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On July 16 2014 11:54 domane wrote:
I'm thinking of upgrading to a full modular power supply. Here is my PC:
Pentium G3220
GTX 750
Mini-itx Motherboard
2 x 4GB 1600Mhz Memory
120 GB SSD
What would be the wattage sweet spot for energy efficiency (assuming it's the exact same 80 Plus rating)?
What do you mean by exact same 80 PLUS rating? Regardless of rating, all power supplies are most efficient at 50%. Such a build would be under 100w for nearly all of its uptime so 200w would be the sweet spot but unfortunately manufacturers don't make good stuff that low. The lowest option that comes to mind would be a Seasonic Platinum 400w, which is quite expensive.
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I just meant when comparing full modular psus with the same rating.
Thanks for answering my question.
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On July 16 2014 01:34 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +I spent it because I thought I might want it OC to run Rome 2 Total War/Tera Online. However both games didn't stress the CPU nearly as much as I thought it would. (fps doesn't drop on max graphic setting) I've seen terrible numbers for Rome 2 and heard about Tera, so your FPS is probably pretty low at times but just not low enough for you to be bothered by it with your standards. It's still nice to take 2-3 hours and throw on a good OC, though
From what I've heard, there are a couple of problematic CPU-demanding settings that can be turned down/off for very reasonable performance for Rome 2 Total War. Shadows most notably & some other physics settings that use CPU.
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I was wondering could I use my current XFX 450W Core Edition 80+ Bronze Wired Power Supply to power this system below?
Intel Core i5 4440 Quad Core CPU Retail
Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon HD 7770 Graphics Card ATI PCI-e 1 GB GDDR5 Memory
WD 1 Tb HDD
Optical drive and then just general stuff like an mini-ATXMotherboard and 8gb ram.
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Yes, you can. This should be at most 250W or so, and the PSU can do around 400W if I found the right one.
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On July 16 2014 11:54 domane wrote:
I'm thinking of upgrading to a full modular power supply. Here is my PC:
Pentium G3220
GTX 750
Mini-itx Motherboard
2 x 4GB 1600Mhz Memory
120 GB SSD
What would be the wattage sweet spot for energy efficiency (assuming it's the exact same 80 Plus rating)?
You can't really buy one, because assuming GPU maxed, CPU not at 100% load, you're at like under 100 watts of power. I'm not aware of any decent efficiency modular 200w or less units
On July 16 2014 07:48 yido wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 01:34 Cyro wrote:I spent it because I thought I might want it OC to run Rome 2 Total War/Tera Online. However both games didn't stress the CPU nearly as much as I thought it would. (fps doesn't drop on max graphic setting) I've seen terrible numbers for Rome 2 and heard about Tera, so your FPS is probably pretty low at times but just not low enough for you to be bothered by it with your standards. It's still nice to take 2-3 hours and throw on a good OC, though hmm. ok I'll try it on and see if it is better. Honestly, I might play less sc2 if Tera loooks any better than it is now. Which mods do you use on Rome 2? I never seen fps even waiver on the largest army size and highest graphics. (I rarely play siege battles but when I do it is the only time I've seen the visual performance waiver) What would be a good way to find out if I have all the OC gear working properly? N670GTX GPU, Core i5 CPU, and CoolerMaster (I think Evo 212). I have the CoolerMaster attached to the CPU. So am I trying to OC the GPU instead? or both? Do you need anything more specific on my specs to know? or do I need to run an executable to test validity of the OC? Or should all this be on GPU drivers?
CPU OC is most important, in bios. That involves an overclocking and stability testing process, and the exact settings you have to change are labeled depending on which brand motherboard you have, though 3570k is relatively simple to OC. I think even if you don't notice bad performance, you'd notice better performance at times - i've played a lot with two people recently in the same situation (bought OC gear for some reason, ran stock for ages) and both of them had very bad performance at times (like 40fps on 60hz screen dips) and thought it was "fine"
On July 16 2014 14:47 ChristianS wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Symbiosis/saved/#savedbuild_1244514So I recently made this computer and am looking to buy a monitor for it. Any recommendations? My understanding is which video card you have significantly impacts what monitor you should use, so what will go well with a Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB video card?
Probably not worth buying below 1080p, 260x will run a lot of lighter stuff good on 1080p, but force you to turn down graphics settings for other stuff
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Hey,
I feel like my current system is reaching its limit for playing mostly non-AAA titles on max settings with decent FPS (the occasional Skyrim being the biggest challenge here) but I am not sure whether to upgrade parts of the PC or to replace it entirely.
