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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Koranr
Profile Joined December 2011
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 03:48:54
June 20 2012 03:30 GMT
#22821
Hi TL,

I just graduated from college and got a job so i figure its time to take make the upgrade from my mac book pro and build a real gaming computer. I'm looking for a good gaming computer that is going to be able to play SC with high quality graphics (either high or ultra), as well as being able to be powerful enough other games with high graphics and a high FPS. I'm also an editor, so having a powerful computer that would be able to run avid/final cut would be something that would be awesome, but if that causes a big price increase that its not something necessary by any means. Here are the questions that i answered for the build:

Budget:
$1500

Resolution:
1920x1080 (I can connect with either HDMI or Display Port)

What are you using it for:
This is mainly going to be a gaming computer that i'd like to be able to handle high quality graphics with a strong FPS. However, i'm also an editor so a powerful computer that could render, compress, and edit videos easily would be something i am interested in, but not if its going to cause the build to go over budget. Also, a BLU-Ray drive (to play not write) would be something i want if i don't have to sacrifice performance and it will stay within my budget.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I'd like to have a longer upgrade cycle (2+ years), but if the difference in performance is significant one way or the other, i'd prefer the more powerful computer

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible, i plan to start ordering parts once i have locked down a build.

Do you plan on overclocking?
No, i don't plan on overclocking

Do you need an OS?
No, i already have Windows 7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'm not familiar with either, so right now i dont plan on using them. However, if it gives a significant performance upgrade and is easy enough to figure out then i would be receptive to the idea.

Where are you buying your parts from?
I planned on ordering the parts from an online retailer (probably newegg). I live in Massachusetts, so if there is a well known parts store in teh area that can give a good deal that someone knows about i am also open to that.

Thanks a lot for your help guys!
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
June 20 2012 06:27 GMT
#22822
On June 20 2012 12:30 Koranr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hi TL,

I just graduated from college and got a job so i figure its time to take make the upgrade from my mac book pro and build a real gaming computer. I'm looking for a good gaming computer that is going to be able to play SC with high quality graphics (either high or ultra), as well as being able to be powerful enough other games with high graphics and a high FPS. I'm also an editor, so having a powerful computer that would be able to run avid/final cut would be something that would be awesome, but if that causes a big price increase that its not something necessary by any means. Here are the questions that i answered for the build:

Budget:
$1500

Resolution:
1920x1080 (I can connect with either HDMI or Display Port)

What are you using it for:
This is mainly going to be a gaming computer that i'd like to be able to handle high quality graphics with a strong FPS. However, i'm also an editor so a powerful computer that could render, compress, and edit videos easily would be something i am interested in, but not if its going to cause the build to go over budget. Also, a BLU-Ray drive (to play not write) would be something i want if i don't have to sacrifice performance and it will stay within my budget.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I'd like to have a longer upgrade cycle (2+ years), but if the difference in performance is significant one way or the other, i'd prefer the more powerful computer

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible, i plan to start ordering parts once i have locked down a build.

Do you plan on overclocking?
No, i don't plan on overclocking

Do you need an OS?
No, i already have Windows 7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'm not familiar with either, so right now i dont plan on using them. However, if it gives a significant performance upgrade and is easy enough to figure out then i would be receptive to the idea.

Where are you buying your parts from?
I planned on ordering the parts from an online retailer (probably newegg). I live in Massachusetts, so if there is a well known parts store in the area that can give a good deal that someone knows about i am also open to that.

Thanks a lot for your help guys!

Considering your budget, the extra $50 for 600MHz I believe is worth it.

i5-3550 & Blu-Ray Burner $267.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.972518

ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 1.5v & Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower $120.98 ($110.98AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.961664

Gigabyte GTX 670 OC $399.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125423

Plexor M3 128GB SATA III SSD $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249014

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB $99.99 with Promo Code FBWDHD20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Cooler Master hyper 212+ $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Total: $1203.90
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 20 2012 15:44 GMT
#22823
@Koranr I generally agree with Snypah's build, but I would suggest changes to processor and case. The first: get an i7-3770 instead of the i5 for CPU. It will give you zero extra performance when gaming, but will be more powerful for rendering, graphics editing, etc. For case, I'd suggest you consider a Corsair 550d, which is quite well regarded as a quiet-computing case.

