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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 12 2014 18:39 GMT
#6861
You can make a system for a fraction of that cost that'll use the latest CPU socket and perform basically as well as the best hardware available for LoL.

The game's not graphically intensive - i reach 500fps or so without maxing my 770 with the game maxed aside from shadows - so a 750 can run fine. All you need is a CPU that can handle 1-2 threads well (even a Haswell pentium) and maybe nvidia GPU has fps advantage because cpu bound, but i have not tested LoL.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
July 12 2014 18:57 GMT
#6862
I have a B85M-G43 motherboard and I'm trying to run two U2713HMs. The website says:

1 x HDMI port, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 2560x1600 @60Hz, 24bpp/1920x1080 @60Hz, 36bpp
1 x DisplayPort, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 3840x2160 @60Hz, 24bpp


I'd like to run them at 5120x1440. Is that going to work with one using displayport and the other using HDMI? I don't really understand the numbers but it looks like I can do that at 60Hz with those two cables?
Bruzz
Profile Joined July 2014
Norway2 Posts
July 12 2014 18:58 GMT
#6863
I am stupid, tell me what to buy
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 12 2014 18:58 GMT
#6864
On July 13 2014 03:57 Durak wrote:
I have a B85M-G43 motherboard and I'm trying to run two U2713HMs. The website says:

Show nested quote +
1 x HDMI port, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 2560x1600 @60Hz, 24bpp/1920x1080 @60Hz, 36bpp
1 x DisplayPort, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 3840x2160 @60Hz, 24bpp


I'd like to run them at 5120x1440. Is that going to work with one using displayport and the other using HDMI? I don't really understand the numbers but it looks like I can do that at 60Hz with those two cables?


Yes you can run a monitor off each.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-12 19:08:48
July 12 2014 19:02 GMT
#6865
On July 13 2014 03:57 Durak wrote:
I have a B85M-G43 motherboard and I'm trying to run two U2713HMs. The website says:

Show nested quote +
1 x HDMI port, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 2560x1600 @60Hz, 24bpp/1920x1080 @60Hz, 36bpp
1 x DisplayPort, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 3840x2160 @60Hz, 24bpp


I'd like to run them at 5120x1440. Is that going to work with one using displayport and the other using HDMI? I don't really understand the numbers but it looks like I can do that at 60Hz with those two cables?

The monitor doesn't support full resolution over HDMI at 60 Hz. Most or many, especially older models, don't support those kinds of resolutions over HDMI yet.

edit: ref newegg customer reviews, tftcentral

Do you have a graphics card, or are you only running off of the onboard graphics?
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
July 12 2014 19:17 GMT
#6866
On July 13 2014 04:02 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 03:57 Durak wrote:
I have a B85M-G43 motherboard and I'm trying to run two U2713HMs. The website says:

1 x HDMI port, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 2560x1600 @60Hz, 24bpp/1920x1080 @60Hz, 36bpp
1 x DisplayPort, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096x2160 @24Hz, 24bpp/ 3840x2160 @60Hz, 24bpp


I'd like to run them at 5120x1440. Is that going to work with one using displayport and the other using HDMI? I don't really understand the numbers but it looks like I can do that at 60Hz with those two cables?

The monitor doesn't support full resolution over HDMI at 60 Hz. Most or many, especially older models, don't support those kinds of resolutions over HDMI yet.

edit: ref newegg customer reviews, tftcentral

Do you have a graphics card, or are you only running off of the onboard graphics?

Running off of the onboard graphics. The computer isn't going to be doing any gaming unless I later decide to buy a videocard to toss into it. I'm just wondering if it will be fine if I use an HDMI cable to connect it because the DVI doesn't support that high of a resolution. Curious what the side effects and potential problems are.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 12 2014 19:25 GMT
#6867
Being locked to 1080p, seemingly. Maybe you could try wrangling with a custom resolution and see where that gets you. Worst-case scenario, buy a cheapo graphics card to run DVI (dual-link, naturally) or DisplayPort off of.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-12 19:32:55
July 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#6868
Could I still use HDMI with my onboard graphics to get the higher resolution? If I'm not playing games, does it matter if it's not 60Hz?

