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On March 21 2014 03:25 Ropid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't know what you need for 1680x1050. It should be a pretty boring task for any of the current graphics card so you can try to buy something cheap. I am under the impression that NVIDIA drivers are better than AMD drivers on weaker CPUs but this needs research. I don't know about that overpriced issue with regards to AMD. It might have been only in the US, not in Europe, but I don't really know. If you buy an SSD, you can buy a large and quiet 5400 RPM HDD like WD Green (or WD Red if cheap). The very large models are actually pretty fast. If you install some games on the HDD while having Windows and programs on an SSD, it will also feel faster than you'd expect with regards to loading times because the game is the only thing that accesses the HDD. I also think being diligent about doing backups is a lot more comfortable with an SSD. A full backup with the software from Acronis completes in about 10 minutes for me, an incremental backup in four minutes. You can't really feel it working in the background so you can let it run on a schedule without issue. You would then just take care to have all your important stuff on the SSD, only put games and movies and random stuff on the HDD, and it'll eventually save your butt at some point. [ EDIT: I was wrong. A full backup takes about 30 minutes. The part about incremental backups was correct, it really is just one to four minutes.] About the fans, what you could probably try is to put a rather powerful fan in the front. I've seen the new CM Jetflo recommended. It runs at up to 2000 RPM so you will need to be able to control its speed or it will be annoying. You have to find out yourself how you do that with your board. There's a program called SpeedFan that will probably help but it's annoying to learn how to use it. I bet it's possible to remove that one drive cage at the bottom front. That would make the front fan's job easier. Another thing is, there's frames for a 120mm fan that will take up three 5.25" drive slots. You could use that to get another fan in the front. It would change your case into something pretty similar to a modern case. You might also be able to find mesh slot covers for the 5.25" drive slots. You could then tie up a fan inside the drive cage behind the mesh slot covers with cable ties or something. That would be somewhat ugly but cheap. [ EDIT: I have problems finding pictures of the case, but in some of them it seems as if the top half in the front has the same sort of mesh as the bottom half? You might be able to tie a fan inside the 5.25" cage without doing anything to the slot covers and it will still get air from the outside?] You might want to look up the exact name of your PSU and look for a review that judges the parts used on the inside. Don't talk about prices in US dollars because in the US they don't have taxes like over here so the numbers feel off. That WD Blue 500GB is for example less than $60 in the US. 
Thanks for the responses!
Here's what the case looks like: + Show Spoiler +http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-cooler-master-centurion-534/interior-design-5
Removing the bottom HD cage seems like a good idea, though there is already a fan at the side grill there. But for some reason I don't even have a fan in the front anyway, so getting one in should be a first....
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Hey guys, not sure if this will last long~
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Pentium-3-00GHz-Extended-Technology/dp/B00EF1G9DW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395377864&sr=8-1&keywords=pentium
3ghz Haswell pentium £39.99 shipped
Was talking to Alryk and he said "$120 unlocked pentium" so i said that they are not nearly that expensive and checked price, caught this @£39.99 shipped, never seen 4670k below £160. 2 cores, 3ghz, very hard to argue against for a low budget build atm. I'm almost tempted to grab one and a h81 board
I'm not sure if this is a regular thing or not, but it jumped out to me a lot - like wow, wtf. 7850k is ~3.25x as expensive. With the price of h81 boards you could make a very functional system very cheaply
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I have dreams about Pentiums / GTX 750.
It would be the perfect budget rig for running SC2, LoL, Dota 2, CS:GO*, etc at 1080p. An esports rig if you will.
*though doesn't cs:go need like huge fps? which might be too much for a pentium at 3,0 Ghz? pretty sure games using the source engine don't scale past two cores so the pentium is fine in that regard, just clock speed is a bit slowish.
Edit: actually they're going to be releasing unlocked haswell pentiums in the future, which I think is a great thing. THAT would be a great budget rig.
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Yep, $120 4.5Ghz Pentiums are going to be great.
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On August 23 2013 12:56 skyR wrote:AMD A55, A75, or A85X?
These are the chipsets for AMD’s A series processors. Be aware that A55 and A75 are chipsets for both FM1 and FM2 socket motherboards. The two sockets are not interchangeable, you cannot have a FM2 processor in a FM1 motherboard and vice versa.
A55 chipset only has SATA 3Gbps support. This chipset is suggested for a basic build with an A4 or A6 processor. The A75 adds SATA 6Gbps and native USB 3.0 support.
The A85X adds Crossfire support and two additional SATA 6Gbps ports for a total of eight ports, up from the six found on the A75.
AMD 970, 990X, or 990FX?
[list]These are the chipsets for AM3+ motherboards designed for AMD’s FX and Phenom II processors. The 970 is the basic chipset designed for use with a single video card and the 990X adds another PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot, allowing for Crossfire. The 990FX adds additional PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots, allowing support for up to four video cards in Crossfire. [/list]
out of the chipsets for the AMD cpu's which ones can OC? im thinking its the 990FX for the AM3 and the 85x for the FMs??
