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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
April 06 2014 14:55 GMT
#5181
2x8 would be preferred if you're running dual channel

You'd want 4 for an LGA2011 build
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 06 2014 15:08 GMT
#5182
Happy birthday first :D

secondly, would it fit better into this setup? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread?page=259#5165
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-06 15:40:03
April 06 2014 15:39 GMT
#5183
On a dual channel system (read: if you're building or upgrading a desktop that's not on LGA 2011), it doesn't matter much. I'd get the 2x8 so it's possible to further expand later if necessary. Also, 2 sticks is slightly more stable / easy to overclock maybe.

On LGA2011 you want 4 sticks for slightly better performance.

On B85 you have dual channel memory and can't overclock the RAM anyway.

edit: wait a sec, wasn't everything already answered?
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 06 2014 15:44 GMT
#5184
thx for answering. Don't know if by 2011 you mean chipset for MB (googled it) but as far as i can see my MB is not 2011 so it's ok either way.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 06 2014 15:50 GMT
#5185
2011 is the socket for the motherboard, which can only be used with a certain set of CPUs and also a range of motherboard chipsets. You're looking at socket 1155, so that's not you.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 06 2014 17:02 GMT
#5186
ah ok. thank you for bearing with my stupidity.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 06 2014 17:31 GMT
#5187
On April 07 2014 02:02 Kotreb wrote:
ah ok. thank you for bearing with my stupidity.


It's not being stupid. If you're unfamiliar with the wording for different computer parts or acronyms it just means you're unfamiliar with it. Nothing more. You aren't going to re-invent computer terminology so don't be so hard on yourself. :p


@Cyro, thanks for the big post. your earlier remarks are a bit more clear now. :p also, happy birthday!
maru lover forever
ridic
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada52 Posts
April 07 2014 00:26 GMT
#5188
Hey guys! It's been 6 years since I bought my last PC. It's time for an upgrade.

What is your budget?
$1000 tax in.

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
CSGO, Dota 2, Diablo 3, Starcraft2, Hearthstone,

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Watching streams/tv shows and other basic stuff

Do you intend to overclock?
Yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Preference towards a high end cpu (i5-4670k). Some of the games I play are cpu heavy.
Would like an SSD. Can't really go back after my experience on my macbook air.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I will probably be buying everything through ncix.ca, since they offer match prices and I've had a good experience with them so far.

Goofing around I've come up with this (overbudget):
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3nePb

Any suggestions are appreciated, thanks guys.

My current build is as follows:
E8400
HD 5750
ASUS P5Q Pro ATX LGA775
Antec Sonata III Black ATX
4GB ram
Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 32MB Cache

What should I do with it? Should I reuse any pieces / sell it (how much?) / or simply give it away to a friend or family member? (Note that fans make weird noises, not sure what's up, and HDD is really slow nowadays).

Thanks again!

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 00:31:16
April 07 2014 00:30 GMT
#5189
re use the hdd

i can't brain other stuff atm, maybe in the morning

it'll run fine as storage, especially if defragmented etc. HDD's don't really lose performance if they're maintained, AFAIK?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 07 2014 01:30 GMT
#5190
@ridic:

On the technology used for the cheap fans, there's a rubber cover hidden behind the sticker on its back. You can force that rubber stopper out and put a drop of oil into the hole and the noise will often be gone. It won't be like new and the noise will soon come back so you will have to oil it again and again and again. The fans are basically at the end of their life. You can replace case fans very easy, but graphics card fans might be annoying and I don't know how to source replacements for those. The whole Intel stock CPU cooler is something worth $10.

The HDD should only get slow in a way that things sometimes hang for a while. That's how it behaves when it is on its last legs and slowly dying. You will be able to research if that's happening for you by looking at what tools like CrystalDiskInfo show for the "SMART" data recorded by the drive. If the slowness does not feel like that, Windows hanging when clicking on things, putting a fresh Windows installation on it might fix it? I think Windows Vista and 7 and 8 take care of defragmentation stuff by themselves.

