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On June 13 2012 22:24 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:26 findingthelimit wrote:
hey everyone,
so i've been reading much about computer hardware lately, and I am relatively knowledgeable about types of GPU, RAM, CPUs and coolers, such that when i build a computer in the near future I can pick my own components.
However, I have absolutely no idea what different types of motherboards mean, and I cannot name a difference between a zXX/pXX motherboard. I know some have different ports, but aside from that, what should i look at when i pick a motherboard? I heard that some are better at overclocking than others, can anyone elaborate on that?
Or, point me in the right direction regarding where I should look for the right answer? Wiki is not as helpful as I hope it would be in this aspect.
Thanks in advance! "Better" for overclocking is usually pretty relative, and frequently doesn't mean much unless one of them truly sucks or you want to go for fairly high OCs, at least with current Intel offerings. Most mobo improvements for OC are quality of life improvements, like a good BIOS, onboard CMOS reset, OC recovery, onboard power/reset switches, and attached speaker/POST LEDs. They're things that make it easier to OC at all. In most cases, the differences between motherboards for a normal OC are going to be close enough that you should go by warranty and features needed. Pick for the socket, then just get the chipset that comes with the features you actually plan to use, from a reliable brand. Unless you're planning to go high or extreme OC, at which point a few other things can come into play.
Pretty much this.
When I buy a motherboard, I just narrow them like this:
Socket -> Chipset (if the only thing you care about is overclocking, just pick a chipset that allows overclocking; most of the other features aren't really that important; if they were, you probably wouldn't be asking this question) -> Connectability (do you need 2 or 3 PCIs, 4 or 10 USBs, 2 or 8 SATAs, etc.) -> Brand / Cost
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Hello,
I'm trying to build my first PC. It's mainly going to be used for gaming, programming and some sound recording and mixing.
I have already chosen most of the parts and would like to know if my choices are reasonable.
CPU: Intel i5 3570K
Motherboard: ASRock S1155 Z77 PRO3
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B)
GPU: MSI NVIDIA GF 560GTX-Ti HAWK (N560GTX-Ti HAWK)
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 3.5'' 1TB, SATA III, 7200RPM, 32MB cache (WD10EALX)
I also cannot decide on PSU because I have no idea what's needed but currently I'm looking at these:
Corsair GS 500W
Seasonic S12II-520 520W
Will I be ok with the Corsair one if I'm going to overclock just a little bit or should I go with the more expensive Seasonic (x1.3 more expensive where I live)? Also noise is a little bit of concern because I'm going to record close to the PC.
And should I get a mid tower or it's possible to fit these parts in a smaller case?
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On June 14 2012 15:49 Tacka9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello,
I'm trying to build my first PC. It's mainly going to be used for gaming, programming and some sound recording and mixing.
I have already chosen most of the parts and would like to know if my choices are reasonable.
CPU: Intel i5 3570K
Motherboard: ASRock S1155 Z77 PRO3
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B)
GPU: MSI NVIDIA GF 560GTX-Ti HAWK (N560GTX-Ti HAWK)
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 3.5'' 1TB, SATA III, 7200RPM, 32MB cache (WD10EALX)
I also cannot decide on PSU because I have no idea what's needed but currently I'm looking at these:
Corsair GS 500W
Seasonic S12II-520 520W
Will I be ok with the Corsair one if I'm going to overclock just a little bit or should I go with the more expensive Seasonic (x1.3 more expensive where I live)? Also noise is a little bit of concern because I'm going to record close to the PC.
And should I get a mid tower or it's possible to fit these parts in a smaller case?
The Corsair one will work, however it is not ideal. You would need a ATX Mid Tower case unless the PRO3 motherboard is microATX (ASRock makes an ATX and mATX version of the Z77 PRO3). Make sure your Corsair Vengeance RAM is 1.5v as I know a few models of that RAM is 1.65v. The HDD you picked out is a good one. Depending on monitor's resolution and what your willing to spend a HD7850 is overall a better GPU than the 560Ti (lower energy usage under load, more performance). However that comes at a slightly higher cost.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549
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On June 14 2012 16:13 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 15:49 Tacka9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello,
I'm trying to build my first PC. It's mainly going to be used for gaming, programming and some sound recording and mixing.
