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I added the evga 500 for now, if I can spare more money in the end I'll go with the XFX. Thank you.
Any thoughts on the ram and mobo I posted?
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^I haven't seen anyone with the z97 pc mate board aside from people overclocking pentiums
dont cut costs to get a 270x instead of a 270, they're literally the same thing at different clock speeds and probably 270x binned a little better. If you manually set clocks on both there's probably only a few % performance difference.
$110 seems like not a lot of money for a z97 in canada. Giga's z97x-gaming 5 is a good go-to for an 8 phase board for pushing overclocks, but most people won't need or even want it. You can probably get decent boards significantly cheaper, but i don't think 2/3'rds of the price level cheaper.
Also consider cooling budget when dealing with cpu/mobo/cooler vs GPU. i7 needs significantly better cooling to run at similar overclocks, because hyperthreading adds about 8-12c at typical load temperatures. For a system that will be gaming on a limited enough budget to consider an r9 270, it probably doesn't make any sense to pay that much extra for CPU + cooling or take a 200mhz loss on core speeds just to use hyperthreading
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Alright. Going to go w/ the 270. Is there a reason this is so cheap?
http://www.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r9-270-core-1d-94992-1031.htm
Decided to go with an i5-4690k. I was leaning toward an i7 because I want to stream. Also, I play csgo, which doesn't require a high end gpu for high frames, which is why I was considering an i7 with a 270.
for the mobo, are you suggesting that gigabyte board? I am confused.
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Looks like regular pricing too me. Nothing cheap about a single 90mm fan XFX at $170.
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Hard to say without knowing what you pricematched.
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Added in price matches. Only 3. 
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I am buying from NCIX because of the price match and only 5% tax. Let me see how much this comes out to on ME.
Edit: Comes out to $900 with their price beat policy and flat shipping rate. They also only charge 5% tax. However, I don't think I get the gaming bundle that I would get from buying the i5 from ncix, as well as the 2 games from buying the r9.. not sure. Also, this doesn't come with the $20 insurance that I included in the $950 on ncix. So I think ncix is the better option.
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Is a 500W psu enough? These calculators are giving me 800W. Dafuq.
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PSU calculators are inaccurate at best.. assuming you know exactly how to use them. You're nowhere near 500w.
Either save more money on board or get z97x-gaming 5, IMO. Hyper 212 is a pretty weak cooler too. Mobo probably doesn't matter as much as cooling.
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On July 24 2014 03:09 Incognoto wrote:Overclocking doesn't decrease lifespan afaik, if you're being reasonable about it. With your budget and the goal of streaming, I think not overclocking would be a shame. There are still people who are using overclocked sandy bridge i5s and those processors are still performing nicely for today's standards. 16 Gb of RAM is useless, even for future proofing it's pretty much useless. Getting a nice fast RAM kit is a good idea though. I think you're looking at an overclocked Haswell processor with a single GPU, I'd go for maybe a GTX 780 or 780 Ti with that budget (though these cards are kind of overkill for 1080p gaming). It makes sense to get a decent 1080p monitor though, maybe a 120 or 144 Hz one. This is something I put together in 5 minutes, unfortunately I'm not well acquainted with australian vendors. It's approximately a build like this I would get, except I would do more research in both vendors (find good deals) and parts. http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/gL6VmGStuff to consider is getting an i5 4670k and a cheaper Z87 motherboard instead of 4970k and Z97. It's cheaper to go to the Z87 route and then delid, however delidding can be scary. I would also seriously consider looking at a good GTX 780, it might be good to get to drive a 144 Hz 1080p monitor. It's quite hard to ignore the price / performance ratio of the R9 290 though. I would also definitely do more than 5 minutes of research for a good CPU cooler and case. E: yeah I just don't like the gtx 760 / 770. I don't like these cards
Thanks for taking the time out to reply!
Alright awesome! Not sure where I got that idea that OC burns lifespan from then haha.
Ah okay, I kinda thought as much but yeah wasn't 100% sure.
Yeah I was going along the single GPU route. What's the difference between the 780 and 780 Ti? Is it worth the increased price? (I'll probably get the TI but if it's super marginal I might reconsider :p).
I was going along with the idea of getting a 780 anyway along with a 144 Hz monitor.
Hmm I'm really not confident on delidding. I've seen it done before and I'm not that confident in my abilities honestly. Would getting the 4970k with the Z97 achieve the same results as the i5 4670k and Z87 delidded?
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So! I'm going back to Canada tomorrow and I'll bring part of my pc with me. what I'm leaving behind is: monitor, power supply and case (all three for obvious reasons, i might add).
I then need suggestions on what I could get myself once back in Mtl.
