EPTmy friend has i7-4770, mobo died. Should he get a H87, H81 or B85?
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
my friend has i7-4770, mobo died. Should he get a H87, H81 or B85? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
b85, i don't have a clue. It seems that you need h87 over h81 to run multiple GPU's, though (x8/x8 pci-e) http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/#ConsumerChipsets(Z87,H87,H81) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Any should be fine. Look at the particular board and the features needed: number of slots for PCIe and PCI and types, RAM slots, USB, SATA, networking, audio, etc. Also I would, kind of out of principle, not get some lowest-end board with really wimpy power delivery on the CPU that pretty much takes the most power out of anything in that socket (though it's still not much). i.e. probably not like $50; more like $75. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Craton
United States17258 Posts
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Incognoto
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skyR
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Few things: - I've looked at the builds, and I'd definitely like something high-end. Close to the Typical Professional build. The problem is, replicating that build ends up being more expensive for me, so I feel I'm not getting the best of my money. - I'd like solid cooling for the GPU and CPU (no watercooling). I really like the options given in the Typical Professional build, it's just about getting more value on my money on it in my situation, if that is even possible. - As a consequence, and because I'm ordering from Europe, I'm interested in knowing if there is a build out there, similar to the Typical Professional that will not cost me much more than it should. Perhaps replacing a component here or there would save me some money on the European side of things for the same performance (see price differences explained in retailer preferences). - I am somewhat (heavy emphasize on that word) open to buying the pieces on several websites to have them shipped and put the computer together. I do not feel very confident about it though, and I feel as though I would botch it. I know it's actually not THAT hard, but I just lack the confidence really. If it saves me a lot of money, why not, but I'd need heavy pointers specific to the pieces besides the videos shown in the OP. Here goes: What is your budget? I'm flexible. I've been working a lot, and I have good money coming. I'd like to not go too far over €2000 (~$2700), so let us say €2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100). What is your monitor's native resolution? Still indecisive on that, but it's very likely I'll be buying the Eizo FS2333, as Myrmidon recommended in the TL Monitor Thread. So it will be a new monitor for a new computer. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I'm currently playing FFXIV:ARR. I play a tiny bit of GW2, and I might get into Heroes of the Storm. I'd like a really high-end setup regarding games. I also play old PS1 games on ePSXe, but not relevant as it's not demanding. I definitely want everything on ultra to best settings. I'd like a really, really good performance. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? I work as a self-employed translator, and I use certain programs for this. They are called computer-assisted translation tools, and they can be fairly demanding depending on circumstances (big projects). It's very important for me to be able to run them smoothly. I also do some desktop publishing with Serif PagePlus X7. Nothing that goes as high as graphic design regarding performance, but again, I'd like something real good. Do you intend to overclock? I'm a little hesitant. It depends on the GPU. I could do with an overclocked R290 just to decrease cost over a 780 Ti. I'd still want something that wouldn't burn itself out, but as I read in the OP, that is not likely to happen if the OC is done right. Let us say that if OCing something would give me the same result as the next bigger thing while saving me a hundred or two, I'm open to it. I'd still like to hear all options, even the expensive ones. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes. I intend on getting Windows 7, unless you advise me otherwise? I currently use it on my laptop, and it's great. I sort of want to stay away from Windows 8. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll be buying a monitor, as previously mentioned (Eizo FS2333). It is not part of this particular budget. I'll be buying it separately, so please exclude the monitor from the ~€2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100) budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I've always used Intel and nVidia for most things. I do have preferences: CPU: I'd like to stick with Intel i7 4770K here. Unless you have suggestions of similar components on the AMD side? GPU: I'm open to both nVidia and AMD. Probably Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI, Sapphire? I'm willing to read up on more if you have others, like ATI perhaps. What country will you be buying your parts in? France. