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phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 06:47:04
April 23 2012 06:46 GMT
#2201
Woah woah woah. 2k is way too high. Please post this question in the computer build thread with the proper information required (e.g. monitor resolution, build time, etc). I would be very surprised if it ended up being much over $1k. Especially since the graphics card requirements for SC2 are a complete joke.


Unless you're cruelly asking how to never dip below 60 fps @ ultra @ 1600p during 200v200 fuckfests, or something crazy like that :p
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
April 23 2012 06:51 GMT
#2202
On April 23 2012 15:46 phar wrote:
Woah woah woah. 2k is way too high. Please post this question in the computer build thread with the proper information required (e.g. monitor resolution, build time, etc). I would be very surprised if it ended up being much over $1k. Especially since the graphics card requirements for SC2 are a complete joke.


Unless you're cruelly asking how to never dip below 60 fps @ ultra @ 1600p during 200v200 fuckfests, or something crazy like that :p

Streaming on ultra can be pretty intense. I can play on ultra with 60fps, but if I try to stream above 480p, everything needs to be medium and some low, with stream at 30fps. Hardly anyone streams in HD on ultra, it's just not worth it.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
April 23 2012 07:37 GMT
#2203
Yes, but the price point above ~$1k gets crazy really fast. ~$1k gets you an i7 at like 4.8GHz. There's a big difference between ~$1k and 2~2.5k++, especially when the video card pinned at like $250.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 07:39:30
April 23 2012 07:38 GMT
#2204
Do you think dual xeons are necessary for ultra 1080p streaming? I don't know what else you'd fit into a $2.5k with low GPU requirements. Moreover, would that even do anything? I find it hard to believe that stuff would be that parallelized, given that SC2 takes like 2 threads max.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
April 23 2012 08:07 GMT
#2205
With 1k, I've got an i7 quad core 3.4GHz and it's nowhere close to ultra 1080p capabilities, at least when not overclocked. I've found the best I can push without causing any noticeable gameplay lag at all, which is pretty important, is 720p 25fps stream with game graphics medium and shadows off.

You could push a lot better, won't disagree with that. But I'm also assuming he doesn't want any drop in gameplay quality at all. I could stream in 1080p if I wanted, but my game fps would be irritating. And that's not in ultra. Guess it also depends on whether or not he'd be willing to overclock. 2.5k bit of an exaggeration, but I still don't think the amount it'd cost would be worth it unless you're planning on making a heavy investment on streaming, like as a source of income with 2k+ viewers, hours streaming every day. Else it just seems like such a waste.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 09:47:11
April 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#2206
Hi guys,

I do a fair bit of streaming and i am looking to upgrade my graphics card which is a Nvidia GTX 460. i normally get about 60 frames on medium while streaming.

My Current setup:

i5 2500k Processor (not overclocked)
8gb Gskill RAM @ 1333Mhz
2 x 24i Asus Monitos (1920*1080)
Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 (Motherboard)

If there are any other specs you need let me know ^_^

I want to be able to stream Sc2 At ultra graphics as well as play Diablo3 on the highest settings with a decent frame rate while streaming. My Budget is no more than 350 dollars AUD. i have been looking around at some video cards and here are some of the video cards i am looking at:

Edit: if it turns out that these cards are not
good enough let me know.

MSI Radeon HD 7850 Twin Frozr
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1373&products_id=19823

2 x ASUS GeForce GTX 550 Ti
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1201&products_id=16985

MSI GeForce GTX 570 Twin Frozr
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1177&products_id=19928

I was wondering is SLI/Crossfire would be advantageous for me because of the stream? or would it be better done with a more powerful single GPU. Also am i going to run into limitations of my mother board if i go to high end GPU?

Thanks in advance for the help. - even link me to some reading material so i can learn this stuff better would also be very helpful ^_^

"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
April 23 2012 09:55 GMT
#2207
streaming sc2 is very reliant on CPU, overclocking your CPU will probably yield better result than upgrading your GPU. A (good) aftermarket heatsink will help you overclock your CPU to 4.5~5GHZ and will probably increase your streaming experience. With that spare budget you should've picked up a 2600k to stream, too late now~ But by any means if you want to upgrade your GPU MSI Radeon HD 7850 Twin Frozr is a good choice.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 23 2012 11:52 GMT
#2208
On April 23 2012 17:07 Teliko wrote:
With 1k, I've got an i7 quad core 3.4GHz and it's nowhere close to ultra 1080p capabilities, at least when not overclocked. I've found the best I can push without causing any noticeable gameplay lag at all, which is pretty important, is 720p 25fps stream with game graphics medium and shadows off.

You could push a lot better, won't disagree with that. But I'm also assuming he doesn't want any drop in gameplay quality at all. I could stream in 1080p if I wanted, but my game fps would be irritating. And that's not in ultra. Guess it also depends on whether or not he'd be willing to overclock. 2.5k bit of an exaggeration, but I still don't think the amount it'd cost would be worth it unless you're planning on making a heavy investment on streaming, like as a source of income with 2k+ viewers, hours streaming every day. Else it just seems like such a waste.