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On March 21 2014 14:03 Cyro wrote:Hey guys, not sure if this will last long~ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Pentium-3-00GHz-Extended-Technology/dp/B00EF1G9DW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395377864&sr=8-1&keywords=pentium3ghz Haswell pentium £39.99 shipped Was talking to Alryk and he said "$120 unlocked pentium" so i said that they are not nearly that expensive and checked price, caught this @£39.99 shipped, never seen 4670k below £160. 2 cores, 3ghz, very hard to argue against for a low budget build atm. I'm almost tempted to grab one and a h81 board I'm not sure if this is a regular thing or not, but it jumped out to me a lot - like wow, wtf. 7850k is ~3.25x as expensive. With the price of h81 boards you could make a very functional system very cheaply
how can you tell a pentium can be overclocked? since with like i5 and i7, it has the "k" suffix. but what about pentiums?
(and crap, i think i asked this before but i forgot what someone told me )
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You need to research the quality of the "VRM = voltage regulator module" area on the board you are looking at. I think the boards can technically all overclock, but the board has to be able to provide the increased power the CPU will need.
You definitely have to avoid the boards where you don't see a heat-sink on the VRM.
The rest of the boards you still look at after that, you go and check them in this list:
http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database
The "phase count" means there are several chips that work together to provide the power. More phases means each individual chip stays colder overall. There's also different quality of those chips, so higher phase count alone does not have to mean it's good, so you better look up what people that used the board say.
Also, everything about overclocking counts for those FX-9590 CPUs. They need a board that's able to overclock a normal FX-8350 to 5 GHz because the FX-9590 is basically that.
On March 21 2014 20:49 IMKR wrote:how can you tell a pentium can be overclocked? since with like i5 and i7, it has the "k" suffix. but what about pentiums? (and crap, i think i asked this before but i forgot what someone told me )
There is news that Intel will release a Pentium that will be unlocked. It's not yet out. I didn't see anything about how they will name it.
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On March 21 2014 20:59 Ropid wrote:You need to research the quality of the "VRM = voltage regulator module" area on the board you are looking at. I think the boards can technically all overclock, but the board has to be able to provide the increased power the CPU will need. You definitely have to avoid the boards where you don't see a heat-sink on the VRM. The rest of the boards you still look at after that, you go and check them in this list: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-databaseThe "phase count" means there are several chips that work together to provide the power. More phases means each individual chip stays colder overall. There's also different quality of those chips, so higher phase count alone does not have to mean it's good, so you better look up what people that used the board say. Also, everything about overclocking counts for those FX-9590 CPUs. They need a board that's able to overclock a normal FX-8350 to 5 GHz because the FX-9590 is basically that..
so its not like the intel chipsets? where the "z" series are the boards that can OC only.
so for the AMD chipsets, all the boards can OC? (if so, whats the general board to buy if your going to OC? like whats their "z" series equivalent?)
On March 21 2014 20:59 Ropid wrote:
There is news that Intel will release a Pentium that will be unlocked. It's not yet out. I didn't see anything about how they will name it.
but what about in the CPU of disscusion atm, (Intel Pentium G3220). what indicates that it CANT oc? (since with the intels "i" series it has an indicator, "k") even in the past pentiums, like the pentium 4 and such, what part of the name tells us that it can be OC'ed,? since they dont use the k suffix in their pentium lines.
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but what about in the CPU of disscusion atm, (Intel Pentium G3220). what indicates that it CANT oc?
That CPU is £39.99, it's a pretty jaw dropping price for what it is (Haswell dual core @3ghz with basic iGPU)
There's room for a little price bump before 4670k (£165) or 7850k (£130) become a threat.
They didn't use "k" in i5 or i7 either until Sandy Bridge, where they locked the other parts down - they're just adding a "k" pentium
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Intel are simply a bit lame. All of their stuff is locked in general. They have dozens of CPU models and a whole lot of different chipsets for various sockets and there's only a handful CPUs that are not locked.
There's only the Z87 chipset for i5-4670k and i7-4770k and an X79 chipset for three different LGA2011 socket CPUs that use the i7 name.
I think AMD might be locking nothing? You can buy an FX-8320 and try to get it to 5GHz. It's the same CPU as the FX-9590 and will need a similar board and similar cooling. The FX-9590 was just tested and programmed to ask for correct voltages at those high multipliers, while you'll have to experiment and set voltage for those speeds yourself on the FX-8320. I don't know what the chance is to succeed or fail in getting a random FX-8320 to the same speeds as the FX-9590.
I have no idea about their boards. That list I linked to seems to have models with all kinds of chipsets being recommended. It seems to me, it really is just about features you want and the VRM being strong enough. You can't buy very cheap boards because of the VRM issue.
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9370, 9590 are taken from the higher binning 8320's/8350's, at least for reaching those frequencies on normal cooling*, but they're still stock @4.7ghz and only turbo to 5 when you load 1 thread per module iirc - i've seen a lot of people struggling to deal with keeping them cool, getting them to 5ghz on all threads 24/7 and having problems with 240mm CLC cooling and some mobo's (lots of "put a fan on the VRM and the back of the socket, does it work now?") so they're not exactly set and forget like some would have you believe
*They'll probably clock a little higher at given voltage, but not much - Even 200mhz = more than twice as expensive as 8320 for 4% performance gain
Happy birthday skyR!