A few notes:
My pc is 4-5 years old, performance-wise is nothing great but it does its job:
ati 7750, phenom II 955, asrock 880g ext3, 4gb ram, some hdd.
I'm a bit short of money, what could I aim for to remain below $300?
As monitor, a 24" would be best. I don't really care of having a fancy case, and energy-wise I guess 500/520W should do.
Thanks for the help boyz
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On July 24 2014 23:12 Sephyr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 03:09 Incognoto wrote:Overclocking doesn't decrease lifespan afaik, if you're being reasonable about it. With your budget and the goal of streaming, I think not overclocking would be a shame. There are still people who are using overclocked sandy bridge i5s and those processors are still performing nicely for today's standards. 16 Gb of RAM is useless, even for future proofing it's pretty much useless. Getting a nice fast RAM kit is a good idea though. I think you're looking at an overclocked Haswell processor with a single GPU, I'd go for maybe a GTX 780 or 780 Ti with that budget (though these cards are kind of overkill for 1080p gaming). It makes sense to get a decent 1080p monitor though, maybe a 120 or 144 Hz one. This is something I put together in 5 minutes, unfortunately I'm not well acquainted with australian vendors. It's approximately a build like this I would get, except I would do more research in both vendors (find good deals) and parts. http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/gL6VmGStuff to consider is getting an i5 4670k and a cheaper Z87 motherboard instead of 4970k and Z97. It's cheaper to go to the Z87 route and then delid, however delidding can be scary. I would also seriously consider looking at a good GTX 780, it might be good to get to drive a 144 Hz 1080p monitor. It's quite hard to ignore the price / performance ratio of the R9 290 though. I would also definitely do more than 5 minutes of research for a good CPU cooler and case. E: yeah I just don't like the gtx 760 / 770. I don't like these cards Thanks for taking the time out to reply! Alright awesome! Not sure where I got that idea that OC burns lifespan from then haha. Ah okay, I kinda thought as much but yeah wasn't 100% sure. Yeah I was going along the single GPU route. What's the difference between the 780 and 780 Ti? Is it worth the increased price? (I'll probably get the TI but if it's super marginal I might reconsider :p). I was going along with the idea of getting a 780 anyway along with a 144 Hz monitor. Hmm I'm really not confident on delidding. I've seen it done before and I'm not that confident in my abilities honestly. Would getting the 4970k with the Z97 achieve the same results as the i5 4670k and Z87 delidded?
Finding benchmarks and then looking at prices from your vendors would answer the 780 vs 780 Ti question. Look at performance increases in terms of % and then compare cost increase in terms of %. Maybe go for the most cost-efficient solution, I guess, since after all we're talking about cards that destroy 1080p; these cards are made for 1440p+ really.
4970k and Z97 "should" achieve the same result as the 4670k and Z87 with a delid. One solution is more expensive, the other has more work in it (delidding isn't really dangerous if you have common sense, but you do need to prepare well and it does take some time, you also need to buy CLU or CLP iirc). Cyro would give you a more precise answer than I would.
If you're going for a nice high end system, don't skimp PSU or case either. Arc Midi R2 is a case I'd like to look at. Not too expensive but's still pretty good in terms of airflow as well as acoustics (afaik anyway), for example.
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Hi again, back with the RAM question. Last time you guys suggested getting 8gb 2133 to fit in with z97x gaming 5 and i7-4790k, would this one be a good one to get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231689&cm_re=8gb_2133-_-20-231-689-_-Product
Sorry just not sure what timings to get or how important they are, i just know that first 3 add up to the 4th number If not that kit, which timings should I look for?
Would like to purchase from newegg cause they have a $15 off promo if purchased using IOS app with google wallet. Thanks
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4970k and Z97 "should" achieve the same result as the 4670k and Z87 with a delid.
delid temp drop is >2x bigger than the difference between 4670k and 4690k. That being said, you should always buy 4690k anyway, they're clocking higher on average and if you're delidding, either can be delidded for same temps
yea
As for above.. 780ti is like 10-12% stronger clock for clock than 780, so a lot bigger than the 290 to 290x gap, but also a massive drop in performance per dollar
Not sure where I got that idea that OC burns lifespan from then haha.
Using higher voltages lowers lifespan, but it's not really an issue or even a concern unless you're pushing voltages high. For mainstream overclockers on gaming systems etc it's no worry
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On July 24 2014 10:16 ridic wrote:Alright. Going to go w/ the 270. Is there a reason this is so cheap? http://www.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r9-270-core-1d-94992-1031.htmDecided to go with an i5-4690k. I was leaning toward an i7 because I want to stream. Also, I play csgo, which doesn't require a high end gpu for high frames, which is why I was considering an i7 with a 270. for the mobo, are you suggesting that gigabyte board? I am confused.
Does streaming require hyperthreading? o.O
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