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I've always ordered my electronics from http://www.materiel.net/, a French website. They're pretty great, they ship really fast, and they let you buy parts to either put together yourself or have them put together for you. The down side is it's more expensive. For instance, I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. I'm not quite sure it's actually possible to go any lower, but if so, please do give me the options. I've heard of LDLC.com, another French (I believe?) website. I'm not a huge fan of it though, so to avoid if possible. Amazon works. This would imply that I'd have to build the computer myself, something I'm not confident with, as discussed earlier. Alternate, Mindfactory and Hardwareversand work too, but again, with reluctance about putting together the computer myself. I'm not aware of many European retailers aside from those. I feel like the options are pretty limited, as opposed to the US with both Amazon and Newegg that are pretty great. Thanks in advance guys! | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 25 2014 10:15 nosliw wrote: quick q： my friend has i7-4770, mobo died. Should he get a H87, H81 or B85? I have an i5 2500K and a GTX560 Ti in my current build. My current mobo (Z68-V) is on the way out. Options at my local PC store for this socket are: Intel DH77EB Asrock Z77 PRO3 Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3V/B75/2 x DDR3/1 Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H MB ASUS H61M-K/H61M-K/2 Anything I should know about any of these? I'm probably leaning towards the Asrock, but not from any serious preference. I'm just looking for something cheap and reliable that's compatible with the existing components. I don't intend to upgrade anything else for at least a couple more years. I don't plan to overclock. I just want it to give me less grief than the last board did... | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 27 2014 14:04 Spaylz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So, as you may have noticed, I've been lurking for a few days, asking questions here and there, and I'd like to go ahead and request a build. Few things: - I've looked at the builds, and I'd definitely like something high-end. Close to the Typical Professional build. The problem is, replicating that build ends up being more expensive for me, so I feel I'm not getting the best of my money. - I'd like solid cooling for the GPU and CPU (no watercooling). I really like the options given in the Typical Professional build, it's just about getting more value on my money on it in my situation, if that is even possible. - As a consequence, and because I'm ordering from Europe, I'm interested in knowing if there is a build out there, similar to the Typical Professional that will not cost me much more than it should. Perhaps replacing a component here or there would save me some money on the European side of things for the same performance (see price differences explained in retailer preferences). - I am somewhat (heavy emphasize on that word) open to buying the pieces on several websites to have them shipped and put the computer together. I do not feel very confident about it though, and I feel as though I would botch it. I know it's actually not THAT hard, but I just lack the confidence really. If it saves me a lot of money, why not, but I'd need heavy pointers specific to the pieces besides the videos shown in the OP. Here goes: What is your budget? I'm flexible. I've been working a lot, and I have good money coming. I'd like to not go too far over €2000 (~$2700), so let us say €2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100). What is your monitor's native resolution? Still indecisive on that, but it's very likely I'll be buying the Eizo FS2333, as Myrmidon recommended in the TL Monitor Thread. So it will be a new monitor for a new computer. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I'm currently playing FFXIV:ARR. I play a tiny bit of GW2, and I might get into Heroes of the Storm. I'd like a really high-end setup regarding games. I also play old PS1 games on ePSXe, but not relevant as it's not demanding. I definitely want everything on ultra to best settings. I'd like a really, really good performance. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? I work as a self-employed translator, and I use certain programs for this. They are called computer-assisted translation tools, and they can be fairly demanding depending on circumstances (big projects). It's very important for me to be able to run them smoothly. I also do some desktop publishing with Serif PagePlus X7. Nothing that goes as high as graphic design regarding performance, but again, I'd like something real good. Do you intend to overclock? I'm a little hesitant. It depends on the GPU. I could do with an overclocked R290 just to decrease cost over a 780 Ti. I'd still want something that wouldn't burn itself out, but as I read in the OP, that is not likely to happen if the OC is done right. Let us say that if OCing something would give me the same result as the next bigger thing while saving me a hundred or two, I'm open to it. I'd still like to hear all options, even the expensive ones. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes. I intend on getting Windows 7, unless you advise me otherwise? I currently use it on my laptop, and it's great. I sort of want to stay away from Windows 8. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll be buying a monitor, as previously mentioned (Eizo FS2333). It is not part of this particular budget. I'll be buying it separately, so please exclude the monitor from the ~€2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100) budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I've always used Intel and nVidia for most things. I do have preferences: CPU: I'd like to stick with Intel i7 4770K here. Unless you have suggestions of similar components on the AMD side? GPU: I'm open to both nVidia and AMD. Probably Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI, Sapphire? I'm willing to read up on more if you have others, like ATI perhaps. What country will you be buying your parts in? France. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I've always ordered my electronics from http://www.materiel.net/, a French website. They're pretty great, they ship really fast, and they let you buy parts to either put together yourself or have them put together for you. The down side is it's more expensive. For instance, I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. I'm not quite sure it's actually possible to go any lower, but if so, please do give me the options. I've heard of LDLC.com, another French (I believe?) website. I'm not a huge fan of it though, so to avoid if possible. Amazon works. This would imply that I'd have to build the computer myself, something I'm not confident with, as discussed earlier. Alternate, Mindfactory and Hardwareversand work too, but again, with reluctance about putting together the computer myself. I'm not aware of many European retailers aside from those. I feel like the options are pretty limited, as opposed to the US with both Amazon and Newegg that are pretty great. Thanks in advance guys! You can change the Corsair AX to a Superflower Leadex Gold. Just as good if not better for a lot less, Europe is lucky to have Super Flower. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 27 2014 14:39 Belisarius wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Similar question to this; + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2014 10:15 nosliw wrote: quick q： my friend has i7-4770, mobo died. Should he get a H87, H81 or B85? I have an i5 2500K and a GTX560 Ti in my current build. My current mobo (Z68-V) is on the way out. Options at my local PC store for this socket are: Intel DH77EB Asrock Z77 PRO3 Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3V/B75/2 x DDR3/1 Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H MB ASUS H61M-K/H61M-K/2 Anything I should know about any of these? I'm probably leaning towards the Asrock, but not from any serious preference. I'm just looking for something cheap and reliable that's compatible with the existing components. I don't intend to upgrade anything else for at least a couple more years. I don't plan to overclock. I just want it to give me less grief than the last board did... If you're not overclocking than just get the least expensive board (H61, B75, H77) that suits your connection needs. No point in wasting money on a Z board if you are not overclocking. What's wrong with your P8Z68-V? It's still under warranty so have you tried RMA'ing it? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
On March 27 2014 15:10 skyR wrote: If you're not overclocking than just get the least expensive board (H61, B75, H77) that suits your connection needs. No point in wasting money on a Z board if you are not overclocking. What's wrong with your P8Z68-V? It's still under warranty so have you tried RMA'ing it? They're actually all the same price, except the H61 which is cheaper but doesn't appear to have USB 3.0, among other things. If there's nothing obviously wrong with the Z77 I'll just get that one. Thanks. As to the old board, it's been randomly unstable for a while. I've replaced/loan-tested every component except the cpu and the mobo itself. It's also been progressively losing RAM slots, no longer emits beep codes, and has lost the memory diagnostic LED. All up, I'm pretty confident it's the board and not the CPU, but I concede I may be wrong. Either way I think I want a new board. It is still under warranty, but the PC shop wants nothing to do with it outside the 1st year, so I would have to send it to ASUS directly. Doing that, I'm effectively without a real PC for a month+, and at that point I'm happy to just fork over the $80 and be back up in a few days. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On March 27 2014 14:04 Spaylz wrote: [...] I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. [...] For the overall price of a PC, you have to pretty much compare the price as 1:1, USD to EUR. If you translate 1:1, some parts are cheaper than that in the US and some in EU. Don't use the exchange rate that you'll see in Google Search. I guess the main thing that happens is that the guys in the US have to pay taxes separately because they are different depending on where they are living exactly, but it's also just straight up cheaper than shown in the USD/EUR exchange rates. | ||
