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On April 10 2014 08:00 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 07:48 Cyro wrote:On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:On April 10 2014 05:30 Craton wrote:
Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2013 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2014). I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD But yeah, sounds good, thanks. If I wanted to go somewhere along the lines of a 770 though, would a 7970 suffice? I can see it for quite a bit of money cheaper, but is it price/quantity wise worth it? (about €100 cheaper) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/510?vs=508770 is somewhat equivalent to 7970 ghz edition The card seems a bit rare in the Netherlands, especially the Ghz edition.  A normal edition would be around €240,-, which is still decent for it's performance over my 6950 statistically speaking, right? Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 07:48 Craton wrote:On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:
I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD Looks fine to me! Must've read that wrong. 
Ya, it's good if it's not much more expensive than say 760
Aaand.. he edited it to fix, it said 2013 - 2014 :D
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I'm planning on upgrading the graphics card on my rig with a 280X and maybe xfire in the future when the price drops. For the PSU should I get the Seasonic X-750 for something really solid, or the Corsair RM 850 which is $10 cheaper?
Both have silent operation, and judging from jonnyguru reviews it looks like the RM 850 has lower quality caps compared to the X-750. I'm looking for something that'll last for a while and hopefully the next 2 or so builds I won't have to get a new PSU.
For reference, I'll be getting the parts off pccasegear. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=15_535&vk_sort=1&page=2
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What CPU and other parts do you have?
A normal build these days with a 280x is fine with ok with a 350w psu (normal) or 450w psu (higher oc's) so you need a lot of reason to be targetting the 850 range - that's more than you'd get even for Crossfire
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On April 10 2014 09:32 Cyro wrote:
What CPU and other parts do you have?
A normal build these days with a 280x is fine with ok with a 350w psu (normal) or 450w psu (higher oc's) so you need a lot of reason to be targetting the 850 range - that's more than you'd get even for Crossfire
i5-2500k for the CPU and I'm planning to add a Kraken X60 and X40 for the new 280X for some OC play. I'm going for the H440 as a new case so I'm leaning towards the H440 for silence optimised. The only reason I picked the 850W variant is it was a little cheaper than the X-750 and the extra headroom would give me more room for the silent fan operation feature.
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Even with the power supply fan spinning, you're not going to hear it over the video card so it's sort of silly to purchase such a large unit when your load is going to be under 300w.
Seasonic X is the better choice. Seven year warranty (Corsair RM is five years) and all Japanese caps.
XFX XTR is another option fyi, a rebranded Seasonic X.
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Also in other news, newegg.com now ships to Australia and UK.
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On April 10 2014 10:25 skyR wrote:
Also in other news, newegg.com now ships to Australia and UK.
Apparently the stuff they can ship to here is limited and there's no way to search the website if its available to Australia. I hope they open office here though or I'd cry if I would ever have to RMA.
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They seem to have stuff super cheap, are they shipping from mainland US and charging like $50+ for it or something?
4670k is £25 (~$40) cheaper on newegg than anywhere in uk, if you select gbp
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It's shipping internationally, no idea how much shipping is.
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On April 10 2014 10:18 skyR wrote:
XFX XTR is another option fyi, a rebranded Seasonic X.
Not that it makes much difference, but I think it's based on Seasonic G, not X (which is KM3 these days).
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On April 10 2014 11:44 skyR wrote:
It's shipping internationally, no idea how much shipping is.
equivalent of $70 shipping, tax and duty on a 4670k lol
they won't ship a spawn or avior 7000, so not sure what kind of charges there would be there - i'm not sure of the niche for ordering internationally if stuff is more expensive than buying here, yet they won't ship stuff like spawn which is not available to buy in europe :D
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On April 10 2014 08:01 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:00 Thalandros wrote:On April 10 2014 07:48 Cyro wrote:On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:On April 10 2014 05:30 Craton wrote:
Well it depends on how long you want to wait. The 6950 still does decently and can last you till the next generation of nvidia cards, which I believe are supposed to be a sizable improvement. It's just a matter of do you want something better now or are you okay with lowering settings a bit for awhile. The new Nvidia cards aren't expected until later 2013 (I heard some uncorroborated rumors of manufacturing delays that may push this to 2014). I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD But yeah, sounds good, thanks. If I wanted to go somewhere along the lines of a 770 though, would a 7970 suffice? I can see it for quite a bit of money cheaper, but is it price/quantity wise worth it? (about €100 cheaper) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/510?vs=508770 is somewhat equivalent to 7970 ghz edition The card seems a bit rare in the Netherlands, especially the Ghz edition. A normal edition would be around €240,-, which is still decent for it's performance over my 6950 statistically speaking, right? On April 10 2014 07:48 Craton wrote:On April 10 2014 06:50 Thalandros wrote:
I'm thinking you've gone back in time 1 year? XD Looks fine to me! Must've read that wrong. Ya, it's good if it's not much more expensive than say 760 Aaand.. he edited it to fix, it said 2013 - 2014 :D
Haha I know, I was playing along! :D
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Don't believe his libelous accusations.
