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What stuff does he have atm?
Stock i7 is only good if you want to pay extra for better than i5 4670 performance in some loads (but only a fraction of cpu bound loads) but really don't want to oc. If CPU performance is important to you, then learning to OC an i5 instead of often a better idea, because that will also speed up sc2 and WoW for example which are CPU bound yet do not benefit from hyperthreading (the main feature of i7 over i5)
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GTX 650 Ti Boost for under $140 if you can find stock. Otherwise GTX 750, R7 260x, or GTX 750 Ti.
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On March 27 2014 21:18 Spaylz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2014 15:05 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 14:04 Spaylz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So, as you may have noticed, I've been lurking for a few days, asking questions here and there, and I'd like to go ahead and request a build. Few things: - I've looked at the builds, and I'd definitely like something high-end. Close to the Typical Professional build. The problem is, replicating that build ends up being more expensive for me, so I feel I'm not getting the best of my money. - I'd like solid cooling for the GPU and CPU (no watercooling). I really like the options given in the Typical Professional build, it's just about getting more value on my money on it in my situation, if that is even possible. - As a consequence, and because I'm ordering from Europe, I'm interested in knowing if there is a build out there, similar to the Typical Professional that will not cost me much more than it should. Perhaps replacing a component here or there would save me some money on the European side of things for the same performance (see price differences explained in retailer preferences). - I am somewhat (heavy emphasize on that word) open to buying the pieces on several websites to have them shipped and put the computer together. I do not feel very confident about it though, and I feel as though I would botch it. I know it's actually not THAT hard, but I just lack the confidence really. If it saves me a lot of money, why not, but I'd need heavy pointers specific to the pieces besides the videos shown in the OP. Here goes: What is your budget?I'm flexible. I've been working a lot, and I have good money coming. I'd like to not go too far over €2000 (~$2700), so let us say €2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100). What is your monitor's native resolution?Still indecisive on that, but it's very likely I'll be buying the Eizo FS2333, as Myrmidon recommended in the TL Monitor Thread. So it will be a new monitor for a new computer. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?I'm currently playing FFXIV:ARR. I play a tiny bit of GW2, and I might get into Heroes of the Storm. I'd like a really high-end setup regarding games. I also play old PS1 games on ePSXe, but not relevant as it's not demanding. I definitely want everything on ultra to best settings. I'd like a really, really good performance. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?I work as a self-employed translator, and I use certain programs for this. They are called computer-assisted translation tools, and they can be fairly demanding depending on circumstances (big projects). It's very important for me to be able to run them smoothly. I also do some desktop publishing with Serif PagePlus X7. Nothing that goes as high as graphic design regarding performance, but again, I'd like something real good. Do you intend to overclock?I'm a little hesitant. It depends on the GPU. I could do with an overclocked R290 just to decrease cost over a 780 Ti. I'd still want something that wouldn't burn itself out, but as I read in the OP, that is not likely to happen if the OC is done right. Let us say that if OCing something would give me the same result as the next bigger thing while saving me a hundred or two, I'm open to it. I'd still like to hear all options, even the expensive ones. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?Yes. I intend on getting Windows 7, unless you advise me otherwise? I currently use it on my laptop, and it's great. I sort of want to stay away from Windows 8. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?I'll be buying a monitor, as previously mentioned (Eizo FS2333). It is not part of this particular budget. I'll be buying it separately, so please exclude the monitor from the ~€2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100) budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.I've always used Intel and nVidia for most things. I do have preferences: CPU: I'd like to stick with Intel i7 4770K here. Unless you have suggestions of similar components on the AMD side? GPU: I'm open to both nVidia and AMD. Probably Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI, Sapphire? I'm willing to read up on more if you have others, like ATI perhaps. What country will you be buying your parts in?France. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I've always ordered my electronics from http://www.materiel.net/, a French website. They're pretty great, they ship really fast, and they let you buy parts to either put together yourself or have them put together for you. The down side is it's more expensive. For instance, I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. I'm not quite sure it's actually possible to go any lower, but if so, please do give me the options. I've heard of LDLC.com, another French (I believe?) website. I'm not a huge fan of it though, so to avoid if possible. Amazon works. This would imply that I'd have to build the computer myself, something I'm not confident with, as discussed earlier. Alternate, Mindfactory and Hardwareversand work too, but again, with reluctance about putting together the computer myself. I'm not aware of many European retailers aside from those. I feel like the options are pretty limited, as opposed to the US with both Amazon and Newegg that are pretty great. Thanks in advance guys! You can change the Corsair AX to a Superflower Leadex Gold. Just as good if not better for a lot less, Europe is lucky to have Super Flower. The 750W one? I sort of suspected Europe was more expensive, but yeah, I didn't expect to pay the same ratio on the dollar per euro. That's pretty depressing.
