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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
April 02 2014 16:31 GMT
#5141
CPU-Z / GPU-Z would give you more detailed information on Motherboard / CPU / Video Card. Stress test programs like skyR mentioned will test if things are in working order. CrystalDisk and other programs that analyze SMART data will give you an indication of HDD health.

I don't really know how else you can test used components. You can't really know if someone ran their CPU at super high voltage for example (which could impact the remaining lifespan).
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
April 03 2014 02:31 GMT
#5142
On April 03 2014 00:47 skyR wrote:
You need to run stress tests on it like memtest, prime95, heaven, or whichever software you prefer.

But let's be real here, if you don't know this stuff than you are basically 100% relying on the buyer not fucking you over.


I probably wouldn't recommend using prime 95 or IBT to anyone who isn't very experienced as those can do some real damage to the hardware if run improperly. Heaven Unigine and Valley are pretty nice tests. You could also try benchmarks like 3D Mark 11 or PCMark.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 03 2014 04:35 GMT
#5143
I see heaven and valley as benchmarks more than tests; never considered them giving a good GPU a real stress test.
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 03 2014 09:56 GMT
#5144
Kinda like just running a game, if you are unstable they will probably let you know - there's not much else to run for gpu's
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 03 2014 13:09 GMT
#5145
Hello, so the planets have aligned and i'm buying a new pc. Since i haven't checked/followed parts scene for a long time i'm totally outdated. Any help you could give me would be greately appreciated.

my budget is around 1000$. The current monitor i'm using is old samsung one ( i use 1024x768 res), but i would like to buy a new one if possible (if i can great, if not i'd rather leave old monitor and get better parts for that money). Intened to play mostly games that are more cpu intensive (like cs and sc), but gaming isn't primarily my goal here. I don't intend to overclock since i always had bad luck with it (kinda). I also plan to buy mechanical keyboard along with it (it's in the budget) so any suggestion here is also very welcome (brown switches is what i'm looking for and possibly background light + shipping to croatia). I plan to buy everything in croatia, but if smtgh is cheaper somewhere and they deliver to croatia i'll buy it there.

Thank you in advance.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 03 2014 13:41 GMT
#5146
What's your budget in.. croatia money? They use euros too, don't they? (but maybe some other currency as well, my friend lived there for most of his life but i forgot)

USD and european markets are far too different to convert, when i got this screen for example it was ~$260 USD, but about $460 USD if i converted from my currency
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 14:13:13
April 03 2014 14:11 GMT
#5147
On April 03 2014 22:41 Cyro wrote:
What's your budget in.. croatia money? They use euros too, don't they? (but maybe some other currency as well, my friend lived there for most of his life but i forgot)

USD and european markets are far too different to convert, when i got this screen for example it was ~$260 USD, but about $460 USD if i converted from my currency

Wikipedia says it's "kuna" and "lipa" and the code for converting through Google is "HRK" -- "1000 USD to HRK = 5558.60 Croatian Kuna".
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 03 2014 14:24 GMT
#5148
On April 03 2014 23:11 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 22:41 Cyro wrote:
What's your budget in.. croatia money? They use euros too, don't they? (but maybe some other currency as well, my friend lived there for most of his life but i forgot)

USD and european markets are far too different to convert, when i got this screen for example it was ~$260 USD, but about $460 USD if i converted from my currency

Wikipedia says it's "kuna" and "lipa" and the code for converting through Google is "HRK" -- "1000 USD to HRK = 5558.60 Croatian Kuna".


so now you just have to find croatian retailers? :p
maru lover forever
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 03 2014 15:47 GMT
#5149
Yeah, our currency is kuna, Ropid googled it perfectly. basically i have around 6000 kn which roughly converts into 1000$ (give or take, depending on the fluctuation of exchange rate). I'm looking for parts in that value because probably 99% suggested can be bought here and if something can't be then i'm willing to order from ebay/amazon/whatever :D
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 03 2014 15:54 GMT
#5150
On April 04 2014 00:47 Kotreb wrote:
Yeah, our currency is kuna, Ropid googled it perfectly. basically i have around 6000 kn which roughly converts into 1000$ (give or take, depending on the fluctuation of exchange rate). I'm looking for parts in that value because probably 99% suggested can be bought here and if something can't be then i'm willing to order from ebay/amazon/whatever :D


The problem that Cyro mentioned is this:

You translate the 6000 kn into 1000 USD. Where I'm from, if I'm looking at 1000 USD parts, I would actually pay about 1000 EUR for those parts. If those 1000 EUR are translated back to HRK, it probably ends up at 8000 kn?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 03 2014 16:07 GMT
#5151
Your calculations are correct. Basically i'm looking for parts in value of 6000 kn. Difference between dollars and euro is that 1$=5.5 kn, while 1€=7.5 kn. I put it into dollars since i noticed on the first page that all values are expressed in dollars, so i just went with it. Like i said, i have budget of 6000 kn, so any suggestion is fine.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 03 2014 18:09 GMT
#5152
6000 kn is 785 euros.