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Warheart
Italy25 Posts
my GF's brother wants to build a desktop pc on a small budget just to play FTP stuff and games not very demanding on CPU and graphics card, and then maybe upgrade it later, any help would be much appreciated!  What is your budget? around 350 euro What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 already have it, no need to include it in the budget What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? free to play - old school games; low graphic settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? use it as internet station/play films on tv Do you intend to overclock? not any time soon Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no, we'll buy some inexpensive wired mouse and keyboard at the moment If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. any suggestion in welcome and appreciated! What country will you be buying your parts in? Italy/Europe If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. we intended to buy the parts on amazon | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On March 27 2014 15:05 skyR wrote: You can change the Corsair AX to a Superflower Leadex Gold. Just as good if not better for a lot less, Europe is lucky to have Super Flower. The 750W one? I sort of suspected Europe was more expensive, but yeah, I didn't expect to pay the same ratio on the dollar per euro. That's pretty depressing. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Do you intend to overclock? I'm a little hesitant. It depends on the GPU. I could do with an overclocked R290 just to decrease cost over a 780 Ti. I'd still want something that wouldn't burn itself out, but as I read in the OP, that is not likely to happen if the OC is done right. Let us say that if OCing something would give me the same result as the next bigger thing while saving me a hundred or two, I'm open to it. I'd still like to hear all options, even the expensive ones. Normally if you were into overclocking you would OC a GPU regardless, as all of them (aside from 760, 770) pretty much have a decent amount of headroom and you can already tweak them without paying extra, so OC vs money is a lot about CPU (which requires slightly more expensive CPU model, more expensive mobo as well as aftermarket cooling and a bit more knowledge) | ||
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Sophus
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40 pages ago you helped me deciding for a solid SC2-build for around 800 Euro. This week I put everything together and I am more than satisfied. Thanks again especially to Cyro, Ropid and Incognoto. I got: Intel Core i5 4670K 4x 3.40GHz So.1150 BOX for 193 € @amazon Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. A for 31 € @conrad Gigabyte Z87X-D3H Intel Z87 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail 91 € @cyberport/gigabyte GigaByte GV-N660OC-2GD (2048MB GDDR5) for 119 € @alternate/gigabyte 8GB G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit for 52 € @alternate 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze for 63 € @mindfactory 250GB Samsung 840 Evo Series 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s TLC Toggle (MZ-7TE250BW) for 95 € @cyberport BitFenix Merc alpha Midi Tower for 28 € @hardwareversand Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD-RW SATA 1.5Gb/s intern black Bulk for 13 € @mindfactory I paid less than 700 €. I am pretty proud about the prices I found. It was hard work for at least 6 weeks, lurking around online shops and checking for lower prices and discounts daily. I don't recommend doing so cause it was pretty time consuming, but I want to share a few things I've learned. Mostly it applies for european and especially german customers. I never paid shipping fees. I registered for the newsletters of the shops (with temporary mailadresses). Most of them granted coupons for free shipping or 5€-coupons in their fist mail. Or use midnightshopping at mindfactory. (Mindfactory had the lowest prices most of the time, except for RAM, SSD). ASUS and Gigabyte often do "cashback"-promotions. I got back 20% of the price I paid for mainboard and graphics card. Right now its online again for some Gigabyte-Mainboards at least til Monday for costumers from ger and at. Samsung compensated my purchase of the SSD (120 € - 25€ coupon) with a 100€ discount on bookings via a travelingsite, which I used. TLDR; It is worth comparing prices (e.g. in germany idealo.de), googling for recent coupons for online shops and promotional offers / cashback promotions (sometimes communitybased sites like mydealz.de helped me finding special offers). --- Btw. I was pretty surprised by the quality of the cheap bitfenix case. It worked out pretty well. Thx, Incognoto. Next, I want to look into overclocking of processor and RAM, can someone recommend a beginners guide? It looks too easy in the Gigabyte-UEFI but I don't want to make mistakes. edit: fixed broken link | ||
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