Everything else is relatively unimportant, though I might not bother to pay the premium for the caviar black drive and you can drop the coolermaster hyper 212+ since you're not overclocking and just use the stock intel heatsink (or, if you're suuuuper into quiet computing, get an HR-02 Macho instead).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
June 20 2012 15:56 GMT
#22824
On June 21 2012 00:44 MisterFred wrote:
@Koranr I generally agree with Snypah's build, but I would suggest changes to processor and case. The first: get an i7-3770 instead of the i5 for CPU. It will give you zero extra performance when gaming, but will be more powerful for rendering, graphics editing, etc. For case, I'd suggest you consider a Corsair 550d, which is quite well regarded as a quiet-computing case.

Everything else is relatively unimportant, though I might not bother to pay the premium for the caviar black drive and you can drop the coolermaster hyper 212+ since you're not overclocking and just use the stock intel heatsink (or, if you're suuuuper into quiet computing, get an HR-02 Macho instead).

I don't know, running an Ivy Bridge at 3.7Ghz on stock Intel cooler just seems like a bad idea even if the temps are still in a reasonable range. Right now the Caviar Black 1TB is the same price as the Caviar Blue 1TB, so I don't get the premium thing unless your talking about the Seagate 2TB.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 16:57:03
June 20 2012 16:46 GMT
#22825
On June 20 2012 04:54 Tryxtira wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi! I would love to get a list of stuff as well as questions about the computer I'm going to buy. I'm going to use the template in the OP. Please ask questions and question my thoughts. I built my old computer and used to be up-to-date back then. I've been stuck with laptops since then and is clueless when it comes to stationary computers.

Thank you!

What is your budget?

Between 1500 and 2000 dollars, 1200-1600 euros, and for my fellow swedes, 10000-14000 SEK.
I'm aiming for something in the middle of those numbers but to be honest, the cheaper the better. The most value out of the money between those numbers is maybe the best way to put it.

What is your resolution?

Dont know, will update asap!

What are you using it for?

Gaming and obvious stuff like writing papers. I would love to be able to play the newest games on as high graphics as possible, but my main game is DOTA2 which obviously isn't as demanding. Being able to stream Dota2 might also be interesting but is not something I've thought about since my current computer couldn't handle it.

What is your upgrade cycle?

I would love to be one of those guys who continuesly upgrades his computer in a smart way. Maybe I will after the huge research I will put down for this buy. However, so far in my life, I've only bought complete new PCs once every 3 years or so.

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as possible. I would buy the parts tomorrow if I was happy with them.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Maybe, but don't put any extra coolingstuff in it. I might overclock it, but as you can tell, I'm not too much into hardware.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Yes, it would be nifty to in the future have an easy upgrade of the computer by just putting in an extra graphic card.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Whereever it's cheapest. Example of swedish sites is "komplett.se", "inet.se", "webhallen.se". But put it together from anywhere and I'll look for whereever I can find that part the cheapest myself!


Thanks alot guys!
<3


Komplett was easier to navigate, so I just looked there.

CPU - this really depends on whether you want the option to overclock in the future or not and if you want to spend money on streaming. An i7 is better for streaming (though an i5 should stream DOTA2 fine unless you want super-duper high quality), but not better for gaming or casual use and probably not worth the money. The options:
i5-3450 (only moderate interest in streaming, no desire to overclock later - 1648 SEK)
i5-3570k (moderate interest in streaming, potential to overclock later - recommended - 1985 SEK)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
i7-3770 (very high interest in streaming, no desire to overclock later - 2629 SEK)
i7-3770k (very high interest in streaming, potential to overclock later - 2875 SEK)

Motherboard: MSI z77-g43 (948)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url

CPU Cooler: Intel Stock Heatsink that comes with the processor, though I recommend the HR-02 Macho if you decide to overclock later or are super into quiet computing.