I have no idea where to buy mechanical keyboards from in Europe, but I'm assuming the cost there for something backlit is say 150 euros or so (1150 kn). Some cheaper models may or may not be available, I'm thinking. Windows OEM license is say 75 euros. Add say 125 euros for a monitor on the low end. So that is almost half the budget.

Getting PC components shipped from Germany is almost always cheapest. I think mindfactory ships for 30 euros. Here is a reasonable build for the rest of the money.

Core i3-4130 - 92 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i3-4130-2x-3-40GHz-So-1150-BOX_931541.html

AsRock H81M-HDS (generic socket 1150 board) - 38 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-H81M-HDS-Intel-H81-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_930820.html

Crucial 2 x 4GB 1600 MHz DDR3 - 57 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Crucial-Ballistix-Sport-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_794504.html

Sapphire R7 260X 2GB - 105 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Sapphire-Radeon-R7-260X-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Lite-Retail-_945375.html

Seagate 1TB 7200 rpm - 45 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Seagate-Desktop-HDD-ST1000DM003-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_775365.html

Samsung DVD burner - 12 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Samsung-SH-224DB-BEBE-DVD-RW-SATA-1-5Gb-s-intern-schwarz-Bulk_853099.html

Fractal Design Core 1000 - 28 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Fractal-Core-1000-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_739898.html

XFX Core 450W (for the relative quality and price; wattage is way more than necessary) - 40 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/450-Watt-XFX-Core-Edition-V2-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_759250.html

LG 22EA63V - 133 €
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/21-5Zoll--54-61cm--LG-Electronics-Flatron-22EA63V-schwarz-1920x1080-1xHDM_846979.html

It can be adjusted up or down readily, say if Windows not needed, you find a keyboard cheaper, or everything is as expensive as I thought.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 03 2014 18:57 GMT
#5153
Thank you :D
There are few things i don't need (windows, dvd burner and i think i'll give up on monitor) so i might put it into another parts. And seeing these prices makes me wanna cry (add ~30€ for almost all items when i'm buying them here). Thank you once again, it was very helpful
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
trancey
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
April 03 2014 21:40 GMT
#5154
Is the Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB still the best budget video card to buy? Anyone have any other good options?

Also -- for Fraps-ing or streaming, can an AMD FX-4100 (1st gen) hold up? I should probably upgrade this too huh.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 03 2014 21:47 GMT
#5155
On April 04 2014 06:40 trancey wrote:
Is the Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB still the best budget video card to buy? Anyone have any other good options?

Also -- for Fraps-ing or streaming, can an AMD FX-4100 (1st gen) hold up? I should probably upgrade this too huh.


What kind of streaming are you looking to do? You might wanna grab a 750/750ti
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
trancey
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
April 03 2014 21:50 GMT
#5156
On April 04 2014 06:47 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 06:40 trancey wrote:
Is the Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB still the best budget video card to buy? Anyone have any other good options?

Also -- for Fraps-ing or streaming, can an AMD FX-4100 (1st gen) hold up? I should probably upgrade this too huh.


What kind of streaming are you looking to do? You might wanna grab a 750/750ti


I'm just attempting to stream Heroes on probably low/medium graphics. My main goal is to make YouTube content.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 03 2014 21:56 GMT
#5157
You can use hardware encoder on 600/700 series gpu's for that, it's pretty good. Maybe the most cost effective option if you don't have a useful GPU right now and have an fx4100
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 03:55:35
April 04 2014 03:54 GMT
#5158
On April 03 2014 13:35 Incognoto wrote:
I see heaven and valley as benchmarks more than tests; never considered them giving a good GPU a real stress test.


The only GPU stress test I can think of is MSi's Kombuster....it even has smoke graphics on the program. I sort of take that as a warning lol.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 04 2014 11:31 GMT
#5159
A lot of the gpu stress tests are more tests of power delivery systems than stability, to the point where most of it isn't much use a lot of the time - gaming on a gpu boost card for example you can sit at say 1300mhz and not pass 80% of your power limit ever, but meanwhile if you run furmark it can use enough power to throttle you to 1000mhz - and that does not tell you if you are stable @1300mhz or not, because it refuses to run that fast in the first place
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
April 04 2014 17:57 GMT
#5160
What about Furmark?

I mention it because it caused faster temperature raise on my GPU than Heaven.
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