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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On March 21 2009 06:00 FrozenArbiter wrote: .. How much easier a colour to spot can you find than red? Red contrasts with nearly every tile-set for us fortunate enough not to be colour blind -.,- Unless you're red, tileset is Ashworld and you're being nuked  | ||
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SoulMarine
United States586 Posts
While I hate having people around like "oh well youre blind sorry" this is pretty lame.. Have the dot flash different colors, possibly red/blue, orange/purp etc. | ||
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 21 2009 08:59 FrozenArbiter wrote: The huge circle is for the player using the nuke Anyway, it would be simple enough to just set it to purple for everyone, since red-green is BY FAR the most common form of colour blindness. Did not know that.. haha. I just assumed they changed it for some reason. | ||
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ocoini
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 21 2009 08:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: God this thread tilts me so hard, why is ANYONE opposed to a change that brings no negative side-effects to anyone :[ People are ignorant. They can't possibly imagine what it would be like in the other guys shoes. "tilts me so hard" ???? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 21 2009 11:49 Archerofaiur wrote: People are ignorant. They can't possibly imagine what it would be like in the other guys shoes. "tilts me so hard" ???? Lets give people the benefit of the doubt here and have them thinking that any radical color change or making the dot bigger might be an inadvertent nerf to nukes. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 21 2009 11:49 Archerofaiur wrote: People are ignorant. They can't possibly imagine what it would be like in the other guys shoes. "tilts me so hard" ???? Your guess is as good as mine O_O I'm sure there would be one or two possible negative side-effects though, probably very small like: "If you can change the colour of the nuke dot, then all you have to do is make it the opposite colour of the terrain background and no on will ever manage to get a nuke off," but they are still side-effects. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On March 21 2009 11:49 Archerofaiur wrote: People are ignorant. They can't possibly imagine what it would be like in the other guys shoes. "tilts me so hard" ???? Tilt is a poker term for a state of mental confusion or frustration in which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy, usually resulting in the player becoming over-aggressive. This term is closely associated with steam and some consider the terms equivalent, but 'steam' typically carries more anger and intensity.[1] ....... The most likely origin of the word "tilt" is as a reference to tilting a pinball machine. The frustration from seeing the ball follow a path towards the gap between the flippers can lead to the player physically tilting the machine (in an attempt to guide the ball towards the flippers). However, in doing so, some games will flash the word "TILT" and freeze the flippers, causing the ball to be lost for certain. The metaphor here being over-aggression due to frustration leads to severely detrimental gameplay. Wikipedia =] It's one of the most fitting words I think, as I feel about the same kind of frustration when the poker gods ( ) are pissing me in the face as when reading some of these posts.I guess I could just say "annoys me so bad" but I like tilt better.. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On March 21 2009 12:11 Grobyc wrote: "If you can change the colour of the nuke dot, then all you have to do is make it the opposite colour of the terrain background and no on will ever manage to get a nuke off," but they are still side-effects. Searching for a tiny blue dot is just about as hard as searching for a tiny red dot. One of thegreat things about starcraft is that there are all of these "mini-games" inside. Find the dot is one of them but no player should be excluded if a UI preference can fix this. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2009 06:00 FrozenArbiter wrote: .. How much easier a colour to spot can you find than red? Red contrasts with nearly every tile-set for us fortunate enough not to be colour blind -.,- if its optional, whats the problem? make an optional colorblind option which changes the nuke dot and the coloring of shift+tab plus whatever else might be needed | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On March 21 2009 08:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: If you want numbers on the prevalence of color blindness, google. Wikipedia says 7-10% of men in the US have the type of red-green color blindness the OP described. Your 3 points are complete nonsense, it's irrelevant how many color blind people use mac/pc. It's irrelevant how many people that have macs play games. It's irrelevant how many colour blind people don't play games/don't own a computer. It's present in 10% of the male population in general, and therefore it's bound to be about the same % in the gamer population. Blizzard already makes all their games Mac compatible, a process which is much harder than allowing for a colour change of the god damned nuke-dot. His argument was completely valid. Oh and the reason this is different from catering to one armed individuals is that this literally has 0 impact on anyone not color-blind. It CHANGES NOTHING for you, it changes NOTHING for me. It simply alleviates some frustration for about 10% of the gamers. God this thread tilts me so hard, why is ANYONE opposed to a change that brings no negative side-effects to anyone :[ You misunderstood my post. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On March 21 2009 12:57 fusionsdf wrote: if its optional, whats the problem? make an optional colorblind option which changes the nuke dot and the coloring of shift+tab plus whatever else might be needed The post I was responding to was saying colour blind people might get an unfair advantage if they can change the colour. My point was that the non-colour blind already have the most contrasting colour you can find - red. Then clarify, I've read your post 3 or 4 times and it's not getting any clearer -_- | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7691 Posts
I am sorry but if the only grip a colorblind person has with broodwar is a nuke dot and blizzard could make it another color, then DO IT. I would be pissed if my nuke not was no longer red because red stands out so well, but if some guy can't see it and wants purple or blue or anything not- white-yellow-orange (which would appear more dramatically then red) why would blizzard not actually do it. If we were talking about important gameplay features of the game like giving people with bad cordinatation or terrible multi-tasking MBS and auto-mine because it evens the field I would understand CM's terrible opinion but as it stands it a nuke dot which I've seen ingame 4 times in actual ladder play since 2003 (twice in the same game). Not being able to see that dot would have cost me 2 of those games (twice in the same game and 1 was a 2 base tvz nuke rush lawl) | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On March 21 2009 09:05 ramen247 wrote: wtf... blizzard made the freaking nuke "dot" the size of a cammond center in sc2... no worries... That's only for the person who cast it | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
I'm very mad at you all now. Color blind people can be just as fast, just as clever to play this game, and just as competent as a gamer. And things like color-blindness should not stop them from becoming competitive gamers because the core skill set that makes a good sc player has NOTHING to do with the ability to see color. Telling a color blind person to stop playing the game is like telling a blind person to stop lifting weights because "LOL u can't even see the weight" (Which is some outrageous retarded argument, just like the ones you guys are making) | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
List all the thing that makes a good bw player: logic planning multitask speed accuracy drive ... Is "ability to see color" anywhere in that list? NO why it is not in the list? Because bw is not some imaginative "pick a color" game where the player need to differentiate different shades of colors. So why should we assist color blind people to see better in bw? Because color blind people can have all the good qualities listed that makes a good bw player, but still perform badly because he could not see color. Since broodwar is NOT a game designed to test the ability to see color, letting the color blind person see the color better does NOT gives him any advantage because it does NOT increase his bw abilities as listed above. However, by making him see better he is able to show us his competency at bw that he would otherwise unable to show. So why should we NOT assist color blind people to see better in "pick a color"? Because "pick a color" is designed to test the player's ability to see a particular color, therefore letting the color blind person to see the color better would be giving him an advantage in the skill set required to be a good "pick a color" gamer, nullifying the hardworks of non-color-blind person who trains hard to see color better. Is color blind that big of a deal to make a change? Yes, because as someone pointed out, 7-10% of males are color blind, and there are plenty male gamers that are also color blind, as there are no reason not to be a gamer if you are color blind. I think I've made my point | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: You're a small minority Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too. Last I checked 1 in 10 men have some degree of color blindness. So no, we're not that small of a minority. I think changing the dot to blue, for example, would be very helpful. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
some of you are fucking assholes. I can't come up with an insult right now to express how stupid and inconsiderate some of you are. For example: Charlie Murphy... what were you thinking honestly? Were you high? | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
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