GPU: EVGA 670 (3699)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=751465&usg=ALkJrhinru_g7E2IDymQjgzNgubVIQnGbQ
This is the "newest games on as high graphics as possible" part. If your monitor's resolution is under 1920x1080, this will be massive overkill regardless of the game, but will be ready to go for future monitor upgrades.

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz (475)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=744179&usg=ALkJrhjWIJ_BEsFTJ5Fc_AMNIC5SyRDv4w

Case: Fractal Design R3 (899)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=648535&usg=ALkJrhgphzC452jFcjHDzM1NE2uxxvKzHg
Case is largely a matter of aesthetic practice. This is pretty good case, and built to be relatively quiet. Comes in a few other colors.

HDD: Caviar Blue 500gb (616)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=620189&usg=ALkJrhic1y4bd9dgbdrp8-qSf7kI-BBcCA
If you want more storage, it's not so expensive. You can get 2TB for about 1000-1100 SEK for instance.

SSD: Crucial m4 128gb (995)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=630675&usg=ALkJrhg82kaxSNHMdxXxcH_hQATusLQy-A
Anything you fit on the SSD will load zoom-zoom fast. There are other good models, like the Samsung 830 for about 100 SEK more, but Crucial is both cheaper and reliable.

DVD-burner (195)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=645800&usg=ALkJrhhj3fpUCRwTCDEG3FPYVGptfxjN_g

PSU: XFX Core 550w (545)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
The 450w version would be enough, but this is 10 SEK more and comes with 2 graphics card adapters, so you won't have to use an adapter for cards that take 2 power inputs.

OS: Windows Home Premium 64-bit OEM. (885)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
The 'OEM' part means it's a non-transferrable license should you get a new computer. The non-OEM version just makes it legal to use the same copy for your next computer, though it's only a little under double the price.

Total: ~11242 SEK, not including shipping and I dunno on taxes. As for modifying the build... there's not really any great way to buy better, more expensive, components unless you want to plan on doubling graphics cards latter (not recommended for single-screen gaming), want to get an i7, want a bigger HDD, or want to add the HR-02 Macho for overclocking. Spend any additional monies on peripherals, saving for a kick-ass monitor, or good games, in my opinion.

There are several options for reducing the cost, including dropping the SSD, going with a processor/mobo that isn't the best but still pretty darn good for games (though not streaming) - meaning an i3 cpu/h61 mobo, or getting a lesser graphics card. Something like a 6870 would still max games like DOTA 2 and allow medium-high graphics for other games, and it would be a few thousand SEK less.

But the above is what I'd go with, given what you told me in the questions.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 20 2012 16:50 GMT
#22826
On June 21 2012 00:56 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 00:44 MisterFred wrote:
@Koranr I generally agree with Snypah's build, but I would suggest changes to processor and case. The first: get an i7-3770 instead of the i5 for CPU. It will give you zero extra performance when gaming, but will be more powerful for rendering, graphics editing, etc. For case, I'd suggest you consider a Corsair 550d, which is quite well regarded as a quiet-computing case.

Everything else is relatively unimportant, though I might not bother to pay the premium for the caviar black drive and you can drop the coolermaster hyper 212+ since you're not overclocking and just use the stock intel heatsink (or, if you're suuuuper into quiet computing, get an HR-02 Macho instead).

I don't know, running an Ivy Bridge at 3.7Ghz on stock Intel cooler just seems like a bad idea even if the temps are still in a reasonable range. Right now the Caviar Black 1TB is the same price as the Caviar Blue 1TB, so I don't get the premium thing unless your talking about the Seagate 2TB.


Deskstars are literally $30 more for 1TB more storage space. If you only want 1TB, just get a Samsung drive for $70.

There is always a reason for sales.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 20 2012 17:20 GMT
#22827
On June 21 2012 00:56 iTzSnypah wrote:

I don't know, running an Ivy Bridge at 3.7Ghz on stock Intel cooler just seems like a bad idea even if the temps are still in a reasonable range. Right now the Caviar Black 1TB is the same price as the Caviar Blue 1TB, so I don't get the premium thing unless your talking about the Seagate 2TB.