I have already chosen most of the parts and would like to know if my choices are reasonable.
CPU: Intel i5 3570K
Motherboard: ASRock S1155 Z77 PRO3
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B)
GPU: MSI NVIDIA GF 560GTX-Ti HAWK (N560GTX-Ti HAWK)
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 3.5'' 1TB, SATA III, 7200RPM, 32MB cache (WD10EALX)
I also cannot decide on PSU because I have no idea what's needed but currently I'm looking at these:
Corsair GS 500W
Seasonic S12II-520 520W
Will I be ok with the Corsair one if I'm going to overclock just a little bit or should I go with the more expensive Seasonic (x1.3 more expensive where I live)? Also noise is a little bit of concern because I'm going to record close to the PC.
And should I get a mid tower or it's possible to fit these parts in a smaller case?
The Corsair one will work, however it is not ideal. You would need a ATX Mid Tower case unless the PRO3 motherboard is microATX (ASRock makes an ATX and mATX version of the Z77 PRO3). Make sure your Corsair Vengeance RAM is 1.5v as I know a few models of that RAM is 1.65v. The HDD you picked out is a good one. Depending on monitor's resolution and what your willing to spend a HD7850 is overall a better GPU than the 560Ti (lower energy usage under load, more performance). However that comes at a slightly higher cost. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549
Thank you for your reply!
I think i will get MSI's HD7850 as it is not that much more expensive than the 560Ti I've been looking at.
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unamed 600w PSU
i7-3820 on H67 chipset? seems you just got badly trolled
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Nope building your own is always a better deal. i7-3820 is a terrible processor as it has all of the disadvantages of LGA 2011 while having virtually no benefit over i7-2600K. I didn't include i7-3770K because i7-3770K clocks higher, is more powerful and uses less energy than Sandy Bridge-E.
You could have done A LOT worse so don't sweat the small stuff. All in All, I couldn't build a computer with the EXACT parts for much less than that so it's not that bad.
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On June 14 2012 18:46 Rachnar wrote:
unamed 600w PSU
i7-3820 on H67 chipset? seems you just got badly trolled
Where does it say H67? The only LGA 2011 socket is X79..
EDIT: NVM found it.. SUCKS TO BE HIM..I'm hoping its a typo...
EDIT2: There are alot of typo's and misadvertising...A funny one I found is it says it has a beats audio card. But then it says it has integrated audio. Also advertising USB3.0 as super speed is laughable. Also if they are a professional company why can't they use the ™ sign instead of (tm)?
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Anyhow, my best guess is you should try to get your money back
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Good thing, I can return if description isn't accurate. Seller feedback seems pretty good. We'll see if its shit.
Also noticed the mobo listed is 1155 LOL
BTW itzsnypah I checked newegg to see if I could build it myself because you are right DIY is cheaper, but it seemed more expensive. Where do you shop?
Oh and thx for the quick response.
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so i changed my mind and I wont be building my computer till 3 months later, when i'm back to the states-
Does anyone know whether there will be any new releases, or is my build good?
If anyone could tell me what I could do to save money on my build, I would really appreciate it!
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB:
$60
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6.0 HDD:
$100
ASRock P67 Extreme LGA1155:
$170
Samsung 830 128GB SSD:
$220
Intel Core i5-3570K
$235
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
$35
ASUS GTX560Ti-448 1280MB
$280
Rosewill CAPSTONE 450w GOLD:
$80
Cooler Master HAF 912:
$70
I feel like my motherboard is too expensive. Anyone got any recommendations? I won't be overclocking too much.