Edit: Also, I would have the displayport monitor as my primary and the HDMI as the secondary.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#6869
I believe it's up to how the monitor handles things. Like I said, it's probably worth trying to muck around with custom resolution / refresh rate / timings to see if anything 1440p works over HDMI at any refresh rate.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 12 2014 19:53 GMT
#6870
On July 13 2014 02:56 Bruzz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
upgradeability would be my biggest concern.




What is your budget?

between 900 and 1300$

What is your monitor's native resolution?

want to use 1080p

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

League of Legends, max

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

facebook

Do you intend to overclock?

no

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

if it will be cheaper

Do you need an operating system?

yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

yes monitor, and a mechanical keyboard

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

none.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

I will be buying from Norway, no preference where I buy the parts.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

none.


This build is going to look pretty light on CPU/GPU, which can be readily upgraded if you decide you want to play stuff other than LoL at higher settings.

Intel Pentium G3420 - 499 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/intel-pentium-g3240/815213

MSI B85M-E45 - 549 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/msi-b85m-e45-socket-1150/794115

HyperX 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz - 349 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/hyperx-fury-ddr3-1600mhz-4gb-white/812837

Sapphire Radeon R7 250X - 849 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/sapphire-radeon-r7-250x-1gb-gddr5/808297

Crucial MX100 256GB - 879 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/crucial-mx100-ssd-256gb-25-7mm/817432

Lite-On DVD writer - 169 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/lite-on-dvdrw-writer-ihas324/783406

XFX Pro (Core) 450W - 425 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/xfx-proseries-core-edition-v2-450w-psu/657684

Cooler Master Silencio 352 - 495 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/cooler-master-silencio-352-mini-tower/783969

Samsung S24D390H 24" 1080p PLS - 1399 NOK
https://www.komplett.no/samsung-24-led-syncmaster-s24d390h/812181

Not sure what the deals on mechanical keyboards are like.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-12 22:07:14
July 12 2014 22:02 GMT
#6871
On July 13 2014 04:25 Myrmidon wrote:
Being locked to 1080p, seemingly. Maybe you could try wrangling with a custom resolution and see where that gets you. Worst-case scenario, buy a cheapo graphics card to run DVI (dual-link, naturally) or DisplayPort off of.


I have a videocard lying around and it has two DVI ports:

http://www.hisdigital.com/ca/product2-381.shtml

Are they both dual-link DVI? They look like dual-link DVI-I to me. Can I use that to get both monitors running at 1440p?

Edit: the output on the Mobo looks like DVI-D dual-link and the cable I was using is DVI-D dual-link. I don't understand this stuff at all anymore.
"- 1 x DVI-D port, supporting a maximum resolution of 1920x1200 @60Hz, 24bpp" Why the blunt is that the max res
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 12 2014 22:08 GMT
#6872
Motherboards don't have dual link and most video cards (except for the latest ones) typically only have one DVI that is dual link.

The DVI ports may have the pins but those aren't actually wired and are just there for compatibility sakes.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 01:42:32
July 12 2014 22:14 GMT
#6873
Well, the same videocard made by Sapphire says " 2 x Dual-Link DVI" on their webpage. Maybe it's the same for my HIS card?

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=567

Same with this Force card according to this review: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/force3d-radeon-hd-4870-512mb-dht-review,6.html

Edit: Plugged in the videocard and it seems to be working flawlessly. Both monitors are at 2560x1440 and 60Hz. That is such a relief.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
July 13 2014 02:21 GMT
#6874
Hi guys, have a few questions for you.