Well I didn't actually look at the current prices for the two HDDs, I just assumed. Sorry, heh. And I should think the stock cooler will be fine for running an ivy bridge at stock. Then again, I'm not one to talk. I have an HR-02 Macho sitting on top of a g850 just for noise purposes, lol.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 20:36:40
June 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#22828
On June 20 2012 11:26 Toast_ wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, finally ready to get a decent build together as playing sc2 on my xps laptop works, but is not ideal.

So, without further ado, here are my list of requests (thanks in advance for all the help you give to people)

What is your budget?

Around 1000-1500, It is not firm at all though- I have plenty in the bank if needed if it was worth the increase in price- but I think this will likely be the range I am looking at for what I want the build to do. (I do need a monitor and a OS with this build)

What is your resolution?

I need a monitor- but I am assuming it will end up 1980x1020

What are you using it for?

Gaming- SC2 mostly, Photoshop, that will be about the most demanding I will be using it for. I am sure I will pick up some other games as well- but I game a lot less than I used too (still have most of skirm to go through)

What is your upgrade cycle?

Long- I am lazy and do not push things to their limit- and currently play SC2 on lowest settings to not overtax my laptop. I would say 5ish years

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as I have the parts.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Nope- I am not that smart

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Dont think I will need to

Where are you buying your parts from?

Anywhere I can- unfortunately no fry's around me, so will be using the world wide web for most of it.


As I said I do need a monitor- but I have a power supply (Antec 400w 80 bronze unit- So I hope that will work)

Again, thanks for your time

Matt


I'm going to present two basic options. First, you want to get a big, nice monitor with a powerful graphics card capable of making it shine with even hard to run games (the "I like my toys and money isn't much of an issue" option). But SC2 doesn't need a great graphics card, and you certainly don't need a monster system to have a good gaming computer. So the second option will be the "look, I don't play Shogun 2:Total War on 3 monitors. Just give me something pretty good that doesn't break the bank" option. Which one you choose will basically depend on how much you value money vs playing every game on super high graphics settings.

CPU: i5-3450 ($190)
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=70543
Will not be able to overclock. Other than that, very high end gaming CPU.

Mobo: MSI H67 ($80, $60 AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130616
If you don't mind rebates you can get a decent board for almost as cheap as a super-budget board.

CPU Cooler: Stock intel heatsink.

GPU (Option 1): EVGA 670 ($400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130782
One of the best graphics cards available today, should run almost all games at maximum settings on a 1920x1080 monitor, though for some you might need to turn off AA. Will run pretty much anything on at least "high" settings on a 2560x1440 monitor.

GPU (Option 2): XFX 6870 ($170, $140 AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150521
This is going to run SC2, Diablo 3, and other moderate-to-easy to run games on maximum, so you won't be sacrificing performance there. Even for hard to run games, you should be able to get high or at least medium graphics on a 1920x1080 monitor. Great price/performance option.

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz ram ($43)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231542

Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($47)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix
Kind of a matter of preference. You could get a flashy z9 or z11, a standard haf 912 bitfenix outlaw, or spend more for a quieter case like a p280, fractal design r3, or a 550d. This case I linked is a decent budget case. If you want a super-nice quiet case, I'd suggest looking at the corsair 550d, which has been very well reviewed (us.ncix.com).

PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450C ($35)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1027
pretty good deal on a quality if not spectacular power supply.

DVD-burner ($15)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb ($65)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&vpn=ST500DM002&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1027
If you want more space, there's plenty of options, even up 3TB for $177 (www.newegg.com).

SSD: Crucial m4 128gb ($120)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&promoid=1027
An unnecessary luxury, but still nice. Programs you fit on the SSD will load zoom-zoom fast.

OS: Windows Home Premium 64-bit OEM. ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1027
The 'OEM' part means it's a non-transferrable license should you get a new computer

Monitor (Option 1): Either one of the relatively cheap 27" 2560x1440 monitors (see bottom of Team Liquid Monitor Thread original post, and you'll probably want to post in there for advice on where to get which one) or a fancy 24" 120hz monitor like the Benq xl2420t (or tx, if you want the 3d glasses). Personally, I'd highly recommend the big monitor, but some people swear by the 120hz options. Either will be about $400 or a little more.