You can get the 650w variant since you mentioned you won't be doing SLI.
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On March 28 2014 02:35 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 21:18 Spaylz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2014 15:05 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 14:04 Spaylz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So, as you may have noticed, I've been lurking for a few days, asking questions here and there, and I'd like to go ahead and request a build. Few things: - I've looked at the builds, and I'd definitely like something high-end. Close to the Typical Professional build. The problem is, replicating that build ends up being more expensive for me, so I feel I'm not getting the best of my money. - I'd like solid cooling for the GPU and CPU (no watercooling). I really like the options given in the Typical Professional build, it's just about getting more value on my money on it in my situation, if that is even possible. - As a consequence, and because I'm ordering from Europe, I'm interested in knowing if there is a build out there, similar to the Typical Professional that will not cost me much more than it should. Perhaps replacing a component here or there would save me some money on the European side of things for the same performance (see price differences explained in retailer preferences). - I am somewhat (heavy emphasize on that word) open to buying the pieces on several websites to have them shipped and put the computer together. I do not feel very confident about it though, and I feel as though I would botch it. I know it's actually not THAT hard, but I just lack the confidence really. If it saves me a lot of money, why not, but I'd need heavy pointers specific to the pieces besides the videos shown in the OP. Here goes: What is your budget?I'm flexible. I've been working a lot, and I have good money coming. I'd like to not go too far over €2000 (~$2700), so let us say €2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100). What is your monitor's native resolution?Still indecisive on that, but it's very likely I'll be buying the Eizo FS2333, as Myrmidon recommended in the TL Monitor Thread. So it will be a new monitor for a new computer. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?I'm currently playing FFXIV:ARR. I play a tiny bit of GW2, and I might get into Heroes of the Storm. I'd like a really high-end setup regarding games. I also play old PS1 games on ePSXe, but not relevant as it's not demanding. I definitely want everything on ultra to best settings. I'd like a really, really good performance. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?I work as a self-employed translator, and I use certain programs for this. They are called computer-assisted translation tools, and they can be fairly demanding depending on circumstances (big projects). It's very important for me to be able to run them smoothly. I also do some desktop publishing with Serif PagePlus X7. Nothing that goes as high as graphic design regarding performance, but again, I'd like something real good. Do you intend to overclock?I'm a little hesitant. It depends on the GPU. I could do with an overclocked R290 just to decrease cost over a 780 Ti. I'd still want something that wouldn't burn itself out, but as I read in the OP, that is not likely to happen if the OC is done right. Let us say that if OCing something would give me the same result as the next bigger thing while saving me a hundred or two, I'm open to it. I'd still like to hear all options, even the expensive ones. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?Yes. I intend on getting Windows 7, unless you advise me otherwise? I currently use it on my laptop, and it's great. I sort of want to stay away from Windows 8. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?I'll be buying a monitor, as previously mentioned (Eizo FS2333). It is not part of this particular budget. I'll be buying it separately, so please exclude the monitor from the ~€2000-€2300 ($2700-$3100) budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.I've always used Intel and nVidia for most things. I do have preferences: CPU: I'd like to stick with Intel i7 4770K here. Unless you have suggestions of similar components on the AMD side? GPU: I'm open to both nVidia and AMD. Probably Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI, Sapphire? I'm willing to read up on more if you have others, like ATI perhaps. What country will you be buying your parts in?France. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I've always ordered my electronics from http://www.materiel.net/, a French website. They're pretty great, they ship really fast, and they let you buy parts to either put together yourself or have them put together for you. The down side is it's more expensive. For instance, I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. I'm not quite sure it's actually possible to go any lower, but if so, please do give me the options. I've heard of LDLC.com, another French (I believe?) website. I'm not a huge fan of it though, so to avoid if possible. Amazon works. This would imply that I'd have to build the computer myself, something I'm not confident with, as discussed earlier. Alternate, Mindfactory and Hardwareversand work too, but again, with reluctance about putting together the computer myself. I'm not aware of many European retailers aside from those. I feel like the options are pretty limited, as opposed to the US with both Amazon and Newegg that are pretty great. Thanks in advance guys! You can change the Corsair AX to a Superflower Leadex Gold. Just as good if not better for a lot less, Europe is lucky to have Super Flower. The 750W one? I sort of suspected Europe was more expensive, but yeah, I didn't expect to pay the same ratio on the dollar per euro. That's pretty depressing. You can get the 650w variant since you mentioned you won't be doing SLI.