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On June 14 2012 19:14 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
Good thing, I can return if description isn't accurate. Seller feedback seems pretty good. We'll see if its shit.
Also noticed the mobo listed is 1155 LOL
BTW itzsnypah I checked newegg to see if I could build it myself because you are right DIY is cheaper, but it seemed more expensive. Where do you shop?
Oh and thx for the quick response.
Newegg
Amazon
NCIX US
B&H Photo Video (often good prices on various things, like monitors & SSD's, and free shipping)
You can use http://pcpartpicker.com/ but it doesn't always find the best deals and doesn't find bundle deals.
DYI almost always seems more expensive to those who don't follow computer hardware. There are multiple reasons; big ones include not knowing what components are good price/performance, not understanding why things like i7's are utterly useless for them and for most people, etc.
I don't blame people at all though. It's not just the marketing that sways them, it's otherwise somewhat reputable sources.
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On June 14 2012 22:32 findingthelimit wrote:
so i changed my mind and I wont be building my computer till 3 months later, when i'm back to the states-
Does anyone know whether there will be any new releases, or is my build good?
If anyone could tell me what I could do to save money on my build, I would really appreciate it!
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB:
$60
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6.0 HDD:
$100
ASRock P67 Extreme LGA1155:
$170
Samsung 830 128GB SSD:
$220
Intel Core i5-3570K
$235
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
$35
ASUS GTX560Ti-448 1280MB
$280
Rosewill CAPSTONE 450w GOLD:
$80
Cooler Master HAF 912:
$70
I feel like my motherboard is too expensive. Anyone got any recommendations? I won't be overclocking too much.
Build is not optimal. Cheaper RAM, Cheaper HDD, Z77 Mobo (to go with your ivybridge cpu) and an HD 7850. I was able to get a z77 mobo and 3570k for $250 total at microcenter. so keep searching.
Edit: That's a way over priced SSD too.
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On June 15 2012 00:02 DONTPANIC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 22:32 findingthelimit wrote:
so i changed my mind and I wont be building my computer till 3 months later, when i'm back to the states-
Does anyone know whether there will be any new releases, or is my build good?
If anyone could tell me what I could do to save money on my build, I would really appreciate it!
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB:
$60
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 7200rpm SATA 6.0 HDD:
$100
ASRock P67 Extreme LGA1155:
$170
Samsung 830 128GB SSD:
$220
Intel Core i5-3570K
$235
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
$35
ASUS GTX560Ti-448 1280MB
$280
Rosewill CAPSTONE 450w GOLD:
$80
Cooler Master HAF 912:
$70
I feel like my motherboard is too expensive. Anyone got any recommendations? I won't be overclocking too much. Build is not optimal. Cheaper RAM, Cheaper HDD, Z77 Mobo (to go with your ivybridge cpu) and an HD 7850. I was able to get a z77 mobo and 3570k for $250 total at microcenter. so keep searching. Edit: That's a way over priced SSD too.
This, they have some really sick combo deals for mobos/cpus. Also, I've noticed Microcenter has, on average, $10-20 cheaper RAM than Newegg and most online sites, so if they're is a Microcenter anywhere near you I would suggest taking a trip there. You should definetely be able to save a good $50-100 on the SSD depending on sales. And I second the 7850, its actually a little bit less than the 560-448 core and the performance enhancement is pretty good. If you do buy the 560 Ti, I would suggest getting a 500w PSU as 450W is going to be maxed out pretty much all the time.
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On June 15 2012 01:10 Forester wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
This, they have some really sick combo deals for mobos/cpus. Also, I've noticed Microcenter has, on average, $10-20 cheaper RAM than Newegg and most online sites, so if they're is a Microcenter anywhere near you I would suggest taking a trip there. You should definetely be able to save a good $50-100 on the SSD depending on sales. And I second the 7850, its actually a little bit less than the 560-448 core and the performance enhancement is pretty good. If you do buy the 560 Ti, I would suggest getting a 500w PSU as 450W is going to be maxed out pretty much all the time.