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So I'm considering buying new desktop from one shop. There are 2 that fits my price and they are almost identical except processor and graphics card.
Option 1: i5 4440s + geforce gt640
Option 2: AMD fx-6300 + hd 8760
Now I did little bit of research on these, and it seems like option 2 is a bit stronger. However since I'm not some tech expert and usually intel seems to be mainstream for gaming, maybe going for option 1 would be safer.
Also I got few questions:
1. What kind of performance can I expect from those pcs? (I'm playing mostly dota 2, counter strike and bunch of games on steam
2. Could I run some new games on medium with it? If not is it possible to upgrade it? Like getting new graphic card etc...
3. Should I just collect more money and buy better pc? For this year my wish is to play witcher 3 and dragon age 3 on medium smoothly.
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On April 12 2014 06:45 JuneMay wrote:
So I'm considering buying new desktop from one shop. There are 2 that fits my price and they are almost identical except processor and graphics card.
Option 1: i5 4440s + geforce gt640
Option 2: AMD fx-6300 + hd 8760
Now I did little bit of research on these, and it seems like option 2 is a bit stronger. However since I'm not some tech expert and usually intel seems to be mainstream for gaming, maybe going for option 1 would be safer.
Also I got few questions:
1. What kind of performance can I expect from those pcs? (I'm playing mostly dota 2, counter strike and bunch of games on steam
2. Could I run some new games on medium with it? If not is it possible to upgrade it? Like getting new graphic card etc...
3. Should I just collect more money and buy better pc? For this year my wish is to play witcher 3 and dragon age 3 on medium smoothly.
The 8760 is a rebranded 7770 it seems, what are the prices here?
Reason #1 for custom building btw is choosing your own parts, reason #2 is being able to buy a decent quality power supply and motherboard instead of being entirely at mercy of whoever is selling the whole system. That can impact some things, including reliability and GPU upgradability
option 2 there is a pretty entry level card, while option 1 is worse. It doesn't really make sense to buy and then throw away the gpu immediately, though
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Price for both options are 600 euros. They both come with same specs (1 TB hd, 8 gb of ram, some extras like dvd rw etc).
Reason why I cant buy affordable parts is because I live in Bosnia which is nowhere, there are no good shops nearby, and I wonder if people would deliver here and how much shipping would cost. But if I could buy parts, could I get better pc for 600 euros?
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That's very likely. You would not be stuck with something you don't really want like what's happening for both PCs. That i5-4440S CPU is for example a strange choice... it is sold at the same price as i5-4440, but it has a special feature where it intentionally runs slower than normal if all its cores are in use. Why would someone put that CPU into a normal desktop PC? The GT 640 graphics card, you can't play games on it so for that PC, they might as well completely skip the graphics card and stay with the integrated graphics of CPU and board.
The other PC seems to have smarter choices. That graphics card is something no one has heard of which is strange. The CPU might be a bit depressing but that's perhaps only for some games like SC2. That said, I definitely don't like it for 600 €, but you can perhaps only beat it yourself if you don't pay for a Windows license?
I clicked around in a shop as an experiment without much thinking and got this here:
http://i.imgur.com/RzwCriO.png
I don't know if I overlooked something (except Windows), but I even put an SSD in there so that can be removed which frees money for changes (removing the SSD would be smart for a gaming PC). From what I've heard the prices in Germany seem to be pretty great in comparison to other European countries so that thing there might be unrealistic.
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Reason why they putting this trash in desktops is because this country is pathetic. You can notice that these are older technologies, but at the same time they are 2 best desktops they offer. They probably buy lots of garbage parts that nobody wants and sell it here for high prices. Also windows is not included in both of these pcs. I wonder if I could order parts from amazon, or is that even possible and how much would shipment cost.
Edit: Ok, after searching some more it seem I found better company. Here are 2 choices from them:
Option 1: i5 3350p + gtx750 500 euros
Option 2: i5 4430 + gtx760 700 euros
This option 1 is much more affordable to me, but at the same time it seems that this option 2 card is a beast. Both pcs come with 1tb hd + 8 gigs of ram and rest of usual crap ( no windows).
Could this option 1 run games on medium? Does option 2 make sense? Is graphic card too strong for this processor?
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If you're playing most modern mid-high budget games, GTX 760 is definitely not too much for i5-4430.
The first should handle some games on medium. It really depends on what fps you're willing to accept. The first option is not bad for 500 euros as long as the power supply isn't going to explode. It's around the cost of components, though it does use the last-gen processor.
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