small teething problems you get with amd cards sometimes (coil whine at high fps for example). I'm unsure but I just think that Nvidia GPUs run a bit cooler, I think a 780 might generate less heat than an R9 290. I think the premium can be justified. However AMD definitely is better in price / performance.
coil whiiiiiiine over here for me on NVIDIA (I think it's just luck)
I think ive heard that coil whine is fixable.
Something with bringing down the FPS on the gpu since its running super high. Superhigh=1000FPS ~ Changing it through a program or something.
It's totally random from what I've seen. I once had it where it would be quiet at low FPS, then loud at a certain FPS, then was quiet again at very high FPS. Increasing voltage helped on this current card I use. It also changes with the game. It's confusing so I gave up trying to understand it.
My current card kind of fixed itself over time. It slowly got better after simply ignoring it and letting it whine. It's now always pretty quiet. This was with the card running overclocked and very hot, so something might have melted and the insides of those parts producing the noise might have glued themselves together better?
I've also given up trying to understand and get rid of coil whine. I also forgot that you had an Nvidia card that had coil whine. Isn't it a GTX 560 though? I'm thinking the newer cards don't have coil whine. I don't think I've heard of anyone with coil whine on their GTX 7xx.
Now that we've brought the topic back up, I'm thinking of removing the heatsink from my GPU for maintenance. Get rid of all the dust from the heatsink itself. I might apply nail polish to any exposed coils I see, maybe that will fix it. Not sure yet, will have to see when I get the card unassembled.
I got €40 worth of tips working at a garage this month. I'm thinking of using that money to pimp up my computer. I wanna make it run a bit quieter. noisiest stuff is either the stock cooler or the PSU. I need to run speedfan or something to be 100% sure
This is why I'm considering getting a good CPU cooler. the stock cooler right now is doing its job well enough, but I'm thinking that it might not be so bad to get something to run the CPU cooler and quieter. i'm sometimes hitting 72°C after all. maybe, maybe this:
On July 28 2014 15:56 Epishade wrote: Never built a computer before but I have a few questions about video cards.
My current monitor is 1440p @ 60Hz. I planned on re-using this monitor, and I heard that any resolution above 1080p should use a 4gb graphics card vs a 2gb graphics card. Is this true?
My current graphics card is quite old, an nvidia 8800 GTS. I planned on getting a new graphics card (2gb or 4gb) GTX 770. Can I SLI these 2 different model cards together for better performance?
Say I get the 4gb GTX 770. If, later down the road, I want to buy another 770 and SLI the two, do they both have to be 4gb, or can I SLI a 2gb with a 4gb?
Also, should I basically just go with the cheapest GTX 770 brand I find? I've looked through reviews and not seen any real reason why I should favor one brand over another. The cheapest ones I saw costed $300.
>2GB is wise for 1440p if you value high settings
an 8800GTS is so much weaker than a 770 that even if you could SLI them, it wouldn't be anywhere close to worth it.
They'd both have to be 4GB, even if you could pair 2GB with 4GB, memory is mirrored, so you'd only have 2GB of effective VRAM with a 2GB + 4GB config instead of 4+4.
It's pretty important to get one of the custom coolers for some cards because the reference once are often not very good. That shows in temperatures, noise, etc. You're also paying for your warranty with the card brand that you get (gigabyte, evga, etc)
If 2GB of VRAM isn't enough for you on the gk104 chips (660ti - 770) then you should get a 780 or one of the Radeon cards, 280 (somewhat equivalent to 760-770) or 290 (somewhat equivalent to 780) instead of paying extra for 4GB. It's just not cost effective.
Hmmm. The 780 and 290 is more expensive than I'd like. The 280 is at least the same price/less, but benchmarks less than the 770, which I'm not sure I'd like to trade off at the cost of more vram. Playing on max settings isn't TOO important for me. But I do like 1440p, and I'd like to be able to future-proof my graphics card via SLI if I wanted to. I suppose the best way to ensure that would be to go with 4gb gtx 770.
The cheapest 4gb 770 is $40 more than I would have paid for a 2gb 770, but is clocked at 1.06Ghz. The next cheapest is $60 more, but clocked at 1.14Ghz. How noticeable/big a difference is .08Ghz? Is it enough to justify $20?
On July 28 2014 17:21 NihiLStarcraft wrote: Ah okay makes sense, still wondering if it's worth it then... I guess I could just get the 4690K and run it at 3.9ghz for now and then always have the option to buy a heatsink and overclock to 4.6ghz later? I'm unsure.
As for recording, I was planning on having my OS and the games on my SSD and then write the videos out to my HDD? Maybe it would actually be worth it to get a second 128GB SSD just for writing video files to, my Samsung Spinpoint F3 is 'pretty' fast but not that fast anymore...
It is not wise to buy a Z97 to leave overclocking as an option for the future because most people who do this don't actually end up overclocking.
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? No high requirements for gaming , the computer will be mainly used for video editing.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Videoediting
Do you intend to overclock? No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes a new monitor and it's not part of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. ASUS
What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Do you have any previous system? Old hard drives? What kind of content? How much RAM do you use now?
I am building this pc for my friend. He is currently using a notebook which is just not strong anymore , the only thing he could do is screw out his SSD out of the notebook.
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