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CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
October 19 2010 18:48 GMT
#161
You can hear the springs in Cherry MX boards, depending mostly on how much you're paying attention. The spring sound isn't as loud as with something like a Model M. There's a thread on geekhack.org about it.

On October 20 2010 03:03 semantics wrote:
I like pie.

Did a keyboard run over your dog? Why is it so important for you that everyone agrees with you about this particular subject? Is it that impossible for you to believe that keyboard preference is subjective?
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 19:05:08
October 19 2010 19:02 GMT
#162
you do know exactly what you said could be turned on yourself why must you get everyone to believe that mech keyboards are a god send. Did you're keyboard save your life against a bear attack or something?
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
October 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#163
On October 20 2010 04:02 semantics wrote:
you do know exactly what you said could be turned on yourself why must you get everyone to believe that mech keyboards are a god send. Did you're keyboard save your life against a bear attack or something?


I wouldn't be surprised if there are verifiable reports of people using an IBM model M to fend off a wild animal attack...

CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
October 19 2010 19:15 GMT
#164
If you actually look at what I've written, I've never said anything of the kind. In fact, I've repeatedly said that a keyboard or mouse or anything else won't make you a better gamer by itself, but that there are many reasons why they're still a good investment (durability, comfort, longevity, etc.). Mostly I've been answering questions.

Meanwhile you've been accusing people of having their head up their ass just because they prefer using a different kind of keyboard from you. Have I ever called you an idiot for preferring a membrane keyboard?
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 19:31:55
October 19 2010 19:24 GMT
#165
On October 20 2010 04:15 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
If you actually look at what I've written, I've never said anything of the kind. In fact, I've repeatedly said that a keyboard or mouse or anything else won't make you a better gamer by itself, but that there are many reasons why they're still a good investment (durability, comfort, longevity, etc.). Mostly I've been answering questions.

Meanwhile you've been accusing people of having their head up their ass just because they prefer using a different kind of keyboard from you. Have I ever called you an idiot for preferring a membrane keyboard?

except you been inflating durability comfort and longevity. Mechanical keyboards can withstand more key presses this is true. But they are also weak to crumbs dust and hair more so then normal cheap ones. So unless you take good care of them they don't last. If you are going to take good care of the keyboard even a cheap dome one will last a very very long time.

Comfort is completely opinion based mechanical switches benefit strictly depending to how you time if you type with your finger where the finger print would be or if you type straight down with your nails.

Also you may not be the one that tout it will do you better in a game or anything but that is the implied notion that people keep giving out esp in the fruitdealer thread.
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
October 19 2010 19:38 GMT
#166
But they are also weak to crumbs dust and hair more so then normal cheap ones.

I think the number of old mechanical keyboards still in service after pretty extreme abuse would disagree with you. Remember that one of the primary markets for mechanical keyboards these days are industrial applications, point of sale systems, etc. where keyboards endure a lot of abuse.

But again, why do you feel the need to call people names or accuse them of wasting money because they happen to disagree with you?
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
Archduke
Profile Joined May 2010
United States119 Posts
October 20 2010 11:36 GMT
#167
On October 20 2010 01:18 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 21:42 Archduke wrote:
Does FILCO make a tenkeyless otaku board? If they do, it's not listed on elitekeyboards.com.

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87mewek
you just don't dig enough


I know I didn't specify, but I don't want a white board. Also that board is out of stock currently.

I suppose I could just buy blank replacement keys if I really wanted to, but I think I'll just go with the tactile click tenkeyless.

Thanks again, TL.

`Duke
"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
October 20 2010 14:36 GMT
#168
A picture to make your choice easier:

[image loading]
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 20 2010 15:00 GMT
#169
Just got my Majestouch NKO (Browns) today and i have to say, it is a dream of a keyboard. Everything about it just screams quality. I was also quite torn on whether to get blues or browns but now that i have it, i'm happy that i went with the latter. The audio feeback is there but not as clickly and high pitched as the blues which is fantastic. Also they feel absolutely wonderful to type/play games with. I'd recommend it to anyone who has some extra money to spend on peripherals.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Spoh
Profile Joined March 2007
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 18:21:56
October 20 2010 18:21 GMT
#170
For those of you wanting to know the difference in sound with the different types of mechanical keyboards you can get, check out this video: http://www.viddler.com/explore/HotHardware/videos/69/

Hopefully it will help some of you out in making a more informed decision.
Neo21803
Profile Joined April 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 18:32:24
October 20 2010 18:31 GMT
#171
I also just got my Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch in the mail today. Before I was using a Cherry G80-3000LSCRC2 which has Cherry MX Blue swiches. I love both keyboards to death, and I will never part with my beloved Cherry keyboard.