650w for a single gpu? I'd imagine 550 to be fine for 4770k+290/780 with a bit of an overclock - you're talking what 300 watts for the gpu? Peak load with 100% cpu load encoding while maxing GPU would probably be like 75-85% on a 550w unit i'd think
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Leadex Gold isn't offered in 550w variant. If he wants non-modular than Super Flower Golden Green HX 550w is fine too.
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On March 28 2014 02:30 Cyro wrote:What stuff does he have atm? Stock i7 is only good if you want to pay extra for better than i5 4670 performance in some loads (but only a fraction of cpu bound loads) but really don't want to oc. If CPU performance is important to you, then learning to OC an i5 instead of often a better idea, because that will also speed up sc2 and WoW for example which are CPU bound yet do not benefit from hyperthreading (the main feature of i7 over i5)
He gets employee pricing on CPU, so an i7 probably only cost him $220. He is saving monitor, HDD, cd/dvd, all peripherials. He also plays DOTA2, some FPS games. He spends almost all day on computer (work and play)
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On March 28 2014 02:42 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 02:30 Cyro wrote:What stuff does he have atm? Stock i7 is only good if you want to pay extra for better than i5 4670 performance in some loads (but only a fraction of cpu bound loads) but really don't want to oc. If CPU performance is important to you, then learning to OC an i5 instead of often a better idea, because that will also speed up sc2 and WoW for example which are CPU bound yet do not benefit from hyperthreading (the main feature of i7 over i5) He gets employee pricing on CPU, so an i7 probably only cost him $220. He is saving monitor, HDD, cd/dvd, all peripherials. He also plays DOTA2, some FPS games. He spends almost all day on computer (work and play)
Ok, what about current cpu/gpu? Just wondering on upgrade margins (if not salvageable)
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not sure about the specifics, but I know he can't play SC2 1v1 battle late game with current setup, so probably good for parents to browse web and watch netflix, but not salvageable for him.
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On March 28 2014 03:01 nosliw wrote:
not sure about the specifics, but I know he can't play SC2 1v1 battle late game with current setup, so probably good for parents to browse web and watch netflix, but not salvageable for him.
Late game 1v1 doesn't run optimally for anyone though, you could use that to describe a low model core 2 duo, or an i5 3570, or fx8320
unless it's really really bad, like 10fps regularly
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haha true, it's like a 5yr old pentium duo. I'll see if I can find a deal on GTX760 for ~200 USD, that would complete his budget and provide more power if he wanted to play new games.
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On March 28 2014 02:39 skyR wrote:
Leadex Gold isn't offered in 550w variant. If he wants non-modular than Super Flower Golden Green HX 550w is fine too.
550w is fine with the 780 Ti OC Windforce 3GB? On the website I'm ordering it from, it says the manufacturer recommends 600w. Though I'm guessing it's close enough?
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Yes, Golden Green 550w is fine. Manufacturer recommendations are conservative to account for the shitty power supplies.
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On March 28 2014 05:37 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 02:39 skyR wrote:
Leadex Gold isn't offered in 550w variant. If he wants non-modular than Super Flower Golden Green HX 550w is fine too. 550w is fine with the 780 Ti OC Windforce 3GB? On the website I'm ordering it from, it says the manufacturer recommends 600w. Though I'm guessing it's close enough?
NVIDIA and AMD mention much too high numbers because of crappy PSUs. There's PSUs sold as 550W that are weaker than other 450W PSUs for example.
+ Show Spoiler +There's a bunch of things that can happen which makes NVIDIA and AMD mention much too high numbers for the PSU that's required.
Some PSU manufacturers take what the PSU can supply for 12V and use something close to that as the Watts number they sell the PSU at. Others add up the 3.3V and 5V and 12V together and use the sum. The 3.3V and 5V are pointless to know with regards to CPU and GPU as both of those use the 12V.
Another thing is that PSUs can have multiple "rails" of 12V. When the GPU gets most of its power out of the power cables wired into one of those rails, that one rail has to be strong enough for the GPU. What the PSU can do as a whole is not important.
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To add, the TDP of the 780ti is 250w. You can only exceed this by 10% or so unless you're doing stuff like modding the bios which voids your warranty.
