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On March 31 2014 13:00 KingGreasy wrote:
Thanks I'll probably just go for it. If I have to play on low that's fine anything more is just extra gravy for me. I won't have high expectations for a non-native game. I've read that Wings of Liberty runs well and this is just an expansion. It seems that Heart of the Swarm might be more of a hassle to install but I'll manage. At least I'll have a graphics card for when Tropico 5 comes out.
Back in the day people bought 460's for maxing sc2. 750ti is better than gtx480 - blizzard shot for midrange to max game at launch (decent dual core cpu, midrange gpu) and not multiple high end gpu's, so it's not really too hard
Low settings will probably be cpu limited in fights with a 4770k and hd4600 lol
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On March 31 2014 09:27 Myrmidon wrote:
The motherboard doesn't indicate what the graphics you have. The graphics is integrated in the CPU die. (specifying the CPU or the integrated graphics model number would be sufficient)
Also, normally having Twitch open shouldn't cause stutters unless it's network-related or possibly you're already using all the cycles on your CPU, both of which mostly wouldn't be helped by getting a new graphics card.
Maybe you should just buy a graphics card when it is known what's needed for Witcher 3.
You are right; I'm currently at work, so I don't know the exact details of my CPU/integrated graphics chip, but I will check it.
But do I understand graphics cards the wrong way? I thought they are taking over most of the "calculations", the CPU has to do now, freeing it for other services. So I thought, that it IMHO stutters, because the CPU is already on it's limit and has to do other processes and so can't keep up with the graphics!?
Would be my go to explanation for my "troubles"; which bothers me right now, so I don't want to wait until I get specifications for a future game 
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Integrated graphics are largely seperate from the CPU. You can think of them mostly as an independant CPU and GPU that happen to be on the same chip and share some resources as opposed to one taking over for the other
you'd have a dedicated GPU to run instead of the integrated one usually as they can have much higher chip area, their own board with power delivery and GDDR5 RAM, etc. The purpose of that is mostly to just have more stuff dedicated to graphics instead of the little iGPU though, not really to take load off of CPU resources that are being used so that they could be better used
sorry if this is confusing wording 
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No "confusing wording" here I am actually a programmer with a degree in computer science, so I understand what you want to tell me 
But because I never bothered to get into PC-hardware I'm quite "out" there. Always confusing for some friend, when they ask me about which computer they should buy and I have no clue what's "good" at the moment
So what could be the problem then? As I said, if I leave a stream open and try to play some games (i.e. "high end graphics usage" SuperMeatBoy...), it stutters. If I turn the stream off, everything is ok.
Would still like a graphics card for my eyes but what should I check out for that problem?
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Enable/disable hardware acceleration on Flash player, maybe look at gpu clock speeds, i think gpu-z can show you those
what CPU is it?
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On March 31 2014 17:14 Cyro wrote:
Enable/disable hardware acceleration on Flash player, maybe look at gpu clock speeds, i think gpu-z can show you those
what CPU is it?
Hm, can try this ...
Was still at work with the last post
My CPU is an AMD A6 5400K Dual-Core
The graphics chip is an AMD Radeon 7540D
GPU-Z says "768 MHz" for the max GPU-Clock, the sensors show ~610 MHz Core Clock and ~800 MHz Memory Clock. This is while I have a twitch-stream running. If I stop it, the Core Clock drops to ~300 MHz.
So personally I think it's quite high for 768 max... but maybe you can see more
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There was a problem with some GPU's lowering clock speeds etc with flash player, even if they were supposed to be higher for running a game, wasn't sure if it affected amd apu's
if hardware acceleration off for flash player does not fix, i'm not really sure what to suggest
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On April 01 2014 03:15 Geisterkarle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 17:14 Cyro wrote:
Enable/disable hardware acceleration on Flash player, maybe look at gpu clock speeds, i think gpu-z can show you those
what CPU is it? Hm, can try this ... Was still at work with the last post My CPU is an AMD A6 5400K Dual-Core The graphics chip is an AMD Radeon 7540D GPU-Z says "768 MHz" for the max GPU-Clock, the sensors show ~610 MHz Core Clock and ~800 MHz Memory Clock. This is while I have a twitch-stream running. If I stop it, the Core Clock drops to ~300 MHz. So personally I think it's quite high for 768 max... but maybe you can see more
If toggling hardware acceleration doesn't fix it... Your cpu only has one module, similar to one core with ht, in that some loads cannot be run in parallel. It's possible that the decoding of the video could be using a high amount of resources especially if it's at a higher resolution.
