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On July 19 2014 23:52 Dingodile wrote:
I can buy a 1150 socket CPU if my old CPU is from AM3? Mainboard is AsRock 870 Extreme3.
No, you can't. Your board has a different socket.
Also, when you think about upgrading the CPU, even if you buy a CPU with the right socket for your board, you will have to look up if the board supports the new CPU. There is a list somewhere in the support section of the manufacturer's webpages for your board.
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On July 20 2014 00:40 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 23:52 Dingodile wrote:
I can buy a 1150 socket CPU if my old CPU is from AM3? Mainboard is AsRock 870 Extreme3. No, you can't. Your board has a different socket. Also, when you think about upgrading the CPU, even if you buy a CPU with the right socket for your board, you will have to look up if the board supports the new CPU. There is a list somewhere in the support section of the manufacturer's webpages for your board.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/870 Extreme3/index.de.asp?cat=CPU
Sounds like that it is useless for any upgrades.
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The motherboard will explicitly say which types of CPU it supports. In your case, it supports only AM3 (not 1150).
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On July 19 2014 19:54 Ropid wrote:
If you want to try to run OS X, you have to be careful with the motherboard at least. I have no idea about the other parts. You need to look up suggestions for parts on those one or two Hackintosh forums, only buy something where someone confirmed that OS X runs without issue.
You don't need a CPU cooler and you don't necessarily need to buy Z97 if you don't overclock unless there's some feature you want on that motherboard.
EDIT: If the case comes with one 200mm fan in the front and another 140mm fan, that should be enough for you. I'd definitely try it with its default setup before buying another fan.
Thanks so much for the help. I hadn't thought dual booting to OS X would be very difficult but having just looked into what it takes to create and set up a hackintosh I think I'd rather pass on that for the first computer I ever build. I wanted it so I could work with the iPhone dev kit but I think I'll use a virtual machine for that. I guess now my question is: is using a virtual machine something that requires powerful hardware or will the computer I've built be okay with that?
Also assuming I'm not dual booting and if my motherboard is overkill if I don't overclock do you have any motherboard recommendations? (choosing a motherboard was definitely the hardest part of my research cause it didn't seem like performance was the issue, more just compatibility and having the right connectors, and I still am unsure how important it is to have x number of SATA or pcie headers or how important USB 3 is compared to USB 2 etc...)
Edit: I also wanted to just confirm, since you didn't mention it do you think upgrading to an i5 4590 and a radeon r9 280 would be unnecessary or overkill for what I'm doing with this computer?
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Perhaps take an ASUS or Gigabyte board out of this list here:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/437-building-customac-buyer-s-guide-july-2014.html#9series
The cheapest boards should be the ones using the H97 chipset instead of Z97.
I don't know what's up with the different network controllers. What Apple themselves use is perhaps best, and they probably use Intel as that one is inside the chipset itself and has the best performance?
The guys working on that Hackintosh support currently only seem to officially suggest the Z87/H87 boards, but they'll probably get those Z97/H97 boards working fine somewhat soon.
Here's their GPU list:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/437-building-customac-buyer-s-guide-july-2014.html#gfx_cards
Even if you are worried you won't manage to get OS X to work, you might still want to only buy stuff from those lists and nothing else because there shouldn't really be a massive difference in price or anything. I think the only reason these are the suggested boards is because of some sort of issue about the BIOS when installing OS X.
Installing it on a physical machine shouldn't be much harder than doing it in a virtual machine (except for getting dual-boot to work). You still need some sort of hack to get it to boot in the virtual machine.
USB3 is super important for external HDDs and fast thumb drives and perhaps other stuff, but you will always have several of those ports on current boards so you probably don't have to worry. Expansion cards are not that important any more (same with optical drives). If you will eventually find out that you have made a terrible mistake buying for example a tiny ITX sized board (those only have a graphics card slot and nothing else), you can nowadays find pretty much everything as an external device because laptops got so popular.
I'd take the latest generation of CPU, so 4590 over 4570, but I don't really have a reason.
For the OC capable CPUs, old 4670k and new 4690k, Intel enabled two new features on the 4690k (TSX and VT-d), so there's a perhaps interesting reason for the 4690k. It's probably not interesting for normal people but you never know what you'll run into in a few years in your CS studies. Those features are enabled on the 4570, were only disabled on the 4670k for some reason.
You'll probably never fill up all that room in the case on your list? You might want to take a look at mATX and ITX sized cases and boards but I don't have suggestions really. It could also save some money (probably not). On the other hand, all that room in a somewhat large ATX case makes it easy to assemble the PC, and this particular case you chose being somewhat expensive might mean that you'll have easy to access dust filters and other neat features like good fans and the metal being thicker.
I don't really have any idea about what graphics card is the best choice exactly, was never interested in the best graphics.
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Hey again.
I posted here last time to get some help finding a system for my girlfriend.
After you guys' help was awesome, I hope that you can help be now buying one for myself. : )
What we got back then was this:
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Going with that, I swapped out the GPU and CPU and also went for a 256GB SSD over the 128GB one, resulting in this:
Link to shopping cart over at mindfactory.de
This would cost ~100€ more, totalling ~665€.
Does this build look reasonable to you?
I would be willing to spend 50-100€ more than this, if it's recommendable from a performance standpoint.
The system will be used mostly for playing games, but I am not 100% sure what games that will be, so I am looking for an overall stable PC, that I can play most of the current games smoothly on max or close to max settings while also not "falling behind" hardwarewise in the close future. I do hardly play any FPS, which really seem to be the most hungy games right now (Crysis 3 or something? :D).
I hope you guys are able to advice me on this one as well. Last time was amazing! ^_^
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
Can't get much better price/perf than a 280
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What is your budget?