That leaves 300w for CPU and rest of system which just isn't really an issue with Haswell - even ~275w left for them with gpu power limit maxed out, it's enough room.
the only case i'd reccomend >550w for a single gpu is for someone more extreme who's bios modding and doing stuff like running 1.4vcore+ on cpu, which you can't do on Haswell without a delidded cpu if you want acceptable temperatures for those voltages so basically more extreme stuff
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On March 27 2014 16:53 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 14:04 Spaylz wrote:
[...] I tried to replicate the Typical Professional setup, which is estimated at $2000, and it comes out at €2100 (~$2800). Granted, it's Europe, VAT is 19% in France, the prices are different, and so on. [...] For the overall price of a PC, you have to pretty much compare the price as 1:1, USD to EUR. If you translate 1:1, some parts are cheaper than that in the US and some in EU. Don't use the exchange rate that you'll see in Google Search. I guess the main thing that happens is that the guys in the US have to pay taxes separately because they are different depending on where they are living exactly, but it's also just straight up cheaper than shown in the USD/EUR exchange rates.
Kind of.
States collect the sales tax, but states do not have authority to collect from businesses outside of their state. Currently it tends to work such that an online operation with a presence in your state triggers sales tax (i.e. a warehouse), while those in other states do not pay sales tax. Example: if I buy from Newegg which has warehouses / offices in California, New Jersey, and Tennessee and I live in one of those three states, then I pay sales tax; if I live in another state, I do not.
The average sales tax plus local surtax (i.e. tax from towns / cities) is ~9.6%, ranging from 0% to 12%. State sales tax alone ranges from 0 to 6.5%.
The short answer is that Americans often don't pay much if any tax on online purchases.
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Thinking about replacing the NZXT H440 from the setup with a Corsair Carbide 500R. Thoughts?
I like the H440, but the Corsair also really appeals to me, plus the excellent reputation of the brand. Just curious as to there'd be any actual differences other than sheer preference. Assuming the build I mentioned, with everything from Typical Profession except the GC is the 780Ti Windforce.
From what I can tell, not much. The H440 looks wider. They have the same amount of fans. Though the H440 has more USB ports. Hmm..
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500R is a much more wide-open design so more noise escaping from internal components. It's not one of Corsair's earliest cases (which are already EOL), but it's somewhere in the middle, definitely not new. That said, it's not like they've been doing cases all that long; 500R is new and expensive enough to have the usual modern conveniences. I think 400R and 500R should be good, but I'm not really convinced that they have that much appeal without some price drops. The cooling / acoustic performance is mediocre for the price, and that price range is competitive. It's one of a lot of decent options.
There's the recently announced but currently unavailable 450D, not to mention Fractal Design's Define R4 / Arc Midi R2, some of Nanoxia's lineup, NZXT Phantom 530 / Source 530, Antec P280 / 1100, and so on.
edit: in terms of actual performance, no, not really, other than possibly minor clock speed differences based on temperatures based on what the GPU's dynamically doing or what you're able to set on the CPU.
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On March 28 2014 10:47 Myrmidon wrote:
500R is a much more wide-open design so more noise escaping from internal components. It's not one of Corsair's earliest cases (which are already EOL), but it's somewhere in the middle, definitely not new. That said, it's not like they've been doing cases all that long; 500R is new and expensive enough to have the usual modern conveniences. I think 400R and 500R should be good, but I'm not really convinced that they have that much appeal without some price drops. The cooling / acoustic performance is mediocre for the price, and that price range is competitive. It's one of a lot of decent options.
There's the recently announced but currently unavailable 450D, not to mention Fractal Design's Define R4 / Arc Midi R2, some of Nanoxia's lineup, NZXT Phantom 530 / Source 530, Antec P280 / 1100, and so on.
edit: in terms of actual performance, no, not really, other than possibly minor clock speed differences based on temperatures based on what the GPU's dynamically doing or what you're able to set on the CPU.
The 450D is actually available on the website I'm ordering from. It's in French, so be warned, but still.
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I'm nuts for airflow so getting a corsair air 540 (they have 1x 140mm rear, 2x 140mm top, 3x 120mm front - as well as being not really big around the fan slots/components so more directed airflow, without PSU, HDD's, wires etc blocking any)
Great case if you want one. Little focus on quietness though i hear (lol) and it's quite fat. In terms of actual performance it's probably irrelevant to most people - as long as you have a decent setup (1-2 intakes and exhausts, not completely blocked) then you'll do ok unless you're running say multiple 780's/290's, but something like 5-10c off load cpu+gpu temps between an "amazing" airflow setup and an "ok" one is worth to me - depends what kind of case you want.
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