Building a new gaming PC, I was buying parts as they went on sale but kinda wanna finish it. Budget wise I'm not that limited, can spend some money and I want it to be "futureproof", but nothing crazy. I know i7 I bought is an overkill and it's still in the box in case there's a good deal on the new i5+motherboard combo, most likely will keep it though

So far I have 850W bronze modular PSU, i7-4790K, and a gigabyte z97 gaming 5 motherboard, can be found here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709

1. If you can suggest other parts it would be great, but I mainly need help decided on which ram to buy. This is on sale right now @ 2x 8gb for $142, but I don't know anything about RAM. Is this a good price/fit?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231486&Tpk=20-231-486

2. I would like to sell my old computer. core i7-920, 6gb ram, gtx 295, 1tb hd, 64gb SSD, new 750W psu, gtx 295. How much can I try to sell it for? I can also slap an r9 280 in it if you think it will be easier to sell

3. Also with PSUs, which one would it be wiser to keep, 750W gold rated or 850W modular, but bronze rated? both are here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371073

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371067

I plan on buying a high end video-card, at least GTX-770, or a second r9 280 if I can sell the one i have now.

Sorry for so many questions and thanks in advance
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 02:31:06
July 13 2014 02:30 GMT
#6875
I don't have + anymore so I can't filter your posts to see your questionnaire you filled out.

But if you already have the Antec High Current Gamer then you might as well keep it. But if you don't have it yet, you shouldn't be looking at either because there are a lot better units out there like the Rosewill Capstone M, XFX XTR, and EVGA Supernova G2, just to name a few.

1333MHz is slow for a high-end build, you should be looking at at least 1866MHz, if not 2133MHz.

And 2x8GB would be practically useless in gaming.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 04:19:41
July 13 2014 02:43 GMT
#6876
Thanks, here's the questionaire

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
$1500

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p, but I may upgrade laterr

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
New games, max settings

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
A little photoshop editing, music writing maybe

Do you intend to overclock?
yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
would like to have that option, but would prefer to start with a good single unit gpu

Do you need an operating system?
no

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no, not part of the budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
nope

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
newegg/amazon


I can return Antec PSU, it's still unopened. I got it for $60AR, thought it was a good deal;p
so for RAM I should look for 2133mhz 2x4gb?
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 05:57:35
July 13 2014 05:50 GMT
#6877
Looking to build a mid-high end PC that is good bang for the buck. Price wise I realize I'm slightly over the best value range. For 1920x1080 gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($41.71 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($118.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1002.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I can get the 4690k for $200 $217 (with tax) at a local Micro Center. Am I good to go?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 09:14:30
July 13 2014 09:12 GMT
#6878
On July 13 2014 14:50 Jonoman92 wrote:
Looking to build a mid-high end PC that is good bang for the buck. Price wise I realize I'm slightly over the best value range. For 1920x1080 gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($41.71 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($118.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1002.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I can get the 4690k for $200 $217 (with tax) at a local Micro Center. Am I good to go?


There are several r9 280's @~$200 AR on newegg (280x isn't better by a lot, i think less than 10% at similar clock speeds) so that makes value better if you feel like dealing with a rebate

any reason for that mobo in particular?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
July 13 2014 09:41 GMT
#6879
and if you don't wanna deal with a rebate i'll sell you my 1 month old 280 for $200 and give u some game keys no joke tho, I'm willing, because I feel like getting a gtx 770 instead, but idk how we can make this happen safely on the interwebz
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9109 Posts
July 13 2014 14:12 GMT
#6880
On July 13 2014 18:12 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 14:50 Jonoman92 wrote:
Looking to build a mid-high end PC that is good bang for the buck. Price wise I realize I'm slightly over the best value range. For 1920x1080 gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($41.71 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($118.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1002.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I can get the 4690k for $200 $217 (with tax) at a local Micro Center. Am I good to go?


There are several r9 280's @~$200 AR on newegg (280x isn't better by a lot, i think less than 10% at similar clock speeds) so that makes value better if you feel like dealing with a rebate

any reason for that mobo in particular?


No real reason for the mobo. Just grabbed the mobo/cooler from Myrmidon's post.


On July 05 2014 12:13 Myrmidon wrote:
It's maybe slightly better for overclocking on average and runs cooler. This means you could get a lower-end cooler or save some noise levels, probably.

To be honest, the motherboard you already had selected is pretty expensive anyway.

CPU / mobo / CPU cooler
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97g55sli
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/scythe-cpu-cooler-scmg4000

should be fine for overclocking.

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