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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
March 23 2014 07:57 GMT
#5041
Got my new processor and mobo, and installed it without a problem. Just wanted to thank everyone who helped me earlier this week
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 23 2014 07:58 GMT
#5042
ty all
maru lover forever
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 23 2014 08:43 GMT
#5043
Is "Cab" supposed to be "CAD"?
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
March 23 2014 18:53 GMT
#5044
On March 23 2014 17:43 Craton wrote:
Is "Cab" supposed to be "CAD"?


Yes CAD. Sorry about that. Not sure what specific program he is using, whether it be AutoCad or what. But he mainly uses Matlab.
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 23 2014 19:11 GMT
#5045
I would say a Xeon E3-1230 v3 and 16GB (2x8GB) of RAM with a B85/H87 board with 4 RAM slots (incase he ever needs to expand to 32GB). The real problem is which GPU to get, I'm leaning towards a R7 260X (or maybe even a R7 265 or w/e amd is calling the 7850 these days). Unless he needs CUDA, then your pretty stuck with say trying to find a 650 Ti/660 as I presume the new maxwell cards are terrible with FP performance.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 19:45:15
March 23 2014 19:42 GMT
#5046
Nope, the GTX 750 Ti is a beast.

EDIT: See here, scroll to the bunch of compute benchmarks: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1038
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 23 2014 20:02 GMT
#5047
This is more relevent of a comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1044

There are some of the compute benchmarks that the 260x loses but it wins the majority, with over 2x the performance in some cases.

The same is true for the 750 Ti vs R7 265.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
March 23 2014 20:08 GMT
#5048
Yeah, their OpenCL driver is just something NVIDIA apparently doesn't want to invest any time into improving. I meant for the choice about buying GTX 650 Ti or 660. On the NVIDIA side the GTX 750 Ti is a better choice, which seems super neat as it's also so modest with regards to the cooling it needs and what it wants from the PSU.
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 23 2014 20:28 GMT
#5049
Anyways I'm thinking ~this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.81 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $702.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-23 16:25 EDT-0400)


Pretty much the most performance you can get for $700, I think an SSD is not an option for his budget unless he is willing to sac some performance.
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mathoes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
March 23 2014 23:29 GMT
#5050
Hi guys,

I'd like to start off by thanking you. About 3 years ago SkyR and others helped me build my current system, which now needs an upgrade. So thanks for your help then and hopefully you can help me now

Current setup

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB WD5000AAKX
GPU: MSI Radeon HD6850 Cyclone Power Edition OC
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM KVR1333D3N9K2/4G 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 Motherboard B3
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520C 520W Power Supply
Case: CoolerMaster Centurion 5 II Black

Budget?
$300-$500

Monitor?
1920*1080

Why upgrade?
Temperamental graphics card, sometimes won't initialize on computer start. Computer 2.5 years old.
I want to run Path of Exile smoother and on higher settings.

Games?
Path of Exile - Highest settings
WoW - high to ultra
CS:GO - high

Overclock/Crossfire(SLI)?
No intention to do either.

Country & Retailers
Australia
www.pccasegear.com.au
www.arc.com.au

My ideas..

$215 Intel Core i5 4440

$65 ASUS H81M-E Motherboard

$239 MSI Radeon R9 270 Gaming 2GB

Total: $519

Comments
I feel like the only components I need to upgrade are the GPU, Motherboard and CPU.

I don't know whether just upgrading the GPU would change much. Some advice on upgrading ALL or SOME would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 23:50:13
March 23 2014 23:49 GMT
#5051
I see little reason for spending $280 on CPU there (it's hardly an upgrade, locked i5 to locked i5, 1 generation jump that was quite dissapointing)

Then again, are those three games not CPU bound? I didn't play much POE but i remember having like 150fps with little gpu load i think. Not sure exactly how weak the 6850 is for CSGO/WoW
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mathoes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
March 24 2014 00:17 GMT
#5052
Yeah I know...It seems that the CPUs that would be an upgrade fall out of my budget.. It did feel pretty redundant linking the i5 4440

Maybe it's not worth upgrading with this low budget atm.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 00:23:25
March 24 2014 00:21 GMT
#5053
Anandtech benches show 270/760 (or stronger) gpu's being a substantial upgrade to your current one, you just have to make sure that you're GPU limited at the times that you want increased performance before going down that route:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1077?vs=1038


You >could< make CPU upgrade to Haswell, but i'd say it's only worth with a 4670k+ overclock, or maybe even just a 4670 - that way you're clocked at like 3.7ghz instead of 3.1ghz when the CPU is loaded (4440 has lower base clock turbo's)

^It's probably not worth CPU upgrade before GPU, though.

I wouldn't say it's not worth upgrading on $500, but if you split budget for the CPU to go for i5 4440, you could end up with barely upgrading on that front while cutting into GPU budget (or budget for an actual big cpu upgrade)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
March 24 2014 05:44 GMT
#5054
Why don't you get a gpu upgrade (which is clearly needed if you say it's on the fritz) and see if you have acceptable performance? As Cyro said you can get a huge improvement in gpu performance from a gpu upgrade, but sandy -> haswell isn't that much of an upgrade, and most games don't need more than a sandy bridge.
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
March 24 2014 08:11 GMT
#5055
Thanks for the help with the build guys. I appreciate it.
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mathoes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
March 24 2014 08:20 GMT
#5056
Cheers guys. Going to aim for just a GPU.

However, I wouldn't have a clue when comparing. These all look suitable to me but have different price tags. Any insight as to which would suit my situation best? From what you've said 270+ is going to be a significant upgrade. So for me it appears the CHEAPEST ($219) 270 GPU would be the best... But if I'm going to get decent improvements for $30 more i'd consider it.

Don't want to appear lazy but if anyone could shed some light as to which one I should choose that would be great!

$219 Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 Overclocked 2GB

$219 Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB OC

$229 Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Dual-X OC 2GB

$239 MSI Radeon R9 270 Gaming 2GB

$249 Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Vapor-X 2GB

Thanks again
mathoes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
March 24 2014 08:27 GMT
#5057
I'm feeling the MSI Radeon R9 270 Gaming 2GB
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
March 24 2014 19:27 GMT
#5058
I think that was the one with the issue? Someone else around here mentioned it after i saw it, not sure if it was that card but i think so

270/270x are pretty close, basically the same specs. 270 is usually cheaper than 270x because 270x has higher stock clocks and maybe a little more OC headroom(?)

I was gonna say you could look at 760's too, but they seem way more expensive (like 1.5x) on that site. For similar performance that's quite crazy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
March 24 2014 21:02 GMT
#5059
On March 25 2014 04:27 Cyro wrote:
I think that was the one with the issue? Someone else around here mentioned it after i saw it, not sure if it was that card but i think so

270/270x are pretty close, basically the same specs. 270 is usually cheaper than 270x because 270x has higher stock clocks and maybe a little more OC headroom(?)

I was gonna say you could look at 760's too, but they seem way more expensive (like 1.5x) on that site. For similar performance that's quite crazy


I think with Radeon cards, the quickest way to find out which ones have problems is to check the cryptocoin community. They eat them like candy. I know the 270s had an issue with "twitching" but that was addressed via VBIOS awhile ago. (Of course, that BIOS revision added twitching to my 280x, but I think that's an Asus thing.)
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 22:57:41
March 24 2014 22:57 GMT
#5060
I think with Radeon cards, the quickest way to find out which ones have problems is to check the cryptocoin community. They eat them like candy.


Yea, there was a big thread about them. I think it was the msi gaming 270
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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