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On March 21 2014 14:28 Incognoto wrote:
I have dreams about Pentiums / GTX 750.
It would be the perfect budget rig for running SC2, LoL, Dota 2, CS:GO*, etc at 1080p. An esports rig if you will.
*though doesn't cs:go need like huge fps? which might be too much for a pentium at 3,0 Ghz? pretty sure games using the source engine don't scale past two cores so the pentium is fine in that regard, just clock speed is a bit slowish.
Edit: actually they're going to be releasing unlocked haswell pentiums in the future, which I think is a great thing. THAT would be a great budget rig.
you can cap the fps in cs:go if you don't want it shooting to 300. You need to enable console and type "fps_max ##". The first thing I do when I open the game is open console and type fps_max 61 since my screen is only 60hz.
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what chipset is this mobo?
http://www.amazon.com/M5A78L-M-LX-PLUS-Micro-Motherboard/dp/B005WUUFBW/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3
its an AM3+
but it doesnt fit this
AMD 970, 990X, or 990FX?
These are the chipsets for AM3+ motherboards designed for AMD’s FX and Phenom II processors.
The 970 is the basic chipset designed for use with a single video card and the 990X adds another PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot, allowing for Crossfire. The 990FX adds additional PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots, allowing support for up to four video cards in Crossfire.
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oh wow happy birthday skyr
birthday question: are we going to have to Z87 to overclock pentiums (thinking that's it's 95% yes)?
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On March 22 2014 21:02 IMKR wrote:what chipset is this mobo? http://www.amazon.com/M5A78L-M-LX-PLUS-Micro-Motherboard/dp/B005WUUFBW/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3its an AM3+ but it doesnt fit this Show nested quote +AMD 970, 990X, or 990FX?
These are the chipsets for AM3+ motherboards designed for AMD’s FX and Phenom II processors.
The 970 is the basic chipset designed for use with a single video card and the 990X adds another PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot, allowing for Crossfire. The 990FX adds additional PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots, allowing support for up to four video cards in Crossfire.
760G, just like it says, a chipset from 2008 that rolled out around Phenom II. Nobody said that 9xx series was the only ones that support AM3+ and FX-series Bulldozer / Piledriver. Some 7xx and 8xx series chipset boards on AM3 were updated for AM3+ support.
760G is relatively low end in the 7xx series and has very slow integrated graphics on the motherboard. That board has relatively wimpy power delivery and isn't spec'd to handle the most powerful chips that physically fit even at stock conditions. That's not to mention the relatively low number of PCIe lanes and such.
On March 22 2014 22:25 Incognoto wrote:
oh wow happy birthday skyr
birthday question: are we going to have to Z87 to overclock pentiums (thinking that's it's 95% yes)?
Possibly 9 series equivalent (Z97)? But yeah, they're not going to reverse course on which boards have multiplier overclocking.
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On March 22 2014 22:25 Incognoto wrote:
oh wow happy birthday skyr
birthday question: are we going to have to Z87 to overclock pentiums (thinking that's it's 95% yes)?
Happy birthday you
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Do you think you could help my buddy out with a computer build. I have looked through the thread and nothing seems to specifically apply.
He is looking to spend 700. He doesn't need a monitor, keyboard, mouse or windows.
What is your budget? 700
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x
What do you intend to use the computer for? Matlab and Cab, not much gaming
Do you intend to overclock? Probably not
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No
]If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify? No
This would be in the US.
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On March 22 2014 22:25 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +oh wow happy birthday skyr
birthday question: are we going to have to Z87 to overclock pentiums (thinking that's it's 95% yes)?
hbd to you too.
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On March 23 2014 07:54 lightrise wrote:
Do you think you could help my buddy out with a computer build. I have looked through the thread and nothing seems to specifically apply.
He is looking to spend 700. He doesn't need a monitor, keyboard, mouse or windows.
What is your budget? 700
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x
What do you intend to use the computer for? Matlab and Cab, not much gaming
Do you intend to overclock? Probably not
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No
]If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify? No
This would be in the US.
I know from experience of using matlab, that it doesnt require much CPU power. (my laptop with only an i5 3317U was able to solve problems out really quickly. ((i admit that it was from school w/o many extensive coding in our course, so i dont know how it will effect it if theres a long string of math problems, and i dont know what Cab is)
so im wondering if a A8 series would suffice ?? (maybe a fx 6xxx) or a fx 8xxx at the most?
NOTE: this isnt a post to help you out, sorry, im not well versed in this, but this is more of a follow up question.
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Matlab actually commonly needs as much cpu power as you can throw at it, some calcs are only single theaded too, which really hampers calculation speed. That's like saying sc2 doesn't take much cpu power after you've only played the campaign on casual with 40 unit armies.
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