I feel that's a solid build that you linked, but some changes might be good.

There was something about that particular board (MSI Z87-G43) having a limit for voltage. That's not something that should be relevant for overclocking with a modest air cooler, but I just find the idea of a limit being needed suspicious. They might have tried to save too much on the parts used for the voltage regulation. I'd look at what the competition sells for that price.

Is there some other cooler for similar price? It's not very strong and the $30 don't feel good for it. This one might be good, especially if you take care of using the mail-in-rebate: http://products.ncix.com/detail/zalman-cnps-14x-pure-aluminum-ef-75234.htm

You really don't need the 620W of that PSU. I think it will be impossible to use more than 400W even when overclocking CPU and GPU as much as possible.

Can you find a better deal on RAM? When hunting for a deal, you should also look in the shop's sections for the faster memory speeds. There are often deals for things like 2133 memory that aren't much more expensive than 1600 speed. Faster memory speed doesn't do very much, but it's still worth it if the price does only increase a little.

You can get away with using a slow, large HDD if you want. This is because the SSD will deal with all the things that Windows and programs need, so even a 5400 RPM HDD will be fine and feel surprisingly fast whenever you want something from it like loading a game that's installed on the HDD.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
zekiY
Profile Joined April 2014
United States11 Posts
April 07 2014 01:52 GMT
#5191
First off let me say thank you as this thread has been a huge help as I put together my first build. Most of this stuff usually goes over my head but the explanations here were top notch and very "newbie" friendly.

If you guys can give a once over on my current (hopefully final) build, I would be grateful.

What is your budget?

$1000

What is your monitor's native resolution?

1680 x 1050 (plan to upgrade this in the coming months)

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

Recent and upcoming releases on High. Don't need to max out everything.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Traditional internet things.

Do you intend to overclock?

No.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

No.

Do you need an operating system?

No.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

No.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

Nope.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

U.S.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

Amazon due to having Prime.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $971.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 21:34 EDT-0400)


I'm iffy on the PSU. Not sure if I have too much power there or not enough. I'm assuming that I have more than I need and might be better of with something that has a lower wattage but is gold. Definitely want something that is modular though.

I'm currently split between cases as well. It seems that the 400 has an extra fan which might make me go for that one over the windowed 300, although I'm not sure how important having that extra fan would be. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 07 2014 02:25 GMT
#5192
On April 07 2014 10:52 zekiY wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
First off let me say thank you as this thread has been a huge help as I put together my first build. Most of this stuff usually goes over my head but the explanations here were top notch and very "newbie" friendly.

If you guys can give a once over on my current (hopefully final) build, I would be grateful.

What is your budget?

$1000

What is your monitor's native resolution?

1680 x 1050 (plan to upgrade this in the coming months)

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

Recent and upcoming releases on High. Don't need to max out everything.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Traditional internet things.

Do you intend to overclock?

No.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

No.

Do you need an operating system?

No.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

No.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

Nope.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

U.S.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

Amazon due to having Prime.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3nj3f/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $971.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 21:34 EDT-0400)


I'm iffy on the PSU. Not sure if I have too much power there or not enough. I'm assuming that I have more than I need and might be better of with something that has a lower wattage but is gold. Definitely want something that is modular though.

I'm currently split between cases as well. It seems that the 400 has an extra fan which might make me go for that one over the windowed 300, although I'm not sure how important having that extra fan would be. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139008


Yep you would be better off with a Rosewill Capstone 450-M over the Cosrair CX600. Longer warranty and better quality.

Extra fan won't be a big deal when you aren't overclocking.

120GB isn't much space these days if you're a recent release type of gamer so you may want to consider a 240-250GB SSD which is about $120-$140.
zekiY
Profile Joined April 2014
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 02:42:57
April 07 2014 02:42 GMT
#5193
Thanks! Will switch over to the Rosewill then.