Some things that I've noticed immediately are:
1. It's somewhat easier to notice a typo on the Cherry keyboard than my Filco. This could be simply because it's a new keyboard. Sometimes the click gives my senses an "additional verification" that I might have hit a wrong key.
2. My WPM is on average about 5% less on the Filco. Again, this could and probably is simply because it's a new keyboard. (My wpm dropped from 105 to 100)
3. The Filco is WAY more comfortable. My Cherry keyboard has additional space on the bottom of the keyboard that I got used to. But once I got rid of it, it feels way more comfortable without it on the Filco. BUT, now that I think about it, you might want to invest in a wrist rest for ergonomics. I think there's serious potential for Carpal Tunnel without it.
4. Obviously the brown switches are WAY quieter than the blue ones. Definitely a plus.
5. Both keyboards are of exceptional quality, and I absolutely recommend them both. I do not own a Filco with Blue switches but I'm assuming, aside from the overall shape of the keyboard, the switches operate and sound very similar to my Cherry keyboard.

Up to you. I think for writing papers, I will switch back to my Cherry. But for gaming, definitely using the Filco.
There is no spoone - The Matricks
Kogut
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 19:14:56
October 20 2010 19:14 GMT
#172
[image loading]

That's my Otaku (with Cherry MX Blue switches) that FedEx just dropped off today courtesy of Brian and Elite Keyboards. This thing is a beast. By far the most durable feeling and looking keyboard that I have ever owned, and I've had a few in my 22 years. Typing is a dream, and the amount of force it takes to push the keys down is almost nothing. I'm bottoming out most of the keystrokes because of the finger habits of years of shoddy membrane keyboards. My fingers want to move on to the next key once they feel the click, but I'm still trained to bottom everything out. :| It's getting better and better as I type to people about how awesome this thing is, though. The clicking sound really is not very loud at all (probably a bit less than the click of my G9, honestly). I'm so happy that I got this thing, and I can't wait to get on the ladder later tonight and test it out in a game!

I've tried to encounter the "double press" issue that people describe with blues, and I can make it happen, but it's just a matter of letting it reset (which you can feel and hear usually) before pressing the key again. It's actually been repeating the keystroke as if the key was held down when I try and test it out usually. I really can't see it being an issue in-game since you typically let the key rebound a bit anyways (and boy do these things snap back up!!) before pressing it again.

Oh, and it came with the traditional Windows keys (with the circle in the middle) and a black escape key, but the replacements were in baggies packed away with the board. I swapped them out without even having one of those key-puller deals, and it took all of 2 minutes because I was so worried about hurting these (seemingly bulletproof) switches.

Thank you so much to those of you who have contributed to threads like this, as the information has been invaluable in helping my decision process.
CHILL GET OUT
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
October 20 2010 22:58 GMT
#173
On October 21 2010 04:14 Kogut wrote:
[image loading]

That's my Otaku (with Cherry MX Blue switches) that FedEx just dropped off today courtesy of Brian and Elite Keyboards. This thing is a beast. By far the most durable feeling and looking keyboard that I have ever owned, and I've had a few in my 22 years. Typing is a dream, and the amount of force it takes to push the keys down is almost nothing. I'm bottoming out most of the keystrokes because of the finger habits of years of shoddy membrane keyboards. My fingers want to move on to the next key once they feel the click, but I'm still trained to bottom everything out. :| It's getting better and better as I type to people about how awesome this thing is, though. The clicking sound really is not very loud at all (probably a bit less than the click of my G9, honestly). I'm so happy that I got this thing, and I can't wait to get on the ladder later tonight and test it out in a game!

I've tried to encounter the "double press" issue that people describe with blues, and I can make it happen, but it's just a matter of letting it reset (which you can feel and hear usually) before pressing the key again. It's actually been repeating the keystroke as if the key was held down when I try and test it out usually. I really can't see it being an issue in-game since you typically let the key rebound a bit anyways (and boy do these things snap back up!!) before pressing it again.

Oh, and it came with the traditional Windows keys (with the circle in the middle) and a black escape key, but the replacements were in baggies packed away with the board. I swapped them out without even having one of those key-puller deals, and it took all of 2 minutes because I was so worried about hurting these (seemingly bulletproof) switches.

Thank you so much to those of you who have contributed to threads like this, as the information has been invaluable in helping my decision process.


Thanks for this, very insightful. Just wondering, how exactly did you pop the keycaps off? I'm trying to think of a way to do it without damaging the keyboard. :p
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 20 2010 23:16 GMT
#174
What do they mean with Sound and tactile feedback in the picture above?
i dunno lol
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
October 20 2010 23:22 GMT
#175
It means that at a point in the stroke where the key actuates, there's a feeling of a "bump" and a clicky sound to give you feedback to let you know the key has actuated (Cherry MX Blue switches). There's also an option for Cherry MX Brown switches which have the "bump" but without the extra clicky sound. And there's Cherry MX Black switches which have a higher actuation force and no bump and no clicky sound.