You should OC. My 930 @3.8 w/ HT disabled for thermal headroom can do 720p 24FPS easily, and anything SB can smoke that clock for clock, with higher OCs easily.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 14:01:05
April 23 2012 14:00 GMT
#2209
Hey guys, please remember the rules of this thread:

What not to ask in this thread

What is a good processor? (Situational)

What does graphics card additional RAM do? (Google / Benchmarks)

Help me find a computer for SC2 please? (Too generic)

HP or Dell overall? (Survey / spam question)


Computer build questions or computer upgrade questions should really be in the Computer Build Resource thread.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
knightwulf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada174 Posts
April 23 2012 14:16 GMT
#2210
I did not mean to cause a riot. I was looking ballpark figures. I am headed to work for the summer and will make lots of extra money. I was wondering how much to set aside for a computer. 1-2k ty. In the build computer thread I will ask specifics in 3 months tech support y'all rock.

- Knightwulf.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 16:33:01
April 23 2012 16:32 GMT
#2211
Sounds good.

On April 23 2012 17:07 Teliko wrote:
With 1k, I've got an i7 quad core 3.4GHz and it's nowhere close to ultra 1080p capabilities, at least when not overclocked. I've found the best I can push without causing any noticeable gameplay lag at all, which is pretty important, is 720p 25fps stream with game graphics medium and shadows off.

You could push a lot better, won't disagree with that. But I'm also assuming he doesn't want any drop in gameplay quality at all. I could stream in 1080p if I wanted, but my game fps would be irritating. And that's not in ultra. Guess it also depends on whether or not he'd be willing to overclock. 2.5k bit of an exaggeration, but I still don't think the amount it'd cost would be worth it unless you're planning on making a heavy investment on streaming, like as a source of income with 2k+ viewers, hours streaming every day. Else it just seems like such a waste.

Yes but you can OC an i7 (at least the SB variety) to like 4.7 easily on air.


There isn't really a significantly better clock-for-clock processor out there...
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Rynzser_r
Profile Joined November 2011
275 Posts
April 23 2012 17:58 GMT
#2212
yo can a AMD Phenom X4 965 3,400Mhz run a stream?
HigaraUMN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States18 Posts
April 23 2012 18:05 GMT
#2213
Apologies in advance, but this seemed the best place to post this question:

How do sites like TL display which streams are live? Is it a simple matter a la embedding youtube videos, or does it take a great deal more effort?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 23 2012 18:17 GMT
#2214
On April 24 2012 02:58 Tungaska wrote:
yo can a AMD Phenom X4 965 3,400Mhz run a stream?


Depends on the stream settings. Not a good one, though.
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 18:30:31
April 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#2215
On April 23 2012 20:52 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 17:07 Teliko wrote:
With 1k, I've got an i7 quad core 3.4GHz and it's nowhere close to ultra 1080p capabilities, at least when not overclocked. I've found the best I can push without causing any noticeable gameplay lag at all, which is pretty important, is 720p 25fps stream with game graphics medium and shadows off.

You could push a lot better, won't disagree with that. But I'm also assuming he doesn't want any drop in gameplay quality at all. I could stream in 1080p if I wanted, but my game fps would be irritating. And that's not in ultra. Guess it also depends on whether or not he'd be willing to overclock. 2.5k bit of an exaggeration, but I still don't think the amount it'd cost would be worth it unless you're planning on making a heavy investment on streaming, like as a source of income with 2k+ viewers, hours streaming every day. Else it just seems like such a waste.


You should OC. My 930 @3.8 w/ HT disabled for thermal headroom can do 720p 24FPS easily, and anything SB can smoke that clock for clock, with higher OCs easily.

Been wanting to, but being cautious about it. I only recently built this computer, so I've been putting it off. My housemate recently overclocked his i5 and it ended up killing his computer and we had to reset the CMOS on the motherboard. Don't really have much knowledge about overclocking, so for now I just associate it with that.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 23 2012 18:35 GMT
#2216
On April 24 2012 03:05 HigaraUMN wrote:
Apologies in advance, but this seemed the best place to post this question:

How do sites like TL display which streams are live? Is it a simple matter a la embedding youtube videos, or does it take a great deal more effort?


It's more complicated. There are specific APIs which are used as part of the scripting on the page.

Apparently they have an entire wiki devoted to it: http://apiwiki.justin.tv/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

Of course, every streaming website uses slightly different APIs to embedd the stream info.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
HigaraUMN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States18 Posts
April 23 2012 18:45 GMT
#2217
On April 24 2012 03:35 TheToast wrote:
Apparently they have an entire wiki devoted to it: http://apiwiki.justin.tv/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page


Great straightforward answer. Thanks!
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
April 23 2012 18:50 GMT
#2218
If speedtest.net shows that i have for example - 4.5 mb upload, does that mean i should practically be able utilise all 4.5mb/s'?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 23 2012 18:52 GMT
#2219
I'm assuming you know the difference between mBps and Mbps so the answer to your question is yes.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 23 2012 18:53 GMT
#2220
On April 24 2012 03:50 Josh_rakoons wrote:
If speedtest.net shows that i have for example - 4.5 mb upload, does that mean i should practically be able utilise all 4.5mb/s'?


Yes and no. Speedtest.net often chooses a mirror geographically close, might even be on the same ISP. Depending on where you are uploading to, the servers may be far away on a different ISP. Transferring data over long distances and multiple networks could result in lost packets which in turn can result in lower speeds. The network speed of the ISP for the server you are trying to upload to may also be slower, resulting again in lower speeds. But for the most part, you should get close to that 4.5Mb rate.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
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