$1000 tax and shipping included
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
CS:GO @ highest fps possible, as well as some other random games
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
School
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No, free with school
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Don't need anything else
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'll be buying with NCIX, using their price match policy.
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I've changed my SSD to the MX100, but I can't find the case, ram, or psu on NCIX. Can you please send me some alternatives that I can find on there? Can you recommend another case just as good, maybe $20 more, but better looking?
For the mobo, I would like to spend the least amount of possible.. I don't need all the extra features, but I want to be able to have a decent overclock. Any suggestions?
Also, I'm buying the 4790k because I plan on streaming. However, I'm starting to think about buying the i5-4690k instead.
Thanks for your time!
EDIT: thoughts on water cooling for the cpu? Maybe h80i?
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On July 21 2014 10:23 ridic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?$1000 tax and shipping included What is your monitor's native resolution?1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?CS:GO @ highest fps possible, as well as some other random games What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?School Do you intend to overclock?Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?No, free with school Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Don't need anything else If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.None What country will you be buying your parts in?Canada If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I'll be buying with NCIX, using their price match policy. ------------------------------ I've changed my SSD to the MX100, but I can't find the case, ram, or psu on NCIX. Can you please send me some alternatives that I can find on there? Can you recommend another case just as good, maybe $20 more, but better looking? For the mobo, I would like to spend the least amount of possible.. I don't need all the extra features, but I want to be able to have a decent overclock. Any suggestions? Also, I'm buying the 4790k because I plan on streaming. However, I'm starting to think about buying the i5-4690k instead. Thanks for your time! EDIT: thoughts on water cooling for the cpu? Maybe h80i?
You can try the Fractal Design Core 3500 for $68: http://www.ncix.com/detail/fractal-design-core-series-3500-c9-94347-1286.htm or pricematch the Fractal Design Define R4 to $85: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352011
Unless you are into the minimalistic look that closed loop liquid heatsinks provide then no, it's a bad idea as tower heatsinks provide the same if not better performance at lower noise levels and lower price. Corsair H80i is like $100 while a Noctua NH-U14S is around $70.
I would got for a Core i5 4670k + Z87X-UD3H for $384: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1750489
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Why the 4670k over 4690k? Also, why not a Z97 board?
Sorry, I don't know enough about this stuff.
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4690k has better thermal interface material and possibly better binning, not worth the extra money for the typical person imo.
Z87X-UD3H for $145 is also a better board than the MSI Z97-Gaming 5 at $160.
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Well, you could probably get an i5-4690k and a cheaper heatsink and still overclock better (in terms of thermal limits) than on a i5-4670k, say drop to a Hyper 212 EVO from a NH-U14S.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
4690k has better thermal interface material and possibly better binning, not worth the extra money for the typical person imo.
What kind of price difference are you looking at to avoid a chip that runs ~8c cooler and clocks 100-200mhz higher on average with almost no chance of getting a terrible sample?
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A $25 difference between the GA-Z87X-UD3H and MSI Gaming 5, $40 if you include the mail in rebate.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
Not worth it IMO, chances are you can take a 4-phase board and worse cooling to make up $25 and still clock higher (unless you delid 4670k)
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Hey! I've been thinking of just buying a new computer since mines is fairly old so I was hoping you guys could help if you aren't busy.
What is your budget?
1500-2000. Of course the more money I save the better though I do want this computer to last a good 4-5 years. I do play high end games but rarely on High/Ultra due to my current computer not really being able to handle it. I don't mind that in 2-3 years my computer could become obsolete since I may already be ready to upgrade again; but for now just looking long term :p
I've already got an SSD with 3 HDD's so I won't need those. Also I know 16gb RAM is useless for gaming but for the long term, is it okay to spend that $100 extra for it? I'm not super tight on money so it's honestly fine.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I mainly play Dota 2 only due to the fact I really can't play anything else. Once I do upgrade I do plan on playing high-end games on ultra etc.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
University/Streaming
Do you intend to overclock?
Yeah if it's worth it. I do understand that OC -> less life so not 100% sure on OC yet.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nope. Honestly don't think I need it.
Do you need an operating system?
Nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Two monitors able to support this computer would be great. Add another 500 to the budget which brings it to 2000-2500.
Also I've got a third TV that connects to my current computer so probably need a video card able to support that? I'm guessing most new video cards already support that though.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Australia.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None.
Again thanks for the help! I'm always open to changing anything.
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Overclocking doesn't decrease lifespan afaik, if you're being reasonable about it. With your budget and the goal of streaming, I think not overclocking would be a shame. There are still people who are using overclocked sandy bridge i5s and those processors are still performing nicely for today's standards.
16 Gb of RAM is useless, even for future proofing it's pretty much useless. Getting a nice fast RAM kit is a good idea though.
I think you're looking at an overclocked Haswell processor with a single GPU, I'd go for maybe a GTX 780 or 780 Ti with that budget (though these cards are kind of overkill for 1080p gaming). It makes sense to get a decent 1080p monitor though, maybe a 120 or 144 Hz one.
This is something I put together in 5 minutes, unfortunately I'm not well acquainted with australian vendors. It's approximately a build like this I would get, except I would do more research in both vendors (find good deals) and parts. http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/gL6VmG
Stuff to consider is getting an i5 4670k and a cheaper Z87 motherboard instead of 4970k and Z97. It's cheaper to go to the Z87 route and then delid, however delidding can be scary.
I would also seriously consider looking at a good GTX 780, it might be good to get to drive a 144 Hz 1080p monitor. It's quite hard to ignore the price / performance ratio of the R9 290 though.
I would also definitely do more than 5 minutes of research for a good CPU cooler and case.
E: yeah I just don't like the gtx 760 / 770. I don't like these cards
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