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On April 08 2014 23:16 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 17:19 zekiY wrote:
Alright, I'll figure I'll go for it then. I just picked up that Gigabyte Z87X-D3H. If anything I'll learn more about PCs while overclocking, which is one of the purposes of this whole thing anyways.
Any immediate need to have to get a cooler right away? I don't plan to overclock ASAP (should I?) so am I good just waiting a while to see if a deal pops up or just until that time comes?
Thanks for all the help so far guys!
Edit: Just saw the post above mine. Seems like I'll be waiting to OC then until a later time. Thanks again for all the help! I'm sure I'll be back when I actually have to put this thing together. If you're investing in OC stuff, you should always OC, at least get most of the headroom very soon after building. A lot of people buy stuff to "maybe" OC and then never do it, it's shockingly common and just wasted money Show nested quote +Do you intend to overclock?
He doesn't. However, a small overclock might be something that he wishes to do, and therefore I have chosen some hardware that I think will make that possible. Same thing here, if he doesn't plan to throw 1.25-1.4vcore at it, don't bother Nuf, you probably want a good quality 450w PSU instead of 750w (considering 770+4670k at intermediate-level OC's consume like 300 watts) You also might want an SSD. Looking at prices recently, 120gb ssd are quite cheap - but 250gb ssd is similar price to just buying a 120gb and also a 1tb hdd. Grabbing a ~250gb 840 evo is a really appealing option for a new build, unless you want vastly higher storage capacity than that Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 22:51 Thalandros wrote:
So, just a random question since I want to upgrade my graphics card this year (an awesome 2GB HD radeon 6950!) towards probably a GTX 770 or something alike. How do the 760-770-780 compare in price-quantity? 770 and 760 are the same die (gk104), both have 256 bit memory bus w/ 32 ROP's, but 760 has 2 of the 8 SMX disabled for a total of 6 instead of 8 (so in practice, it loses "up to" a quarter of the performance) - the other difference is memory speed, 770 has faster memory by about 10%, but it usually does not influence benchmark numbers significantly, only minor change. They are sold at similar price/performance, but i prefer 760 because 2gb VRAM, lower memory bandwidth, ROP's amount etc stand out a bit on the 770 - compared to other cards, such as 760, 780, 7950 etc, it's a bit lopsided there, and it's an expensive GPU yet would be awkward to SLI etc because of that (not very good for 1440p) 780 is a new die, gk110, with a 384 bit memory bus and 48 ROP's. It has 12 SMX - it's sold at a pretty low clock speed, relatively (think like 1100mhz boost on factory oc'd instead of many 760's/770's doing 1254) so it benches lower, but it is absolutely a rival choice for SLI 760 in the hands of somebody who would push both card
Thank you for your answer mate, while I appreciate the general tips about the overclocking, I will stick to the overclocking parts. A more pressing question I got is regarding the graphics card. It is said to be a bit sizeable, and I worry if it will take too much space on my mobo? Or maybe in my midi tower case? By the way, I am looking for other cases as well, I'd like a cheaper, spacey and good fan options.
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GTX 770 is typically 10.7 to 11.5 inches long. Most decent modern cases from the major brands (eg. $60+ from Corsair, Fractal Design, etc) have clearance for up to 12 to 15 inches.
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On April 09 2014 01:05 skyR wrote:
GTX 770 is typically 10.7 to 11.5 inches long. Most decent modern cases from the major brands (eg. $60+ from Corsair, Fractal Design, etc) have clearance for up to 12 to 15 inches.
Thank you for the answer. Here is the link for the graphic cards specs, could you maybe take a look at it?
http://www.palit.biz/palit/vgapro.php?id=2140
I just want to be completely sure it'll fit the motherboard.
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Graphics cards fitting on the motherboard isn't a problem, all cards fit on all motherboards as no motherboard manufacturer is stupid enough to have protruding shit out at the end of a PCIe slot.
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On April 09 2014 01:39 skyR wrote:
Graphics cards fitting on the motherboard isn't a problem, all cards fit on all motherboards as no motherboard manufacturer is stupid enough to have protruding shit out at the end of a PCIe slot.
Okay, well I was hoping you'd say that, haha.
Here's the case I have chosen for him: CM Storm Scout II Advanced the link here: https://www.komplett.dk/cm-storm-scout-ii-advanced-gunmetal-grey/775817
Also skyR, could you please take a look at the rest of my build and tell me if you spot something that doesn't make too much sense? Except the overclocking aspect.