Edit: assuming your cpu load is ~10% or higher when you're watching the video only.
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Case: Case Labs Mecury S3
Mobo: Gigabyt3eZ87N-WIFI
CPU: Intel i7 4770k
GPU: Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX 780
RAM: 16 gigs Corsair Vengeance
SSD: 128 gig Corsair Neutron
PSU: Corsair RM750 with Individually Sleeved Cables
Cooling: Corsair H110 All-in-one water-cooling
Can anyone help me give me a price on how much I should offer for this system? It is 3 month old and I was considering buying it for gaming.
I tried googling every individual part but there seem to be multiple things that pop up on google (like GPU I don't know which GTX780 this one is)
Can someone PM me a price or reply to this thread
Thanks alot TL !
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Around $1600 or higher depending on the specific models of the various components like memory, video card, etc.
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On April 02 2014 00:42 lantz wrote:
Case: Case Labs Mecury S3
Mobo: Gigabyt3eZ87N-WIFI
CPU: Intel i7 4770k
GPU: Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX 780
RAM: 16 gigs Corsair Vengeance
SSD: 128 gig Corsair Neutron
PSU: Corsair RM750 with Individually Sleeved Cables
Cooling: Corsair H110 All-in-one water-cooling
Can anyone help me give me a price on how much I should offer for this system? It is 3 month old and I was considering buying it for gaming.
I tried googling every individual part but there seem to be multiple things that pop up on google (like GPU I don't know which GTX780 this one is)
Can someone PM me a price or reply to this thread
Thanks alot TL !
Not really clear which mobo that is, also there will be money sunk into case, i7 over i5, PSU, maybe cooling that you might not want. Kinda need to know GPU model, too. A reference cooler 780 would have less value than some of the aftermarkets
Oh wait, that's the actual mobo model number. It's mini-itx and i've never heard of it before which is surprising
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On April 02 2014 00:42 lantz wrote:
Case: Case Labs Mecury S3
Mobo: Gigabyt3eZ87N-WIFI
CPU: Intel i7 4770k
GPU: Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX 780
RAM: 16 gigs Corsair Vengeance
SSD: 128 gig Corsair Neutron
PSU: Corsair RM750 with Individually Sleeved Cables
Cooling: Corsair H110 All-in-one water-cooling
Can anyone help me give me a price on how much I should offer for this system? It is 3 month old and I was considering buying it for gaming.
I tried googling every individual part but there seem to be multiple things that pop up on google (like GPU I don't know which GTX780 this one is)
Can someone PM me a price or reply to this thread
Thanks alot TL !
Here is an example build, different (but comparable mobo - bigger size, better vrm solution probably, doesn't really matter, maybe some different features)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.A. 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $1159.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-01 12:24 EDT-0400)
$1160 before case and operating system - oh, it's i5 instead of i7 too, but it is really hard to justify 4770k for a gaming build, because hyperthreading only helps in situations that are somewhat niche for gaming, is better to put budget elsewhere 99% of the time
It's not strictly better, but it's different and it's what i would do - as opposed to paying $1.6k+ like skyR said
Good 650w PSU is very overkill for any single GPU. Only listed that because 450 can be a little low with cpu + high end GPU overclocking (it'd run but you'd exceed 80% psu load on peaks), a PSU will probably be kept through multiple builds, and 650 was same price as 550
so changes:
8gb RAM, can throw in another 8 for $80 if needed, but it's wasted money if not utilized
i5 instead of i7, if you really want to allocate budget there, that's like $100, but i really would not for a gaming build as it hardly does anything in the few games that it helps
250gb ssd instead of 120 - better capacity to dollar ratio, 250gb is affordable these days, less need for secondary storage
Different PSU, not worse aside from cables
Different mobo (atx, not little mini board)
Budget for case left open, i think that caselabs stuff gets expensive for aesthetic reasons etc?