Monitor (Option 2): A Dell ultrasharp u2312hm is a very high quality but otherwise ordinary 23" monitor. Should cost roughly $220-235 @ someplace like amazon.com. Again, you can check the Team Liquid Monitor Thread for more options, but this one is very often recommended.

Totals (all AFTER mail in rebates):
EVGA 670+ an option 1 monitor: $1460
EVGA 670+ the option 2 monitor: $1290
XFX 6870+ an option 1 monitor - not recommended.
XFX 6870+ an option 2 monitor: $1030

Of course there are other ways to modify the build, such as dropping the SSD or getting that Corsair 550d for $70 more, but there you go.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
June 20 2012 17:59 GMT
#22829
stop recommending seagate and wd hard drives. If you buy them, they obviously believe their practice is fine.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 20 2012 18:10 GMT
#22830
On June 21 2012 02:59 Shauni wrote:
stop recommending seagate and wd hard drives. If you buy them, they obviously believe their practice is fine.


wtf? I'm not happy about the pricing either, but a duopoly is what it is (well...Toshiba too). You're going to blame consumers for picking among what's available on the market?

Or are you going to subsidize all our non-hard-drive storage purchases?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2012 18:21 GMT
#22831
You realize there's only two HDD manufacturers in the consumer market? facepalm.
Koranr
Profile Joined December 2011
United States4 Posts
June 20 2012 18:32 GMT
#22832
Thanks alot for your help guys, i ordered the parts today and will hopefully be putting it together over the weekend.

Thanks alot!!
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 18:45:33
June 20 2012 18:44 GMT
#22833
On June 21 2012 02:59 Shauni wrote:
stop recommending seagate and wd hard drives. If you buy them, they obviously believe their practice is fine.


Is there something other than the usual business shenanigans I should know about? Unless they're buying some mineral from Charles Taylor II...
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Cutebone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States62 Posts
June 20 2012 19:10 GMT
#22834
Hi TL tech gurus,

I'm going to build a pc for my girlfriend:



What is your budget?

$300-$500 USD

What is your resolution?
I think her current monitor is 1280x1064...but I'll probably get her a ~$150 1920x1080


What are you using it for?

1. Watching netflix, browsing the web.
2. Playing Dota2, team fortress, other medium graphically demanding games
3. Light photoshop work, maybe some light video editing


What is your upgrade cycle?

A few years

When do you plan on building it?

ASAP

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Amazon (I have Prime and a rewards credit card)


Thank you for all your help.
GLHF
Icefist
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5 Posts
June 20 2012 19:42 GMT
#22835
Thanks for all the help so far guys. I plan on ordering everything tonight, but I have 2 more questions before I do.

1. Are all of these things compatible? I checked and didn't see anything that raised a flag, but I'm new to this and don't want to make a mistake.

CPU - Intel i5 3450
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=70543

Mobo and RAM - ASRock B75M and CORSAIR Vengeance 2X4GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.968798

HDD - Seagate Barracuda 500GB
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&vpn=ST500DM002&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1027

GPU - HIS IceQ Radeon HD 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161405

PSU - Antec Neo Eco 450C
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1027

DVD burner - Samsung
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

2. I haven't decided which case to get between these two. I would rather get the first due to the lower price, but after looking at reviews, the size of it worries me. With a non-modular power supply, will the size of the case make cable cluttering a problem? I don't think that this would be an issue with the second case, but I would prefer not to spend the extra money if the first case causes no issues.

Bitfenix Outlaw
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix

Silverstone SST-PS07B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186

Thanks in advance!
kyle111
Profile Joined May 2012
2 Posts
June 20 2012 19:44 GMT
#22836
hello all no one replied to my last post i have never built a computer before i need help
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[QUOTE]On June 05 2012 05:10 kyle111 wrote:
What is your budget?
2000

What is your resolution?
1920x1080 i need a monitor

What are you using it for?

gaming livestreaming pc+console also recording gameplay and making video clips


What is your upgrade cycle?
2-4 years

When do you plan on building it?

this week

Do you plan on overclocking?
yes

Do you need an Operating System?
yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no