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Okay, but the 750w is cheaper than the 550w/650w ones that you linked. Is that because the quality is worse? Does it make it inferior compared to the other two? Because it is cheaper after all.
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Yes, the CX series is worse than the RM series.
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On April 09 2014 02:33 skyR wrote:
Yes, the CX series is worse than the RM series.
Alright, but will the worse and cheaper series work? With 750W
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On April 09 2014 02:43 skyR wrote:
Yes, it'd work.
Okay, I have talked to my brother about it, and he has decided to go for quality instead of quantity, chosing the 650W that you suggested. Did the rest look fine? The overall build and synergy
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Nothing else looks out of the ordinary.
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On April 09 2014 03:46 skyR wrote:
Nothing else looks out of the ordinary.
Thank you very much sir, I will start ordering his parts now and assemble the PC the following days. I will post here how it goes, and even juicy pictures of my flawless wire management etc. etc.
Also, I should say thank you from my littlebrother! :-)
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On April 08 2014 23:16 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 22:51 Thalandros wrote:
So, just a random question since I want to upgrade my graphics card this year (an awesome 2GB HD radeon 6950!) towards probably a GTX 770 or something alike. How do the 760-770-780 compare in price-quantity? 770 and 760 are the same die (gk104), both have 256 bit memory bus w/ 32 ROP's, but 760 has 2 of the 8 SMX disabled for a total of 6 instead of 8 (so in practice, it loses "up to" a quarter of the performance) - the other difference is memory speed, 770 has faster memory by about 10%, but it usually does not influence benchmark numbers significantly, only minor change. They are sold at similar price/performance, but i prefer 760 because 2gb VRAM, lower memory bandwidth, ROP's amount etc stand out a bit on the 770 - compared to other cards, such as 760, 780, 7950 etc, it's a bit lopsided there, and it's an expensive GPU yet would be awkward to SLI etc because of that (not very good for 1440p) 780 is a new die, gk110, with a 384 bit memory bus and 48 ROP's. It has 12 SMX - it's sold at a pretty low clock speed, relatively (think like 1100mhz boost on factory oc'd instead of many 760's/770's doing 1254) so it benches lower, but it is absolutely a rival choice for SLI 760 in the hands of somebody who would push both card
Thanks for the big response again, Cyro.  I'm just wondering, from a neutral point of view, do you think it's logically worth upgrading from a 6950 to one of the cards I mentioned? I notice I'm running up against a wall now with the recent purchase of my i5 4670. I can run games like World of Warcraft, Starcraft II etc. just fine because they're so CPU intensive, but I notice my GPU starts lagging behind big time in the game I'm currently slowly playing through, Tomb Raider. I've noticed this with more games but I'm just using that as an example. Now assuming I'm not a millionaire (which I'm far from! ), what would your suggestion be? Wait it out until they become a bit cheaper (780's mostly, obviously, because they are the newest gen), or should I look for one already considering my graphics card is some years old now?
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Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2014 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2015).
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On April 10 2014 05:30 Craton wrote:
Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2013 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2014).
I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD
But yeah, sounds good, thanks. If I wanted to go somewhere along the lines of a 770 though, would a 7970 suffice? I can see it for quite a bit of money cheaper, but is it price/quantity wise worth it? (about €100 cheaper)
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On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 05:30 Craton wrote:
Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2013 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2014). I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD But yeah, sounds good, thanks. If I wanted to go somewhere along the lines of a 770 though, would a 7970 suffice? I can see it for quite a bit of money cheaper, but is it price/quantity wise worth it? (about €100 cheaper)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/510?vs=508
770 is somewhat equivalent to 7970 ghz edition
I feel terrible going back to 2012 charts to list current tech midrange gpu's, lol
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On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:
I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD
Looks fine to me!
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On April 10 2014 07:48 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:On April 10 2014 05:30 Craton wrote:
Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2013 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2014). I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD But yeah, sounds good, thanks. If I wanted to go somewhere along the lines of a 770 though, would a 7970 suffice? I can see it for quite a bit of money cheaper, but is it price/quantity wise worth it? (about €100 cheaper) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/510?vs=508770 is somewhat equivalent to 7970 ghz edition
The card seems a bit rare in the Netherlands, especially the Ghz edition.  A normal edition would be around €240,-, which is still decent for it's performance over my 6950 statistically speaking, right?
On April 10 2014 07:48 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:
I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD Looks fine to me!
Must've read that wrong. 
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