As for the SSD, It's really only there for the OS. As I understand it, games only get a decrease in load time and not performance, correct? If so, I can deal with the load times on most games and just have a couple on the SSD that I play a lot or have longer loads.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
April 07 2014 03:04 GMT
#5194
On April 07 2014 11:42 zekiY wrote:
Thanks! Will switch over to the Rosewill then.

As for the SSD, It's really only there for the OS. As I understand it, games only get a decrease in load time and not performance, correct? If so, I can deal with the load times on most games and just have a couple on the SSD that I play a lot or have longer loads.

Yeah, that'll work fine.
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lost_artz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States366 Posts
April 07 2014 04:42 GMT
#5195
+ Show Spoiler +


On April 06 2014 16:35 lost_artz wrote:
What is your current build?
PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 650W ATX12V/EPS12V
GPU: ASUS ENGTX550 Ti/DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 550 Ti
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
Hard-drive: Western Digital Black WD5002AALX 500GB
MOBO: ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 - Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Win 7
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147108

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080 IIRC - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236175 (main screen)
1680 x 1050 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009145 (second screen)

Not entirely sure I understood this question so I included links to Newegg where I bought them.

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Simply put - better FPS and load times. Current PC is somewhat sluggish. I originally built this pc with the express purpose of playing Skyrim which my previous pc couldn't. Probably because it's a laptop...

Anyway I'm finding my myself in a similar situation now. I can play most games just fine but if I try maxing out settings I find my FPS dropping below 30 resulting in choppy game-play. I even experience some choppiness when playing Sim games such as SimCity or Banished.

I'm currently looking at upgrading to:
-GPU: GTX 750 Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487028
-PSU (only if necessary)
-Hard-drive: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250KW SSD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147253 or SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193

I don't mind spending an extra $45 if there's a noticeable difference in load speeds. Regardless I don't need more than 256GB. Only using 105GB currently on my pc.

What is your budget?
Absolute max $600 including PSU if needed, otherwise $400.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
Retailer: Newegg. I could use Amazon however I prefer Newegg for electronics purchases.

Brands: I prefer larger/name brands. I'm just generally more at ease of mind with them.





I have a quick follow-up question for this post. My windows 7 is OEM, by my understanding that product key can't be transferred to a new MOBO, but I'm simply looking at swapping out my hard-drive and GPU. Will I need a new key or am I fine?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 07 2014 04:51 GMT
#5196
You can keep using it just fine.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17256 Posts
April 07 2014 05:11 GMT
#5197
You're not supposed to, but that's never stopped anyone.

You may end up needing to use the robot for activation instead of the Internet one (i.e. call the phone number).
twitch.tv/cratonz
zekiY
Profile Joined April 2014
United States11 Posts
April 07 2014 10:00 GMT
#5198
Alright, so after committing on the build I posted earlier, Amazon put the 4670K on sale for the same price of the 4570. So I cancelled that, bought the 4670K instead and am now considering an overclockable build.

What would I need to add/change in order to have that?

For reference, this was my final build with 4670K added.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ntmA
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ntmA/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ntmA/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $973.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-07 05:59 EDT-0400)
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 10:45:51
April 07 2014 10:42 GMT
#5199
Just a Z87 Motherboard such as the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H. You could also get DDR3-2133/2400 also if you wanted, however there is little reason to.

e: And at least a decent CPU cooler, Cooler Master Hyper 212+/Evo minimum up to Noctua U14S, Stay away from CLC's.
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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 12:35:16
April 07 2014 12:33 GMT
#5200
so i was looking at thses two monitors and can't decide really which is better. First has led IPS, but the second one doesn't, but it has other options (rotatiing, usb connectors and some other stuff), so i was wondering which one would you pick. the picture quality or accessories?
http://www.aoc-europe.com/no_cache/en/monitors.html?useCacheHash=1&showUid=292
or
http://www.aoc-europe.com/no_cache/en/monitors.html?useCacheHash=1&showUid=251

or would you go with this one?
http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LS23C350HS/ZN#
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