Where are you buying your parts from?
ncix.ca

if it matters i will be doing in store pick up no credit card



2600k@299.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

msi gd65@$154.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=047778

CC-9011015-WW @$119.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112&item_id=044717

02G-P4-2670-KR @414.70
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD2721&vpn=02G-P4-2670-KR&manufacture=Others

RR-B10-212P-G1 @$23.10
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/218427/RR-B10-212P-G1/COOLERMASTER/

WD10EALX @ 89.99
http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C06KF4K/

DRW-24B1ST Bulk @ 19.99
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=49597&vpn=DRW-24B1ST Bulk&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1027

996770 @ 39.99
http://www.memoryhouse.com/products/7481/996770/Mushkin Enhanced/

GFC-02050 @ 92.19
http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C06LYQD/

i want to price match and buy everything at ncix.ca as i will be doing in store pick up would there be a problem with any of this?
mobo if accepted seems like a good deal? was also looking at asus z77 lk @155 and le @165 but i do not know what makes a motherboard good or what i need

psu not sure on how much is needed or what unit is good

would the 550d be fine for gaming 10+ hours?

hdd i was thinking two 1tb drives but i am not really sure on how much is needed for recording game play and things that go with video editing

if anyone can answer will these products work together and allow me to record and stream console game play?

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game broadcaster hd
http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=565
hdmi splitter
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=40720&promoid=1387
hdmi cable
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=41884&vpn=HDMI-MM-6-P&manufacture=Ion Cables&promoid=1390
hdmi to dvi cable
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=26972&promoid=1027
u2312hm
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors_Flat_Panel_Widescreen/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-2807
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 20 2012 19:45 GMT
#22837
Neither case has issues. If you're worried about cables being everywhere, get a pack of zip ties and tie away the mess.
Icefist
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5 Posts
June 20 2012 19:54 GMT
#22838
On June 21 2012 04:45 Womwomwom wrote:
Neither case has issues. If you're worried about cables being everywhere, get a pack of zip ties and tie away the mess.


Thanks! I will go with the Outlaw then, since it will save me a bit of money.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:58:10
June 20 2012 19:56 GMT
#22839
I think you need to get an active HDMI splitter. Using a passive splitter will probably cause problems. AFAIK, it may result in video quality loss and/or sound not working on one side of the split.

It also looks like that splitter is limited. It says:

Supports a maximum resolution of 1280 x 1024
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 20:36:11
June 20 2012 20:33 GMT
#22840
On June 21 2012 01:46 MisterFred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 04:54 Tryxtira wrote:
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Hi! I would love to get a list of stuff as well as questions about the computer I'm going to buy. I'm going to use the template in the OP. Please ask questions and question my thoughts. I built my old computer and used to be up-to-date back then. I've been stuck with laptops since then and is clueless when it comes to stationary computers.

Thank you!

What is your budget?

Between 1500 and 2000 dollars, 1200-1600 euros, and for my fellow swedes, 10000-14000 SEK.
I'm aiming for something in the middle of those numbers but to be honest, the cheaper the better. The most value out of the money between those numbers is maybe the best way to put it.

What is your resolution?

Dont know, will update asap!

What are you using it for?

Gaming and obvious stuff like writing papers. I would love to be able to play the newest games on as high graphics as possible, but my main game is DOTA2 which obviously isn't as demanding. Being able to stream Dota2 might also be interesting but is not something I've thought about since my current computer couldn't handle it.

What is your upgrade cycle?

I would love to be one of those guys who continuesly upgrades his computer in a smart way. Maybe I will after the huge research I will put down for this buy. However, so far in my life, I've only bought complete new PCs once every 3 years or so.

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as possible. I would buy the parts tomorrow if I was happy with them.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Maybe, but don't put any extra coolingstuff in it. I might overclock it, but as you can tell, I'm not too much into hardware.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Yes, it would be nifty to in the future have an easy upgrade of the computer by just putting in an extra graphic card.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Whereever it's cheapest. Example of swedish sites is "komplett.se", "inet.se", "webhallen.se". But put it together from anywhere and I'll look for whereever I can find that part the cheapest myself!