I am very far from tech savy and I guess just for gaming today a new GPU might do the trick, but some other parts are pretty dated already and chances are I will also do video editing in the future so I would like to avoid jumping from one bottleneck to the next.
The question is: upgrade or new build?
Here is a mixed Q&A:
What is your current build?
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7 860 @ 2.80GHz
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
8,00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-11-11-28)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55-UD3 (Socket 1156)
Graphics
VW246 (1920x1080@60Hz)
DELL 1907FP (1280x1024@60Hz)
1024MB ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series (ASUStek Computer Inc)
Storage
119GB SAMSUNG SSD 830 Series ATA Device (SSD)
931GB SAMSUNG HD103SJ ATA Device (SATA)
Optical Drives
Optiarc DVD RW AD-5240S ATA Device
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 and 1280x1024
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Whatever catches my attention, everything from Baldur's Gate I to monsters like a modded Skyrim.
Honorable mention: Path Of Exile which to my knowledge has it's own special place in hardware hell.
Max settings.
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I don't want to be limited by the hardware, which I feel is currently happening.
What is your budget?
~1.300€
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Light office work, streaming, possibly video editing.
Do you intend to overclock?
Only if highly recommended.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Possibly, I am not sure if it is worth the investment though.
Do you need an operating system?
No, I will keep my hard drives and operating system.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No, but I might replace the Dell monitor by another widescreen onitor soonish.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
I live in Germany, so I would preferably buy in the EU.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None, but I have bought from Alternate in the past.
Many thanks for any advice you can give me :-)!
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On July 16 2014 07:48 Gabreael wrote:+ Show Spoiler + WHAT IS MY BUDGET
Probably between 800-1000
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 1080p
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Sc2, League, Hearthstone, D3, WoW, plus more.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming while gaming, school, web design.
Do you intend to overclock?
No?
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I don't think so.....only if absolutely needed...
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
no brand preferences and anything reliable and good and able to run on highest settings possible.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Usa
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None, anything reliable and good
Thanks for the help in advance guys ^_^
Intel Core i5-4590 - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116991
MSI H81M-E35 V2 - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130757
ADATA 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600MHz - $73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211861
Powercolor R9 280 - $210 before $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131570
Crucial MX100 256GB SSD - $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820
Samsung DVD burner - $15 after promo code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151266
Rosewill Capstone 450W (yes, it's more than enough for the build) - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
Corsair Carbide 200R - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
This kind of assumes the "plus more" games are more demanding or else the graphics card may be a bit on the high side. Well, it's coming in on the lower side of the budget anyway, just without a secondary storage drive. If 256GB isn't enough for you, just throw another hard drive (and SATA cable) in there or get a larger SSD than 256GB.
@Victolol:
Your HD 58__ something is showing its age. If it's HD 5830, it's pretty terrible. If it's HD 5850 or HD 5870, it could still use an upgrade.
I'd just buy a new graphics card and see if that's enough. If it's not, you can think about updating the rest (or actually, it may be worth throwing on a good CPU cooler and overclocking that). Stuff in the R9 280X / GTX 770 kind of range is roughly over twice as fast as an HD 5850, for example.
Eventually you'll need a new CPU, but it might not be right now.
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Thank you Myrmidon, I think I will do just that :-).
It is an HD5850, sorry for not specifying this earlier.
I think Cyro wrote earlier that a new generation of GPUs will come by mid 2015 (which is why I will probably go with a GTX 760 and replace it with a new one in 2015), is something similar going to happen with CPUs anytime soon or am I "safe" by upgrading within the next 6 or so months?
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I've been out of the loop for a little bit, but aside from the Samsung 840 EVO, what are the other top SSD price+performance/gb performers right now (if any)?
I'm looking at getting another one or two, and I just wasn't sure what other newer models were out there worth looking at.
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On July 17 2014 08:35 Mysticesper wrote:
I've been out of the loop for a little bit, but aside from the Samsung 840 EVO, what are the other top SSD price+performance/gb performers right now (if any)?
I'm looking at getting another one or two, and I just wasn't sure what other newer models were out there worth looking at.
Crucial MX100. It's pretty much the same performance level with pricing usually slightly better.
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On July 17 2014 08:51 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 08:35 Mysticesper wrote:
I've been out of the loop for a little bit, but aside from the Samsung 840 EVO, what are the other top SSD price+performance/gb performers right now (if any)?
I'm looking at getting another one or two, and I just wasn't sure what other newer models were out there worth looking at. Crucial MX100. It's pretty much the same performance level with pricing usually slightly better.