You can listen to audio recordings of different keyboards with different switches here.
Also read this mechanical keyboard primer if you have other questions.
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
Kogut
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 23:51:50
October 20 2010 23:51 GMT
#176
On October 21 2010 07:58 scottyyy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 21 2010 04:14 Kogut wrote:
[image loading]

That's my Otaku (with Cherry MX Blue switches) that FedEx just dropped off today courtesy of Brian and Elite Keyboards. This thing is a beast. By far the most durable feeling and looking keyboard that I have ever owned, and I've had a few in my 22 years. Typing is a dream, and the amount of force it takes to push the keys down is almost nothing. I'm bottoming out most of the keystrokes because of the finger habits of years of shoddy membrane keyboards. My fingers want to move on to the next key once they feel the click, but I'm still trained to bottom everything out. :| It's getting better and better as I type to people about how awesome this thing is, though. The clicking sound really is not very loud at all (probably a bit less than the click of my G9, honestly). I'm so happy that I got this thing, and I can't wait to get on the ladder later tonight and test it out in a game!

I've tried to encounter the "double press" issue that people describe with blues, and I can make it happen, but it's just a matter of letting it reset (which you can feel and hear usually) before pressing the key again. It's actually been repeating the keystroke as if the key was held down when I try and test it out usually. I really can't see it being an issue in-game since you typically let the key rebound a bit anyways (and boy do these things snap back up!!) before pressing it again.

Oh, and it came with the traditional Windows keys (with the circle in the middle) and a black escape key, but the replacements were in baggies packed away with the board. I swapped them out without even having one of those key-puller deals, and it took all of 2 minutes because I was so worried about hurting these (seemingly bulletproof) switches.

Thank you so much to those of you who have contributed to threads like this, as the information has been invaluable in helping my decision process.


Thanks for this, very insightful. Just wondering, how exactly did you pop the keycaps off? I'm trying to think of a way to do it without damaging the keyboard. :p


I literally just pulled them out by grabbing them. lol. They ease off a bit tough, but they go back on without much effort. I had to remove the cntrl keys to get access to the Windows keys (they came with the stock ones featuring the circle in the middle, but that's simply because I don't have small fingers. I'm sure if I sought out a female in the house, it could've been easily done. Once you see that it's really just a + shape for the top of the switch and a corresponding + cut out of the key, you realize that you really can't hurt it too much. If the WASD keys were available unprinted for the Majestouch boards, I would've gone with those and had the removal tool. I almost bought just the removal tool to have one, but I don't see myself actually using one much in the future. I do LOVE the red escape key on the solid black board.
CHILL GET OUT
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
October 21 2010 00:01 GMT
#177
Thanks dude.

Now I'm trying to convince myself to just buy a brand new Filco instead of being a cheap bastard and looking for a used one. Does the red esc key come with the keyboard by default or do you have to buy that? Same question about the blue WASD keys if you know about that.

Cheers
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 21 2010 00:06 GMT
#178
On October 21 2010 09:01 scottyyy wrote:
Thanks dude.

Now I'm trying to convince myself to just buy a brand new Filco instead of being a cheap bastard and looking for a used one. Does the red esc key come with the keyboard by default or do you have to buy that? Same question about the blue WASD keys if you know about that.

Cheers


Red esc key is included with all the majestouch keyboards. You have to buy the blue wasd keys separately.
-Simplicity-
Profile Joined May 2010
United States83 Posts
October 21 2010 00:24 GMT
#179
I can't decide between the Filco Majestouch with brown switches and the Steelseries 6GV2 with black switches. I think I'll be happy with either brown or black switches (never tried a mechanical keyboard before) so the difference there doesn't concern me. Is there a big difference in quality between the two or are they both good enough that I should pick based on small factors like whether or not I want media keys? Oh and that leads to my second question. Is there anyway to bind the function keys on a standard keyboard to volume up/down like the media keys on say the 6GV2?
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 00:39:39
October 21 2010 00:39 GMT
#180
On October 21 2010 09:24 -Simplicity- wrote:
Oh and that leads to my second question. Is there anyway to bind the function keys on a standard keyboard to volume up/down like the media keys on say the 6GV2?


Yeah, you can use this:

http://www.autohotkey.com/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Keyboard-Media-Controls-for-Windows-with-AutoHotKe/

Regarding black vs brown switches - it depends how much force you like to use when pressing a key down. Black switches require a lot more force to press, so most people's fingers get tired when typing for a long period of time with black switches. That's a generalization but one I hear a lot.
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