Correct on everything except the PSU part. 560ti's draw about 170W and in total that system is not going to pass 300W running a typical gaming load - and that's overclocked.
Even if it did, Capstone is really good and can deliver more than the labeled 450W, which is there just so they can get it 80+ Gold certified.
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I do not intend on doing any OC at all.
Any suggestion is really appriciated.
The thought was to make a good gaming computer that is silent, therefore the cpu cooler.
Plan to go with windows 7 64-bit
Heres the build: (the money is taken by the place in sweden Ill buy it from)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3, Socket-1155 101euro
CPU: Intel® Core i5-3550 208euro
GPU: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 265euro
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 58euro
HDD: Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB 76euro
SSD: OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 120GB 110euro
PSU: My old one, 500w
Case: Antec P280 Miditower Black 123euro
Extra: (cpu cooler) Cooler Master GeminII SF524 53euro
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On June 15 2012 01:36 WishLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I do not intend on doing any OC at all.
Any suggestion is really appriciated.
The thought was to make a good gaming computer that is silent, therefore the cpu cooler.
Plan to go with windows 7 64-bit
Heres the build: (the money is taken by the place in sweden Ill buy it from)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3, Socket-1155 101euro
CPU: Intel® Core i5-3550 208euro
GPU: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 265euro
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 58euro
HDD: Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB 76euro
SSD: OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 120GB 110euro
PSU: My old one, 500w
Case: Antec P280 Miditower Black 123euro
Extra: (cpu cooler) Cooler Master GeminII SF524 53euro
I think some other components may be noiser than the default socket 1155 cooler for an i5-3550. Keep in mind that its power draw is quite modest, and the heatsink is (I think) the same model used for the i7s with hyperthreading, that you're not using the integrated graphics (so that part is not drawing power, and that you're probably not going to have the CPU on full load much. Anyway, even if you do go for aftermarket cooling there, there are better options than a GeminII for that price, probably.
You want a H77, Z75, or Z77 motherboard (or B75, Q77, etc.)—and you could probably get one cheaper than 101 euros anyway. Most 6 series chipset motherboards probably need a BIOS update to support Ivy Bridge processors.
Check the GPU models carefully for reviews to find a quieter one. I'm not sure which MSI that is, or how they do for HD 7850s (I think there are better options for noise).
Corsair Vengeance tends to be overpriced, and 58 euros seems much too high.
Although some general SandForce firmware issues are fixed, I'd still rather get something else like Samsung 830, Crucial M4, Intel 520 or 330, etc. They shouldn't be too much more expensive. By the way, Agility 3 is among the worst this generation in real-world performance, but that's not really the issue.
Which model is the old 500W power supply?
P280 seems to not be really that quiet, particularly from above, because of the top exhaust and weakness in that area. There might be a better alternative, though it should be better than most.
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I'm trying to build a PC mainly to run SC2 at high settings while playing/spectating and while streaming.
Thanks in advance.
- What is your budget?
$1000 although cheaper is better obviously if there is no gained performance by spending up to $1000.
- What is your resolution?
1680x1050
- What are you using it for?
Starcraft 2 at high settings. Streaming while playing. Streaming while spectating.
- What is your upgrade cycle?
4 years.
- When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, before july ends.
- Do you plan on overclocking?
Generally no, but if there is a significant improvement or if it could somehow make it cheaper, than yes.
- Do you need an Operating System?
Nope
- Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Same answer as overclocking, if it can improve performance significantly without a dent in the price or without going over $1000 then yes maybe.
- Where are you buying your parts from?
Mostly newegg, but I'm open to other websites if its something better/cheaper.
I already own: Mic, Mouse, Monitor, Case, Keyboard, 4gb of DDR3 of 1333mhz, not sure if I should upgrade that. its this memory btw: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
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TX v2 650W have enough power for this GPU. I had 3x 5830 OC with Athlon x2 on it. Worked fine for few months 24/7.
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