Thanks alot guys!
<3


+ Show Spoiler +
Komplett was easier to navigate, so I just looked there.

CPU - this really depends on whether you want the option to overclock in the future or not and if you want to spend money on streaming. An i7 is better for streaming (though an i5 should stream DOTA2 fine unless you want super-duper high quality), but not better for gaming or casual use and probably not worth the money. The options:
i5-3450 (only moderate interest in streaming, no desire to overclock later - 1648 SEK)
i5-3570k (moderate interest in streaming, potential to overclock later - recommended - 1985 SEK)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
i7-3770 (very high interest in streaming, no desire to overclock later - 2629 SEK)
i7-3770k (very high interest in streaming, potential to overclock later - 2875 SEK)

Motherboard: MSI z77-g43 (948)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url

CPU Cooler: Intel Stock Heatsink that comes with the processor, though I recommend the HR-02 Macho if you decide to overclock later or are super into quiet computing.

GPU: EVGA 670 (3699)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=751465&usg=ALkJrhinru_g7E2IDymQjgzNgubVIQnGbQ
This is the "newest games on as high graphics as possible" part. If your monitor's resolution is under 1920x1080, this will be massive overkill regardless of the game, but will be ready to go for future monitor upgrades.

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz (475)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=744179&usg=ALkJrhjWIJ_BEsFTJ5Fc_AMNIC5SyRDv4w

Case: Fractal Design R3 (899)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=648535&usg=ALkJrhgphzC452jFcjHDzM1NE2uxxvKzHg
Case is largely a matter of aesthetic practice. This is pretty good case, and built to be relatively quiet. Comes in a few other colors.

HDD: Caviar Blue 500gb (616)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=620189&usg=ALkJrhic1y4bd9dgbdrp8-qSf7kI-BBcCA
If you want more storage, it's not so expensive. You can get 2TB for about 1000-1100 SEK for instance.

SSD: Crucial m4 128gb (995)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=630675&usg=ALkJrhg82kaxSNHMdxXxcH_hQATusLQy-A
Anything you fit on the SSD will load zoom-zoom fast. There are other good models, like the Samsung 830 for about 100 SEK more, but Crucial is both cheaper and reliable.

DVD-burner (195)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=645800&usg=ALkJrhhj3fpUCRwTCDEG3FPYVGptfxjN_g

PSU: XFX Core 550w (545)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
The 450w version would be enough, but this is 10 SEK more and comes with 2 graphics card adapters, so you won't have to use an adapter for cards that take 2 power inputs.

OS: Windows Home Premium 64-bit OEM. (885)
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.se%2Fk%2Fk.aspx&act=url
The 'OEM' part means it's a non-transferrable license should you get a new computer. The non-OEM version just makes it legal to use the same copy for your next computer, though it's only a little under double the price.

Total: ~11242 SEK, not including shipping and I dunno on taxes. As for modifying the build... there's not really any great way to buy better, more expensive, components unless you want to plan on doubling graphics cards latter (not recommended for single-screen gaming), want to get an i7, want a bigger HDD, or want to add the HR-02 Macho for overclocking. Spend any additional monies on peripherals, saving for a kick-ass monitor, or good games, in my opinion.

There are several options for reducing the cost, including dropping the SSD, going with a processor/mobo that isn't the best but still pretty darn good for games (though not streaming) - meaning an i3 cpu/h61 mobo, or getting a lesser graphics card. Something like a 6870 would still max games like DOTA 2 and allow medium-high graphics for other games, and it would be a few thousand SEK less.

But the above is what I'd go with, given what you told me in the questions.


First! Thanks a lot for your answer! I have a few questions though.

In the tests I've been looking at (tomshardware/sweclockers) the Radeon HD 7950 actually beats the GTX 570 with quite a bit. Was looking at the MSI Twin Frozr III version. That's 400 more and supposedly better, isn't that a worth upgrade?

About the motherboards, from what I've read, the difference between z77 and z68 isn't that big, what are the reasons for going for the z77? Also, does the card you've linked actually have support for x8/x8 ? The one I had picked out is the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3. Is that a decent choice as well?

Thanks you again!
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