Thanks 
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On July 17 2014 10:05 Lannix wrote:I think this is the build that I will likely decide to make, however what do you think about replacing the processor here for say the Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor? What are the exact benefits for going with something like this over say the i5, other than the obvious GHz difference? Thanks in advance!
The K at the end of Intel CPU models means it's 'unlocked', meaning you can overclock it for pretty significant performance gains (i7-4790K is unlocked, i5-4690 is locked). It's worth trying if you care enough to learn and tweak some settings. It's not the most complicated thing in the world, but it can be a bit frustrating and daunting if you aren't tech savvy. It's basically a free upgrade to your CPU, though. (You'll want a nice CPU cooler if you want to overclock)
Other than that, the i5 and i7 are both quad cores but i7 has hyperthreading, meaning each core runs two threads (as opposed to one thread per core with the i5). The extra threads help a lot with really intense CPU work (encoding/streaming), but it doesn't make any real difference from a pure gaming perspective. The i5 will be able to stream games, but the i7 gives you a lot more breathing room.
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On July 17 2014 10:39 z0rz wrote:The K at the end of Intel CPU models means it's 'unlocked', meaning you can overclock it for pretty significant performance gains (i7-4790 K is unlocked, i5-4690 is locked). It's worth trying if you care enough to learn and tweak some settings. It's not the most complicated thing in the world, but it can be a bit frustrating and daunting if you aren't tech savvy. It's basically a free upgrade to your CPU, though. (You'll want a nice CPU cooler if you want to overclock) Other than that, the i5 and i7 are both quad cores but i7 has hyperthreading, meaning each core runs two threads (as opposed to one thread per core with the i5). The extra threads help a lot with really intense CPU work (encoding/streaming), but it doesn't make any real difference from a pure gaming perspective. The i5 will be able to stream games, but the i7 gives you a lot more breathing room.
That's quite helpful. Thank you.
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On July 17 2014 10:05 Lannix wrote:I think this is the build that I will likely decide to make, however what do you think about replacing the processor here for say the Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor? What are the exact benefits for going with something like this over say the i5, other than the obvious GHz difference? Thanks in advance!
That would only be a good idea for a gaming system if you had money to spare and didn't want to learn the basics of overclocking.
4790k runs at 4.2ghz under load (if you use more than a few cores) but you have to pay for hyperthreading etc which you probably don't really want to budget for. An i5 4690k could just run at like 4.6ghz and be better for games
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First Build! Looking for critiques
+ Show Spoiler [Q&A] +What is your budget?
I have no hard and fast budget (I have the money for this because I was getting a new laptop for college but my old one broke within warranty and was out of production, yay free new laptop!) but I would like to keep things (full build, computer+peripherals) under $1400 and down around $1300 would be preferable.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I have no monitor right now, getting one is in the build
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Primarily stuff like league of legends, SC2, TF2, and hearthstone. But I also like playing indie and older games from humble bundles, mirrors edge, bioshock, etc... I'd like to be able to play all of those on very high setting levels. But I also would like to at least be able to pick up new games if any inspire me and play them on medium. (obviously not like a brand new crisis game but if a new civ comes out I'd try it, and I may give PC shooters a shot)
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
This will also be used for much of my university work, primarily programming since I'm entering a comp sci major.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, I've included it in the build
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes all peripherals are included in the build
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No
+ Show Spoiler [My own random questions] +I hope to add a second of the monitor listed sometime soon. I also am planning to at some point dual boot windows with OS X. Nothing I've read has indicated that either of these would require something special from my build but I wanted to double check.
I also wanted to ask if it actually makes sense for this build to get an aftermarket CPU cooler, and if it makes sense to get that additional fan (the order page for the case doesn't mention fans but reviews seem to indicate it comes with 2, and most cases I've seen have at least 3).
I also have been recommended an upgrade to getting an i5 4590 and an r9 280, I'd like more opinions on whether I should get those.
Aside from all that I'm open to any advice or suggestions and I hope I haven't done anything horribly wrong with my first attempt.
+ Show Spoiler [Build] +
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If you want to try to run OS X, you have to be careful with the motherboard at least. I have no idea about the other parts. You need to look up suggestions for parts on those one or two Hackintosh forums, only buy something where someone confirmed that OS X runs without issue.
You don't need a CPU cooler and you don't necessarily need to buy Z97 if you don't overclock unless there's some feature you want on that motherboard.
EDIT: If the case comes with one 200mm fan in the front and another 140mm fan, that should be enough for you. I'd definitely try it with its default setup before buying another fan.
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I can buy a 1150 socket CPU if my old CPU is from AM3? Mainboard is AsRock 870 Extreme3.
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