Saved money on CPU cooling, technically worse but if you're an enthusiast overclocker and understand the tech well enough to get a difference out of the two, you probably wouldn't be asking this stuff here and it's a large price difference, also i5 runs about 10c cooler than i7 so it's less of a worry in the first place
That GPU model seemed cheap. Not sure if there's something wrong with it cause it was cheaper than the others, but it's aftermarket ~msi gaming edition i think
edit: Yea that case is bloody expensive, $200 before you start adding stuff to it.
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Thank you, I really appreciate the responses.
I wish there was a Repping mechanism on TL so I can rep u guys
I will offer 1300$
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A GTX 780 TF for $450....
q_q
Henceforth, Americans have no more right to complain about expensive GPUs!
Edit: OK, a few questions.
Sometimes my rig does weird shit. I'm wondering if it's the motherboard.
Sometimes, when I turn on the computer, the USB mouse doesn't respond at all. So I have to un-plug and re-plug once, sometimes twice, to get it to respond. No problem from the USB keyboard.
Just now, I decided to take out my GPU to take out the dust. In the mean time, I power up the rig using the integrated graphics. Now, I feel like playing some SC2. I use a usb wifi thing for internet atm. The really freaky thing is that everything works fine, until I run SC2. when I run sc2, my connection slows down tremendously, even after restart. anyway, I take my usb-wifi thing and put that into another usb plug. everything works perfectly fine now.
it's just
fucking weird? for it act up like this?
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On April 02 2014 03:05 lantz wrote:Thank you, I really appreciate the responses. I wish there was a Repping mechanism on TL so I can rep u guys I will offer 1300$
It's worth a good amount, like the case is $200-300, with a smaller case and m-itx mobo you can't use some of these air coolers so you need a more expensive clc to cool well often, i7 >is< worth like $100 more than i5, 16gb RAM will cost like $60-90 more than 8gb - it's just that you might not want some or all of these things, because everything listed there is either largely aesthetic (case choice etc) or not really on the upgrade path for gaming (i5 would be usual choice, >8gb RAM only helps if you need it, etc)
If you get it for $1300 that's nice, i can see why he would want more for it though. If it's a decent choice or not depends entirely on the price. I can see somebody asking like $1.5-1.7k for it used, but i can also see paying like $1250 and not really being in a worse position with your own build
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On April 02 2014 16:33 Incognoto wrote:
A GTX 780 TF for $450....
q_q
Henceforth, Americans have no more right to complain about expensive GPUs!
Edit: OK, a few questions.
Sometimes my rig does weird shit. I'm wondering if it's the motherboard.
Sometimes, when I turn on the computer, the USB mouse doesn't respond at all. So I have to un-plug and re-plug once, sometimes twice, to get it to respond. No problem from the USB keyboard.
Just now, I decided to take out my GPU to take out the dust. In the mean time, I power up the rig using the integrated graphics. Now, I feel like playing some SC2. I use a usb wifi thing for internet atm. The really freaky thing is that everything works fine, until I run SC2. when I run sc2, my connection slows down tremendously, even after restart. anyway, I take my usb-wifi thing and put that into another usb plug. everything works perfectly fine now.
it's just
fucking weird? for it act up like this?
Computers lol
usb3.0 can be wonky on some boards, moreso than usb 2.0
I don't use wifi on desktops unless absolutely mandatory (yay for ethernet cable out of the window into other room/building), i have seen nothing but trainwrecks with adapters even from a friend who spent like 150 euros on one
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I think mine cost like €10 but the thing is at least 7 or so years old. Probably just computers being computers.
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When buying a used computer, how do you check if everything is in good order?
Mainly just checking the expensive parts.
I use System Properties and Device manager to make sure it has the specifications he talked about, but how do you check if all the parts are in good order?
Thanks !
EDIT: I only care about the expensive parts mostly
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You need to run stress tests on it like memtest, prime95, heaven, or whichever software you prefer.
But let's be real here, if you don't know this stuff than you are basically 100% relying on the buyer not fucking you over.
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